Brazil’s Lula Calls EU’s New Immigration Rules “Hateful Persecution”

    Immigration rally in Europe

    Immigration rally in Europe The Brazilian president and his South American colleagues meeting at the Mercosur summit called the new European Union immigration policies that permit the detention of undocumented workers for up to 18 months "xenophobic" and said the measure may damage economic ties between the two regions.

    Brazilian President, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, had tough criticism against the new EU rules on immigration calling them "hateful persecution. According to the Brazilian leader the problem of illegal immigration will not solved by prohibiting the poor from entering Europe.

    "We keep on backing the civilian society's participation channels and favoring the free circulation of men and women while, on the other side of the ocean, a hateful persecution is being unleashed against Latin-Americans, often accompanied by racial overtones," said Lula in the speech that marked Brazil's presidency in Mercosur.

    Celso Amorim, Brazil's Foreign Minister, announced that the Unasur countries will appeal to the UN against the EU decision.

    "We will call attention to the theme during the UN's General Assembly," Amorim stated, "and maybe also at the Human Rights Council, We've been analyzing several action to take. The subject needs juridical analysis. What they use is the same term that was used against terrorist during the time of the IRA, when even children were detained."

    "We have to defend our citizens who emigrated abroad because they weren't able, at that time, to find the conditions in our own countries to build a better life," said Uruguayan President Tabare Vazquez during the summit in Tucuman, Argentina.

    "It's xenophobic and discriminatory," he insisted. "Emigrating is not tourism" said Vazquez who talked of being the grandson of poor European immigrants. "It hurts us deeply that there is no respect for the human rights of Latin American immigrants, who had to leave and seek elsewhere what they don't have in their own lands, just like their grandparents did."

    The strong attacks on the EU both for its migratory and farm subsidies policies centered the last of the two day Mercosur summit when the pro tempore chair, for the second half of 2008 was passed on to Brazil's President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. Argentina presided over the first half of the year.

    Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said the migratory measure could hurt trade and investment ties between Latin America and Europe. "We can't be silent about this," Chavez said at the summit. "We need to take a stand. So called civilized Europe is doing something barbarous."

    The EU adopted the new immigration rules on June 18, and they are to take effect by 2010. The policy allows governments to detain illegal immigrants for up to 18 months and imposes a re-entry ban of up to five years. Thousands of Latin Americans migrate to Europe in search of job opportunities and the EU estimates eight to 12 million illegal immigrants live in Europe.

    The Mercosur meeting also focused on the global food and energy crisis, noting that member nations have the potential to thrive, since its members include major energy and food exporters.

    Brazil is the world's largest producer of sugar and of cane sugar ethanol, and second in soy. Argentina, also an important soy grower, is the world's No. 2 in corn and No. 4 in wheat.

    "The situation of food and energy prices presents the region with an enormous opportunity if we can take advantage of it with solidarity and regional integration" said President Cristina Kirchner of Argentina, which hosted the summit.

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    • dnbaiacu

      Forrest B
      Wow! Small world!
      I do business ON FM 1960 .
      🙂
      I totally agree that host countries get rich off of their own poor. But affluent countries have their lifestyle based on developing countries maintaining a large poor class so that affluent countries can buy imports at much cheaper prices than they would otherwise. We couldn’t live like we do in the U.S or any G 8 nation and several other european nations without developing nations maintaining oppressive and repressive regimes which are directly influenced by western world foreign policy. We would not be able to live so “excessively” here without others having so much less. And this is politically and militarily manipulated. The ruling elite of developing countries would have to take a moral position on all political fronts within their own borders to resistance outside trade and military influence. Unfortunately this is not going to happen. So I personally believe and promote recognizing the system for how it really works and not how we would like to believe it should work. Be an entrepreneur , embrace capitalism fairly, and be a minimalist.
      You may just say afloat. 😉

