Brazil’s Lula Makes Defense of Democracy Before Chavez

    Lula and Chavez

    Lula and Chavez South American integration is "advancing fast and with our own resources," said Brazilian president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva on Friday, July 18,  during a regional summit in Amazônia with the presidents of Bolivia and Venezuela

    Lula said the process has picked up speed following the creation of the Unasur (Union of South American Nations),which "enabled the reactivation of an ambitious infrastructure project" to which several countries of the region are committed.

    "Less than two months ago in Brasí­lia we signed the treaty creating Unasur, a treaty which has meant overcoming the inertia of resistances which for 200 years of independent life have impeded our unity," underlined the Brazilian president.

    "The reactivation of this infrastructure project which links several countries is evidence that the integration process in South America is advancing fast and with our own resources", said Lula, who during the meeting signed an agreement awarding Bolivia a US$ 230 million credit for the construction of a highway linking the landlocked country with Brazil.

    "With Unasur which is the political-institutional expression of this new regional concept, we can do far more," he added.

    Lula said that the integration process not only means road links but also energy and financial integration, effective cooperation plus social and educational policies and the creation of integrated production chains through joint investments in strategic sectors.

    But the Brazilian president also sent a political message saying that the integration commitment "should be characterized by frank and open dialogue and the permanent search for consensus, always respecting our diversity and the path, democratically chosen, by each of us."

    Lula then added next to Bolivia's Evo Morales and Venezuela's Hugo Chavez whom face serious, sometimes violent, internal dissent that "the overwhelming majority of our peoples long for development, security, democracy and social justice", and "that is why our peoples have nothing to gain with confrontations and clashes, which are ultimately sterile."

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    • AUGUSTUS

      ANOTHER (REPEATED) EXPLANATION TO POLVERIZER
      Polverizer, I fail to see the reason for your (second similar) remark addressed to me.
      Indeed, it does not make much sense for such remarks being addressed to me…. of all people…

      Please note that I WAS BORN IN BRAZIL but have not resided there for many years and currently hold dual citizenship.
      Furthermore, while I agree with Brazil’s significant advance, and shall continue to sincerely hope for the country’s continued progress, advance, and welfare of the population, I do believe you may have gotten a bit out of touch with reality regarding the “major world power” comment. This role IÀ¢€™m afraid is reserved for China… Yet, I do agree that Brazil is becoming a Regional Power…
      Anyhow… the individual you have to watch around this blog generally makes his entries with the designation “ch.c” and he currently lives in Geneva, Switzerland – It’s “ch.c” who deserves to be the target of your “commentsÀ¢€Â, because ch.c sincerely hates Brazil and Brazilians.

    • Polverizer

      Polverizer
      Bollucks! Augustus, you do not have any idea what your saying about Brazil!
      Brazil in 10-15 years will the new upcoming country.
      It will have first world status. No more back yard of the Red White and Blue.

      Brazil first world, US deteriates to 3 world status. All that have put all their eggs in the US eco basket will all rot!
      Brazil filthy rich in natural resources, energy self sufficient will bring shimmers to the great almighty US of A, the ruler of the worlds, Bollocks!

    • AUGUSTUS

      REPLY TO BILL
      BILL, Obviously, I agree with your views wholeheartedly.
      Yet, based on your latest c omments, I may have good news. ch.c is MERCIFULLY NOT from America! He is Swiss, from a boring city called GENEVA 🙂
      Having you here, I’m glad to see peolple from my second country around…
      Cheers

    • Bill

      ch.c,

      You are a shame for America.

    • Bill

      Dear ch.c,

      I think you need a doctor, man. Probably you have some serious mental problem. Definitely you are not normal. At least, try to seem less pathetic.

