Brazilian girl refuses to shake general Figueiredo's hand, by Guinaldo Nicolaievsky Brazilian President, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, says Brazilians should enshrine the "heroes" who resisted the military dictatorship in Brazil and not only concentrate on incriminating the "villains" who killed them. Lula is attempting to cool a controversy over punishing torturers from the 21-year dictatorship (1964-1985).

    Contrary to Southern Cone neighbors, Brazil never reviewed a 1979 amnesty bill from the military regime which liberated political prisoners and extended an amnesty to the military and security forces that could have been involved in alleged human rights excesses.

    Two of his cabinet ministers, Justice and Human Rights were considering that the 1979 amnesty should not include "torturers," but the Brazilian president ordered them out of the ongoing debate and recalled it was an issue for the judicial branch to decide.

    Lula further took the military off the hook when he formally admitted the responsibility of the Brazilian state in the destruction of the National Union of Students seat at the beginning of the dictatorship in the early sixties.

    "Whenever we talk of the dead students, of the dead workers, we claim after those who killed them, when we should understand this martyrdom will not end if we don't learn to make our dead heroes, and not victims," said Lula da Silva during an official ceremony in Rio de Janeiro, in southeastern Brazil.

    "Imagine the Sandinistas from Nicaragua moaning about all those killed by dictator Somoza; imagine Fidel Castro spending all his time claiming over those killed by dictator Batista," added the Brazilian president.

    According to Brazilian political analysts, Lula's statements were geared to the military, restless about his two ministers interpretation that the military and policemen involved in human rights violations during the dictatorship should be taken to court.

    "The issue is over. The president has taken a decision," said the Brazilian Navy commander Julio Soares, supported by his counterparts from the Army, Enzo Peri and from the Air Force. Juniti Saito

    Lula strong words apparently have sealed the growing debate which based on the fact that international treaties "do not consider torture a political crime" could have opened the way to have the courts investigate human rights violations under the dictatorship when an estimated 500 Brazilian citizens were "disappeared."

    The military had replied strongly to the review proposal during a seminar held at the Military Club in Rio do Janeiro when they rejected reopening a debate on the 21-year military regime and recalled that several cabinet members including some of the promoters of the initiative, (Human Rights minister), had been members of the guerrilla fighting the military.

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    • AUGUSTUS

      Very serious issues indeed – No disagreement this time (except for one word)
      How could I not agree with the issues you have listed?
      They are very serious indeed… Each and every one of them – as well as educating the under privileged and re-distributing unused farm acreage to the landless destitute citizens… (my sole additions to YOUR list)
      For ONCE I could not possibly object to something you have posted. IÀ¢€™m very surprised!
      Considering that your last remark may contain, for the first time ever, a hint of À¢€œhumanityÀ¢€Â in your character, I can only wish you were capable of refraining from the use of offensive words (e.g. À¢€œfilthy countryÀ¢€Â??? is this acceptable? À¢€“ by the way, I must remind you – À¢€œcountry of BIRTHÀ¢€™)

    • ch.c

      As per Augustus “There are so many more serious issues to be considered right now”
      SUCH AS ?
      Dorothy killing, not so old ?
      Vote buying, not so old ?
      Ambulances scam, not so old ?
      Deaths squads killings of innocent children, every week if not every day ?
      Maluf or ACM ?
      Killings of innocent citizens during the SP and Rio chaos ? Innocents killed admitted publicly by your own officials !
      Killings of Indians ?
      The investigations results of your 2 planes crashes ??????
      The investigations of the “meteor” that made such a big cratger in SP metro construction ?

      You know what Augustus ? your filthy government are also saying like you do : “There are so many more serious issues to be considered right now”

      Hmmmmmm…you said it all !

      😉 😀 😉 😉

      😥

    • AUGUSTUS

      JOAO – many gracious thanks, “Your Grace”…
      Naturally you would not expect that my expression of “thanks” for an act (or promise thereof) would compel me to be brief and direct. (LOL)
      The very fact I referred to you as À¢€œsirÀ¢€Â – implying a great deal of respect and recognition on my part, requires further deliberation – based upon the following text extracted from my favorite site & era: À¢€œRegency EnglandÀ¢€Â (1800-1820), regarding the expected & required formality in use (towards or) among the Peerage:

      – À¢€œThe form of address partly depends on who is addressing him (in reference to the 5th Duke of Devonshire) and in what form, writing or speech. Anyone with the rank of baronet or below would call him Your Grace; while the Duke’s friends, if they are peers, would most likely call him Devonshire, although they might also say, “How are you today, Duke?” and as the conversation continues would address him as “sir”.
      (LOL)

      As for my alleged intensions to presume worthy of the Brazilian presidency, IÀ¢€™m afraid it would never do, since, as already recognized throughout previous entries, I do not have the required credentials À¢€“ even though, at some point, during of my naÀƒ¯ve tender years, I recall claiming, while attending a dinner party in either Leblon or Ipanema (I love this sector of the Wonderful City), the aspiration of running for a seat to represent the Rio de Janeiro State in BrasiliaÀ¢€¦ How silly of me (no need for anyone to point out).