    • dnbaiacu

      Now we are talking….
      [quote]in order to fix the system you would have to make all governments in all countries work as well
      and we know that will never happen in our life time [/quote]

      Absolutely the most insightful comment I have EVER seen on the comments board.
      But don’t be so certain the reversal of this mess won’t be in our lifetime. There is every indication prophetically that the following process is beginning

      44À‚ À¢€œAnd in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2:44
      Great News…… for some

      Thanks for the hardware store tip.. I am sure I will find something. Even if I have to ask management at Shopping Salvador how they did their floors.
      I live in Houston, Texas (I also lived in Phoenix , although I am not sure I remember mentioning that 🙂
      [quote]as far as his thoughts well if you only know one side of history well that is what you can only speak about [/quote]

      What is constant is the universal law of cause and effect. Wealthy countries attract people.. Legal and illegal. Wealthy countries were created and maintain themselves off of cheap and free labor. What part of history do you have to understand to get a clearer picture or explanation for denunciation ot the “immigration problem”. ????
      [quote]at least the US stoped slavery and at its higest number there were only 600.000 slaves ever in the US
      now they are 40 million of the best educated
      riches , higest life style of all blacks in the world . [/quote]
      Subconcious glossing over and denial attempt. But it is ok .. it how many excuse what happen.
      Yes,, blacks in Africa were involved in the slave trade and are just as guilty for the millions that died at sea in the Middle Passage.
      Blacks in America have the highest lifestyle of blacks the world over because the U.S is a wealthy country (highly in question now) built in large part physically by THEIR ancestors.
      But is interesting they are as apt to complain about the immigration issue. They know the system. They recognize that the new slaves are just different nationality. Nothing has really changed. And with mans efforts , it won’t because the system as such is global.
      But I am so sure I am not educating you on anything…. I hope. It is just the mathematics of greed and exploitation. And they have consequences.. Immigration.. Legal or illegal. Was it necessarily “legal” morally speaking to kill milliions of native north and south american indians or africans? No..So why do people complain about their “jobs” being lost to their “mongrelized” descendants? It ia a waste of time.
      [quote]even the so called slave workers brought over to work in swet shops get better pay than in there home countries . [/quote]
      Again the “home countries” of these immigrants are in the condition they are in because of AFFLUENT OR FIRST WORLD , DEVELOPED WORLD or however you want to call it. FOREIGN POLICY.
      Honestly I was horrified to discover this personally when I went to live and study in a foreign country in the carribean for the first time. I was nieve enough to think that such said “home countries” were the way they were because the populace in general including its leaders in office just lacked the know how to make things better. I realized soon that was the biggest lie I was fed and wanted to believe. It is ALL ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY . Nothing more ,,nothing less. In order for the First world to live as it does, third world or “developing world countries HAVE TO STAY SUBJUGATED BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.
      Result.. immigration problem 😉

    • dnbaiacu

      Forrest Brown…
      Enlightening stats. Yet not surprising.
      Truuth is , we know this. The U.S has to take care of its cheap labor just like it took care of slaves and indentured servants a couple centuries ago and beyond. Nothing has changed. The country was built on cheap and free labor just like Brazil and most countries across the Atlantic from Europe and Africa.
      The point is the U.S and some European countries,, particularly England, Spain, Portugal, France and any number of the other countries over there tied in behind the scenes through banks , created immense wealth off the blood , sweat and tears of the ANCESTORS of todays said immigrants in the U.S and yes ,xenophobic european countries. So what if their DESCENDANTS are looking to survive or PROFIT for that matter. They were taught well by the COLONISTS . It’s all part of the game. There will ALWAYS be consequences. Effects for every cause. So WHOEVER is losing jobs to immigrants in Europe or the U.S can thank the kings and queens of Europe from at least the 16th century and onward . And every president of the U.S up to Abraham Lincoln. Simply GET OVER IT!
      How you surive and thrive in such lands is have land and your own business. Self-employment. That’s what the founding fathers did. They created the system. You have to follow it the way they worked it. Because if you are working “directly” for THEM in you are still their SLAVE no matter your national or ethnic background. The Fed is insuring that.
      Only the ignorant or uninformed complain about this “immigration problem”. The problem is not knowing how the system works. Or being in denial about it.
      You have to know how the system was designed. How it was always worked. And work with it. Don’t believe the “American Dream” or any of these other countries dreams and ideaologies. They are all lies.