    • AUGUSTUS

      reply to JOAO
      Joao
      I could not possibly expect to even attempt to prevent ANYONE from engaging into discussions with the unruly Swiss Individual. As far as I am concerned, anyone willing (those sufficiently naÀƒ¯ve) should go ahead and indulge themselves with all of the “delights” which ch-c may have to offer…

      The passage from my “argumentativeÀ¢€Â entry, which you just quoted, represented merely a À¢€œfriendly suggestionÀ¢€Â for visitors belonging exclusively to two groups: Brazilians and U.S. Citizens (since I formally belong to both). Most importantly, there was no intension to influence anyone (not even my fellow citizens), and surely not to the entire population of this Planet. This is particularly more important because I am fully aware of my status of À¢€œrecent arrivalÀ¢€Â to this site)

      In essence, there were two main points, which I attempted to stress during my previous entry:

      1) That I would no longer acknowledge ch-c unsavory remarks (although Joao appears to be determined to bring him up at any opportunity) and

      2) That all visitors should endeavor to abide by the central theme of every section under consideration (unlike what happened during the previous one). At this site, it would be desirable for all visitors to start discussing the issues involved the meeting of Lula and Chavez, along with commentaries about their views and plans, just as I clearly attempt to do at my first essay at the top.

    • João da Silva

      [quote]I would like to STRONGLY suggest to all fellow Brazilian AND fellow American visitors to this website that they consider making a concerted effort to avoid YOU altogether,[/quote]

      I don’t know lad. Our “fellow Brazilians” and your “fellow Americans” may avoid him like a plague. But, I can not guarantee about the Canucks, Ozzies, Chinese, Indians and other nationalities among whom he is very popular to follow your noble suggestion 🙁

    • AUGUSTUS

      INSUFFERABLE ch.c
      ch.c (the Rascal)
      As expected, you have resumed, rather quickly, the customary unruly conduct, by disregarding rules whereby the minimum respect for other is provided, and by refusing to abide to the barest minimum acceptable rules of behavior!

      Furthermore, one should attempt to restrict one’s comments to the main topic at hand, a practice which, I must also admit violating elsewhere, but ONLY and strictly BECAUSE of your nefarious interference (not to mention unspeakable conduct) by successfully manipulating the me, as well as others, away from the main theme being discussed.

      Consequently, effective immediately, in this particular section, I shall not permit that you to attempt deviating the participants’ interest and attention away from this topic, by initiating a verbal guerrilla war against me – ANY further attack from you (here anyway) will be DULY ignored! In fact, I would like to STRONGLY suggest to all fellow Brazilian AND fellow American visitors to this website that they consider making a concerted effort to avoid YOU altogether, recognizing your complete lack of manners, and consider ignoring your LOUD insulting entries altogetherÀ¢€¦

    • João da Silva

      Augustus
      [quote]In fact, very the absence of the customary outright insulting poise is the only reason why I’m currently ingratiating you with a formal response, as I shall absolutely refuse to engage into any further discussion with unruly, uncivilized individuals who are unwilling to observer the bare minimum levels of civil decorum, even when addressing his/her opponents, and, even if such persons happen to reside in Switzerland… In essence, I shall expect that ch.c is considering behaving himself as a À¢€œgentlemanÀ¢€Â going forwardÀ¢€¦ One can only hope.[/quote]

      Sadly, Ch.c is not a signatory of Queensberry rules. 😥

    • ch.c.

      Furthermore….to AUGUSTUS !!!!!
      Funny you r comments “for reasons which would are likely to range from fear to outright jealousy… “

      Why dont you get a litte more educated FIRST.

      You caress your navel while :
      – Brazil exports US$ 1000.- per capita ! My Country Us$ 25’000.-
      – Brazil GDP per capita around Us$ 6000.- ! My country Us$ 63’000.-
      – My country is ranked FIRST for the best ENVIRONMENT.
      – My country is ranked FIRST for the number of patents…IN PER CAPITA !
      – My country has one of the world LOWEST crime rate ! Brazil one of the HIGHEST !!!
      – My country has one of the world best healthcare system and best education. Certainly NOT Brazil !
      – My country is always rated within the first TEN, for the competitivity. Not Brazil…to my knowledge !
      – In my state, Geneva, population 450’000, there are around 200 HEADQUARTERS of International Agencies. NOT IN THE WHOLE OF BRAZIL….to my knowledge ! Why was Geneva chosen and not one of the so great Brazilians cities……I really wonder !!!!
      – Our unemployment rate is below 3 %. Not in Brazil….to my knowledge. Better yet 60 % of Brazilians workers are in the informal economy, working or not…..meaning that your official unemployment rate is MUCH MUCH MUCH ABOVE the 9 % or so.
      – Our inflation rate is the world second LOWEST on a secular basis….. ! Not in Brazil…to my knowledge !!!!!
      These were just to name a few “details”……in a list much longer !!!!!
      – My country, population 7,5 millions, without a good climate, without sea acccess HAS FAR MORE TOURISM REVENUES THAN….
      YOUR Tropical Mud, with 7000 kms of not so prisitine beaches and with a population of 190 millions.

      WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT……OUR JEALOUSY ?????
      YOU are proving that YOU ARE A CLOWN AND A JUNKIE !!!!!

    • ch.c.

      Dear idiot Augustus !!!!!
      Contrary to Lula and his 4000 thieves, I am not an elected or named country official.
      This allow me to have a free speech.
      Why dont you re-read the thousands of harsh critics Bin the Crook has made toward the developed nations ?

      And for the second time, why dont you ask other South Americans to whom they would give the medal of the most HATRED South Americans ?
      You would be surprised….dumbass !
      Just re-read my previous comments.
      And Venezuelians, Russians, Chineses or Indians are charming and nice people….. !!!!!
      You should travel more…..Augustus.
      Ohhhhhhhh…..Augustus…..wether you like it or not….for the 4th time……Embraer had NOT US$ 20 billion in the first semester of 2008. The US$ 20 billion is the BACKLOG….not the revenues !!!
      Why dont you agree once and for all ????
      you may as well check by looking at Embraer internet site….if you can do that !!!!

      And to refresh YOUR memory, YOU were the one who started attacking me by treating me as Coward, Venezuelian or coming from a third country……. !!!!
      Typically a Brazilian attitude. YOU have the rights that others DONT have !!!!
      As Dumbass as YOU…AUGUSTUS…..are only millions of others Brazilians.

    • AUGUSTUS

      SURPRISED BY CERTAIN ATTEMPT TOWARD “CIVILITY” BY CH.C
      CH.C
      For an individual who appears to so much enjoy talking about the À¢€œarroganceÀ¢€Â of third parties, it’s interesting that such À¢€œalleged criticÀ¢€Â remains unable to recognize the same arrogance within himself. Yet, one must provide credit to where credit is due, and, therefore, I must recognize that this time around, in the very least, the so-called À¢€œch-cÀ¢€Â has somehow managed, in the very least, to preclude from the engaging the usually unacceptable methodology of utilizing outright nefarious insults, while attacking to others… In fact, very the absence of the customary outright insulting poise is the only reason why I’m currently ingratiating you with a formal response, as I shall absolutely refuse to engage into any further discussion with unruly, uncivilized individuals who are unwilling to observer the bare minimum levels of civil decorum, even when addressing his/her opponents, and, even if such persons happen to reside in Switzerland… In essence, I shall expect that ch.c is considering behaving himself as a À¢€œgentlemanÀ¢€Â going forwardÀ¢€¦ One can only hope.

      In light of recent exchanges, the unlikelihood that we shall ever be in a position to see “eye to eye” in any topic is quite evident! In fact, I was utterly shocked at the beginning of your entry!

      As to the topic at hand, where you loudly display your extreme dislike of Brazil or Brazilians, I would simply like to bring to your attention a rather mundane analogyÀ¢€¦
      In the event Venezuelans, Brazilians, Chinese and Indian citizens were indeed to be currently disliked in the 21st Century, I suppose such À¢€œdislikeÀ¢€Â to be somewhat equivalent to the underlying reason(s) for the dislike applicable to the Americans and Russians during the 20th Century, to British subjects in the 19th Century, as well as to representatives of the French Empire in the 18th Century. In essence, any type of prominence (or attempt / perception thereof) will inevitably induce the resentment of others, particularly neighbors, for reasons which would are likely to range from fear to outright jealousy…

      Finally, in connection with my À¢€œdreamsÀ¢€Â (as you concluded your essay), I can only think of one right now… The dream that you would leave ME alone going forward, and start attacking Brazil (or any other party you might wish) on your own. 8)

    • ch.c.