      Finally, I regret to concur with your passing remark regarding the excellent (young) men called dnbaiacu, whom we both have grown to admire. Unfortunately (but from his point of view À¢€œfortunatelyÀ¢€Â), the good À¢€œchapÀ¢€Â is deeply ingrained in his spiritual undertakingsÀ¢€¦

      Cheers

    • ..

      Augustus
      [quote]considering that I studied for many years, during my youth, in Rio de Janeiro (I was even admitted to UFRJ-[/quote]

      What a pity, you did not opt to study there. you could have become the President of UNE and by now a strong candidate for being our next Prez 🙂

      [quote]I was shocked that everyone thought I was from Portugal À¢€“ bearing in mind that my exposure to Portugal was trivial [/quote]

      My congrats to you, you cunning old fox. You passed for a Portuguese in Sampa and probably everyone was impressed with your “Aristocratic” back ground! Unluckily our Minister for “Long term” planning is mistaken for an American, though he is a Carioca too 😉

      [quote]In short… I have no issues with the mother tongue! [/quote]

      I would imagine so, as I have observed since we started exchanging comments, that you do have gift for languages (apart from other “hidden” talents ;-))

      Shall post comments in Portuguese written by our journalists once in a while and we can discuss the issues in English, so that Dnb will be in par too about the alarming situation in the “Southern Cone” (I love this term).

      Talking about Dnb , it appears that he is out to turn you into a very religious person, though his attempts will ultimately prove futile 😉

    • AUGUSTUS

      JOAO – Portuguese language alive & well – not forgotten
      JOAO – Despite the unforgivable errors (much more than in English) which I would surely make if attempting to write anything in the “native language”, considering that I studied for many years, during my youth, in Rio de Janeiro (I was even admitted to UFRJ- 😉 long ago), I would surely not have any issues reading texts written in the Portuguese language – even though, when I was sent to Sao Paulo recently, for a prolonged visit, I was shocked that everyone thought I was from Portugal À¢€“ bearing in mind that my exposure to Portugal was trivial – I visited that country with my parents as a toddler, and for just a few months)
      In short… I have no issues with the mother tongue!

    • João da Silva

      Augustus
      [quote]I stopped myself in timely fashion, and revised my intended (short) statement to read: “You MUST be a DiplomatÀ¢€Â. Yet, I would perfectly understand if you are not in a position or unwilling to confirm my hypothesis…[/quote]

      Unfortunately I am NOT a diplomat, though many people have commented that I “SHOULD have been a diplomat”! As to my “tactically uncompromising positions”, let me assure you that it is a recent trait that I acquired !! ” Read a lot, listen to others and form your own opinion”. Knowledge is power and one can exercise power or abuse it and unfortunately the ones currently in power are doing the latter. I would rather sit in my own corner and play the role of “3 Monkeys” 😉

      Regarding this article, I concur with your views and I am sure nobody is going to listen to us. Remember what I told our friend Dnb ? Create “crises” problems to deviate from the “core” problems. The “two aides” are not going to give up their efforts so soon to “punish the torturers” even if the dead bodies of the “torturers” have to be exhumed. 😀

      I wonder if you are still able to understand written Portuguese after all the years of living outside Brazil. If so, I will be delighted to post some interesting info from time to time.

    • AUGUSTUS

      JOAO’S wisdom & discretion “speak” volumes…
      Esteemed Joao
      I was about to type “you should have been a diplomat”… Hmmm! At this particular moment, I seem to have been hit by a À¢€œstrike of enlightenmentÀ¢€Â

      If want takes into consideration your perfect command of the English language, your general inclination and disposition in acting as a À¢€œguideÀ¢€Â, along with your tactically uncompromising positions À¢€“ which generally avoid any direct commitment of your opinions – I stopped myself in timely fashion, and revised my intended (short) statement to read: “You MUST be a DiplomatÀ¢€Â. Yet, I would perfectly understand if you are not in a position or unwilling to confirm my hypothesis…

    • João da Silva

      Augustus
      [quote]There are so many more serious issues to be considered right now, that I fail to see the benefit of pursuing those who were simply following instructions of a long gone government, which, quite frankly, was acting in accordance with REAL threats which loomed in BrazilÀ¢€™s horizons during the 1960’s…
      [/quote]

      Succinctly put, Sir. There are many who share your opinion. However, I think that the debates initiated by the gentlemen involved were mainly to enhance their political image among our less informed brethren!

    • AUGUSTUS

      Wasteful reflexions…
      There are so many more serious issues to be considered right now, that I fail to see the benefit of pursuing those who were simply following instructions of a long gone government, which, quite frankly, was acting in accordance with REAL threats which loomed in BrazilÀ¢€™s horizons during the 1960’s…

      The Liberal media will never understand what a TRUE authoritarian regime is truly capable, especially one as powerful and full of determination such as the former USSR, which had serious plans for Brazil as the starting point for “entry” in South America.

    • ..

      Brazil’s Lula Silences Aides Pushing for Punishment of Dictatorship Torturers
      I wonder why our “Newsroom” was unwilling to publish the names of those two honorable ministers. 😉

    • forrest allen brown

      ALL LOOK AT THIS
      http://www.poodwaddle.com/worldclock.swf

      this is the clock i go by people should think
      at what point does the earth say too much

    • forrest allen brown

      what is he guilty of !!!!
      ‘A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have..

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