    • dnbaiacu

      Joao
      I hope you are well. 🙂
      I am leaving next wednesday night. The price of the fare is a hard pill to swallow,, (summer fares) but I have to break up the long hot Texas summer. I hope I have succeess finding the stain. And thanks again for the tips.
      That was funny about Ch.c 😉 He is something else. His strong point is DEFINETLY numbers and stats. He can’t be debated with on that usually from what I see.

    • dnbaiacu

      Ch.c
      [quote]And sorry for you idiot but it is mostly Brazilians males that emigrate and then breed with OUR women !
      Therefore stop emigrating and breed with your own women….AS YOU SAY !!!!!!
      [/quote]

      It was the other way around for centuries during COLONIZATION Mr Ch.c . Descendants of the colonized and enslaved are coming back to haunt the colonizers. .Get out of denial if this is your case. Or are you just plain STUPID 🙂

    • dnbaiacu

      Stick with the stats Ch.c
      Your are stupid as hell with history and political science.
      Advice… Pay attention to what you read before going on your tirades. If not, that makes YOU the IDIOT. 😉

    • dnbaiacu

      The point is the consequences of “historical actions”
      Immigration ,, legal or illegal for better oppurtunity in a more prosperous country is a direct result of previous COLONIZATION. The chidren of the oppressed are only looking for a way to live DECENTLY in the very countries that previously PLUNDERED their countries in the first place.
      [quote]as far a criminals leaving the US to go to brasil [/quote]
      Misunderstood…
      Crimminals and the rejects or unwanted of EUROPE since the discovery of the so called New World.
      The immigration “problem” is payback centuries later

    • dnbaiacu

      Let’s be real
      “What goes around comes around.” “You reap what you sow.” “For every effect there is a cause.”
      [quote]WHEN the immigration policies of another nation who is trying to protect its

      own people rights , to jobs , health care , houseing , food and in some cases the countrys own culture

      is at danger of being lost . [/quote]
      Such nations (the U.S included )GOT the wealth that attracts these ‘Immigrants” from and off the backs and blood of the ancestors of these ‘immigrants”.
      [quote]
      the illegal movment of people to gain a better life in another country , is the fault of there home country for
      failing to do for its own people , eather by just no good politicans whitch is the case in most SA countries ,
      keeping all the money for them selves [/quote]
      BIG FOREIGN POLICY CHECK
      Such “home countries” have their “no good politicians” strategically placed in power BY certain European countries and the U.S. Let’s not get it twisted. The money they “keep for themselves”, is just their unspoken, under the table ,”compensation” for assuming the positions.
      The cause is GREED. The effect PARANOIA.
      Get over it!
      It’s funny how some nations have no problem selling and imposing their “culture” all over the world. And then later cry about needing”protect” it. Stop sending your crimminals everywhere. And breed with your own women. And you won’t have this “problem” with immigration. That’s not going to happen. So the complaints are just plain SILLY.
      😉

    • xyz

      BI agree, they claim racism, that’s fine who cares, JUST LEAVE.razilians need to go back to their country. They try to infiltrate by the thousands and when they are deported wich
      LEAVE NOW. When they came to Portugal, unfortunally, the crime rate, prostitution, robberies, rape of children and other nasty things started to happen We were not used to this debased living You are not welcome in Portugal
      I hope Spain doesn’t let uggly lula convince them to take over his criminals.
      I can’t stand them They are not normal. They are disgusting.