      “those who may not be entirely familiarized with the dynamics of the area, with its historical legacy, and some of the recent issues and events which have stained the rosy pictures of cooperation, fri
      So right !Hmmmm
      Just look at the inflation rate in Venezuela and Argentina !!!!! Around 32 %, RESPECTIVELY 23 % !!!!!

      And why doesnt this junkie….Augustus…..look closer to what has NOT been done to Uruguay and Paraguay…both founders of the Mercosur. The only things delivered have been PROMISES AFTER PROMISES….but undelivered promises as usual.

      Brazil was NEVER EVER considered as the “good boy” in the Mercosur !!!! But as the most…ARROGANT AND UNFAIR !!!
      Just ask citizens in Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay who they DISLIKE the most in South America.

      Does Augustus really knows what he is talking about ???? Doubtful.

      And the same applies for Bolivians citizens ! They HATE Brazilians. Not only Brazilians are UNWILLING to pay a fair market price for the natural gas, it is totally NORMAL for brazilians to control 40 % of ALL soyabeans produced in Bolivia, land included….of course !!!!!

      May be AUGUSTUS should not take his dreams for reality….because they are not !!!

    • AUGUSTUS

      HIDDEN AGENDAS – VENEZUELA & BRAZIL (the Distinct À¢€œpartnersÀ¢€Â with irreconcilable goals) by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS
      For many observers outside the Western Hemisphere, specially those who may not be entirely familiarized with the dynamics of the area, with its historical legacy, and some of the recent issues and events which have stained the rosy pictures of cooperation, friendship, and consensus, it would have appeared that the region had indeed reached a respectful level of maturity and had finally resolved some of its the serious issues, challenges and (let alone) conflicts which have plagued (or were about to threaten) many of its countries. Yet, I fear that such theoretical À¢€œremote observerÀ¢€Â would be rather disappointed upon closer examination, for, despite significant economic development by some Latin American countries, most notably, Chile, Brazil, Venezuela and Mexico, along with the promise of similar advances for Argentina, Colombia, Peru and Uruguay, the traditional ghosts of À¢€œextreme income disparity, corrupted politicians, regional rivalry, along with the always present threat of left-wing terrorism (often financed by close neighbors) continues looming in the regionÀ¢€™s horizons (with some notable exceptions)À¢€¦

      One would also have thought that the establishment of Unasur and the increased number of smaller regional gatherings would seriously represent a mature attempt to put differences aside in order to address some of the most important issues (which surely includes energy, fresh water, poverty, income disparity, and infra-structure). Yet, the more I look at these recent lofty goals, the more it becomes evident that either Brazil and Venezuela will be found running (or attempting to run) the show; each of them with a completely distinct political agenda, which is likely, in the long run to be deemed irreconcilable.

      Venezuela, which recently managed to established a mini-alliance for itself, composed of a faithful list of smaller, poorer client states (Cuba, Bolivia, Ecuador, and Nicaragua), undoubtedly intends to assume the lead (if not control) of the region, by a more discrete version of the À¢€œgood-oldÀ¢€Â revolutionary ideals, currently labeled as À¢€œBolivarianÀ¢€Â, whose ultimate goal is to spread its Rosy (but still radical) regime throughout the region, thus allowing Caracas in the end to be the New Latin Moscow of the SouthwestÀ¢€¦ LOL

      Brazil, on the other hand, always the À¢€œgood boyÀ¢€Â, while likely with the sincere intention to assist, ultimately intends to be perceived by the Western World as a grown up adolescent who just reached maturity and is therefore ready to assume its role at the À¢€œbottom of the topÀ¢€Â with a permanent seat in the United Nations, and, possibly a permanent role within the G-8 group (perhaps a G-9?), where it would no longer be invited to their meetings just for À¢€œdesertÀ¢€Â (using LulaÀ¢€™s words).

      As such, either spreading neo-Marxist ideas or promoting À¢€œeconomic integrationÀ¢€Â, Brazil and Venezuela go forth with common plans (without actual, realistic consensus), pursuing completely unrealistic lofty goals, simply to place them, in the end, in a position to achieve their hidden agendas. Worse yet, is their inability to foresee the inevitable source of significant conflict between them, in the long runÀ¢€¦ Hopefully, IÀ¢€™m being too pessimistic.
      😮

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