    • Forrest Allen Brown

      the word would be fair
      what was the norm 500 years ago was not the norm 200 years ago and not the norm now

      simple slavery was a business for thousands of years past .

      150 ago it went out of style , wars were fought to stop it . and are still going on today

      but we the people that never owned slaves are to blame for the past of others

      the people today never were slaves , and in most cases will never be . so why do they complain
      so much about the past that they never were a part of and most only work off here say .

      again the rich of the host countries get richer off the backs of there own poor

      look at china and inda today large gap in wealth

      than look at brasil same fact different country

      it is left up to the governments to make trade fair and pay the same

      MY son lives off 1960 and jones road
      i had a place in deer park when i taught college there

    • Forrest Allen Brown

      just about any brick yard
      or hardware store with a large base

      as far as his thoughts well if you only know one side of history well that is what you can only speak about .

      at least he lives in texas , what city does he live ,

      at least the US stoped slavery and at its higest number there were only 600.000 slaves ever in the US
      now they are 40 million of the best educated
      riches , higest life style of all blacks in the world .

      even the so called slave workers brought over to work in swet shops get better pay than in there home countries .

      in order to fix the system you would have to make all governments in all countries work as well
      and we know that will never happen in our life time

    • João da Silva

      Forrest
      Never mind DnbÀ‚´s long lecture! Do you know where to find “Concrete Stain” in Bahia. He has undertaken a very interesting project there.

    • João da Silva

      dnbaiacu
      [quote]I hope you are well.[/quote]

      I am doing well and thanks for asking. Since the “dry law” came into effect, I decided to sit at home and sip my Skol on Friday nights (following the advice of “Gringo”). No more “happy hour” for me 😥

      [quote]The price of the fare is a hard pill to swallow,, (summer fares) but I have to break up the long hot Texas summer.[/quote]

      How much does the airfare cost, these days? For some reason, I thought your home base was Phoenix. DonÀ‚´t ask me why.

      [quote]I hope I have succeess finding the stain. And thanks again for the tips.[/quote]

      I was hoping that apart from me, Bo,Forrest or Gringo might be able to help.
      I hope one of them picks up the message and gives you some more clues as where to find it.

      [quote]That was funny about Ch.c smilies/grin.gif He is something else. His strong point is DEFINETLY numbers and stats.[/quote]

      I think he knows about numbers and stats and knows how to identify good business opportunities. I am accustomed to ignore his rants and ravings about Brazil and just pick up the good Business Intel he provides. I hope his ego does not burst after seeing my comment 😉

      Hope to be in touch before you leave Houston (?).

    • João da Silva

      Jon
      [quote]Where can I find the “detergent” brand with all the university degrees buried in it??[/quote]

      It is a highly “Value Added Product” and can be found only in about half a dozen corner grocery stores in some exclusive suburbs of Geneva 🙁

    • jon

      Ch C and his detergent
      Where can I find the “detergent” brand with all the university degrees buried in it??

    • João da Silva

      dnbaiacu
      [quote]Stick with the stats Ch.c[/quote]

      A valiant, but futile attempt on your part 😉

      Are you leaving for BA tonight or in the middle of next week?

    • João da Silva

      Gringo
      [quote]Enjoy your skol, and remember, NO DRIVING after sniffing beer caps.[/quote]

      You too enjoy your Bohemia and remember your own advice 😥

    • João da Silva

      Ch.c
      An off topic subject: Rescue of Ingrid

      I read the following comments in a blog today:

      [quote]RÀƒ¡dio: Farc receberam US$ 20 mi por resgate de Ingrid

      Dirigentes da guerrilha das ForÀƒ§as Armadas RevolucionÀƒ¡rias da ColÀƒ´mbia (Farc) teriam recebido cerca de US$ 20 milhÀƒµes para liberar a franco-colombiana Ingrid Betancourt e outros 14 refÀƒ©ns, afirma a RÀƒ¡dio SuÀƒ­Àƒ§a Romanda (RSR).

      “Os 15 refÀƒ©ns foram comprados na realidade a preÀƒ§o forte. Depois disso toda a operaÀƒ§Àƒ£o foi uma encenaÀƒ§Àƒ£o”, afirmou a rÀƒ¡dio pÀƒºblica.

      Quase US$ 20 milhÀƒµes foram entregues aos seqÀƒ¼estradores, segundo a RSR, que cita uma “fonte ligada aos acontecimentos, confiÀƒ¡vel e testada em reiteradas ocasiÀƒµes nos Àƒºltimos anos”.

      A emissora acrescentou que os Estados Unidos estiveram na “origem da transaÀƒ§Àƒ£o”.

      Nos Àƒºltimos anos, a SuÀƒ­Àƒ§a atuou ao lado de Espanha e FranÀƒ§a, a pedido do presidente colombiano Alvaro Uribe, em uma missÀƒ£o de mediaÀƒ§Àƒ£o com as Farc.

      [/quote]

      Did the news media in Switzerland really come up with this news? Do you get to listen to this RÀƒ¡dio SuÀƒ­Àƒ§a Romanda (RSR)?

    • Forrest Allen Brown

      US spends more on illegals than all there home countries spend on there own people
      1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

      2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

      3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

      4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

      5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

      6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

      7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

      8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare and Social Services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

      9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

      10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

      11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

      12. The National Policy Institute, “estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.” http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

      13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their co untries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

      14. “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States”. http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

    • João da Silva

      Ch.c
      [quote]In the EU the unemployment rate is as high as in Brazil !!!!! [/quote]

      What are the causes for the unemployment rate to be high in EU, Ch.c? Interested in hearing your unbiased views on this.

    • Gringo

      Joao…..
      [quote]Do you read this rag too? Do you know that all the newspapers in our state belong to it ? CBC should buy it outright. smilies/wink.gif[/quote]

      Yes, I do read the DC, although I find the homeless guy with no legs who begs for money by my office usually more informed about local affairs. And no, I was not aware of the monopoly, but not surprised looks like the Grupo RBS own everything…

      Looks like a sunny weekend. Enjoy your skol, and remember, NO DRIVING after sniffing beer caps.

    • Forrest Allen Brown

      its the law and it is broken
      by any people moving from country to country even if you have a visa and stay longer
      you have broken the law !!!

      I know this is a hard thing for brazilians or most any other people to think about with no real law in there own country .

      most become not much more than slaves , to many forms of business the worst is sex expoltation of any one that walks .
      child labur , gang & drug activites .

      then to demand rights in the host country , of free government hand outs
      that there home land does not even have ,
      or they dont even pay taxes to

    • ch.c.

      “And breed with your own women. And you won’t have this “problem” with immigration.”
      Funny coming from a white or brown skin !!!!
      How do you believe you have been conceived ??????
      Your ancestrors were NOT Brazilians….by definition !!!!!!!!!!

      And sorry for you idiot but it is mostly Brazilians males that emigrate and then breed with OUR women !
      Therefore stop emigrating and breed with your own women….AS YOU SAY !!!!!!

      More idiot than a Brazilian…there is not.
      Due to your bad education.
      Dont forget the Brazilian ranking in education : 46th out of 50 in the latest report….published in this site.
      So you cant say you are well educated…..and you just proved it once more !
      Your analysis is more than archaÀƒ¯c, full of contradictions and LIES !

      did you also got your SP University certificate…..in a detergent pack ?

    • ch.c.

      To the idiot dnbaiacu “Immigration ,, legal or illegal for better oppurtunity in a more prosperous country is a direct result of previous COLONIZATION”
      SO WRONG !!!!!!!

      Was Brazil colonized by the USA, France, Germany, Italy, Spain ???????

      And in Brazil, the problem is NOT wealth, but the re-distribution of it.
      That is why Brazil is ranked within the World Worst Ten Countries….for wealth and social redistribution.
      Therefore your arguments have no basis.

      Brazil is not considered as a poor country but as a middle income country….if you did not know.

      Therefore it is due to Bin the Crook policies and his predecessors…that tens of millions Brazilians CANNOT LIVE……DECENTLY !!!!!

      You have wealth….just share it more fairly but dont accuse …….”the others as Brazilians regularly do”
      Brazilians excel in doing so, instead of admitting their own problems and solving them.

    • ch.c.

      To the stupid Brazilians Junkies !!!!!
      Does Brazil accepts illegal people from Bolivia, Peru, Venezuela, Ecuador, Nicaragua, just to name a few….to enter Brazil…..to find a job…or may be commit thefts or crimes ????
      And what does Brazil do when they arrest illegal people ?
      Can they stay in the country ????????

      Why should the developing countries people be allowed to enter a country, developed or developing, ILLEGALLY ????????

      In the EU the unemployment rate is as high as in Brazil !!!!!
      Do you expect to lower your unemployment rate……. by increasing the one in the EU ???????

    • João da Silva

      Gringo
      [url]Like THIS: http://www.clicrbs.com.br/diar…002979.xml [/url]

      Do you read this rag too? Do you know that all the newspapers in our state belong to it ? CBC should buy it outright. 😉

    • forrest allen brown

      when wa sthe last time
      a brasilian lost there job the a person from the US or EU in brasil ??????????????????????

      how many brasilians leave brasil with a tourtist visa only to stay 18 years
      in the host country , living off welfare , selling of drugs .

      as far a criminals leaving the US to go to brasil they cant get a leagle pasport in the US
      if convicted of a felony . and we all know the brasilian police can spot a fake pasport and visa a mile off
      ask the spanish going there on vacation .

      we should go for a tit for tat rule

      treat you people like they are treated in there own country

      but that is wrong in this nation to do people that way

    • Gringo

      [quote]The Brazilian president and his South American colleagues meeting at the Mercosur summit called the new European Union immigration policies that permit the detention of undocumented workers for up to 18 months [b]”xenophobic”[/b] and said the measure may damage economic ties between the two regions.[/quote]

      Well, Lula is certainly quite familiar with the term À¢€œxenophobiaÀ¢€Â as of late but for him to use it against others is a tad hypocritical. You canÀ¢€™t open a newspaper these days in Brazil without seeing, À¢€œBrazil will investigate foreignersÀ¢€Â, À¢€œBrazil wants to REregister foreigners who own propertyÀ¢€Â À¢€œlimit foreign purchasesÀ¢€Â, À¢€œkeep foreigners outÀ¢€Â (these are LEGAL foreigners). That said, I do think the 18 month detention clause is draconian, and IÀ‚´d prefer Europe deal with unwanted foreigners as Brazil does: do a shakedown for some cash and then send them packing the same week if not the same day.

      Like THIS: http://www.clicrbs.com.br/diariocatarinense/jsp/default.jsp?uf=2&local=18&section=Geral&newsID=a2002979.xml

    • forrest allen brown

      WHY IS IT XENOPHOBIC
      WHEN the immigration policies of another nation who is trying to protect its

      own people rights , to jobs , health care , houseing , food and in some cases the countrys own culture

      is at danger of being lost .

      the illegal movment of people to gain a better life in another country , is the fault of there home country for
      failing to do for its own people , eather by just no good politicans whitch is the case in most SA countries ,
      keeping all the money for them selves
      or the slave trade in whitch the poor are sold because being a slave in another country is better than living free in there own home land .
      the other is sex trade , in whitch all countries should be held up to the light on

      look at it this way being in jail in europ is better than living in a faval you stand to live a bit long
      as the drug lords and gunman cant get to you

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