Brazil Ditches Portuguese and Adopts Brazilian as Official Language

    Portugal's royal family arrives in Rio, Brazil, in 1808

    Portugal's royal family arrives in Rio, Brazil, in 1808 When Brazil's President, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, marks Independence Day on September 7 he will announce that the country intends replacing Portuguese as its official language with its own language to be known as Brazilian. 

    The move, highlighted in a recent cover story by the magazine Carta Capital, which is known to be close to the Lula administration, will shortly be announced by Brasí­lia and reflects a widespread view that the language spoken in Brazil is so far removed from that spoken in Portugal that it is best to accept the obvious and declare linguistic independence.

    It also brings to the surface a deep resentment by many Brazilians against the Portuguese whom they believe exploited Brazil's natural resources and gave nothing in return. 

    The events marking the 200th  anniversary this year of the arrival of the Portuguese royal family in Rio de Janeiro to escape Napoleon's army highlights for many Brazilians how their country eventually overshadowed Portugal in terms of its importance.  

    While magazines and television have been celebrating the event, others have complained that it is of no relevance to modern Brazil. 

    "Why should we be marking the arrival of a bunch of parasites who only came here because they were not brave enough to stay at home and defend their country against the invaders? Instead of fighting the enemy, they jumped on English ships which took them to Brazil and in return they gave the English exclusive rights to exploit Brazil's resources," said Solange Civeta Mesquita, Professor of Brazilian history at the University of Mato Grosso do Sul.

    Ms Mesquita is widely respected abroad and won a Pulitzer prize for her 10-part series on Brazilian independence which appeared in the New York Times in 2000 to mark the 500th anniversary of the "discovery" of Brazil.  

    "Look how the Dutch developed the part of Brazil they held for 20-30 years – building canals in Recife, establishing schools and bringing skilled technicians to undertake technical projects instead of using the country as garbage dump for convicts, as the Portuguese did," she added.  

    Brazilians and Portuguese regularly complain about how badly the others speak what is supposed to be a common language. Brazil's popular soap operas, known as novelas, are shown all over the world with subtitles – even in Portugal since the Portuguese can barely follow what the Brazilians have done to their language.

    In turn, Brazilians find the Portuguese spoken in Portugal to be antiquated, creaky and quaint. The Portuguese are the butt of a million jokes and if any Brazilian wants to win a cheap laugh all he has to do is imitate a Portuguese.

    Lula himself is a perfect example of how Brazilians have taken the language and changed it to suit their ends, regardless of laws of grammar and pronunciation. Lula is often accused of not even speaking Portuguese.  

    Wilberto Bloch, a Brazilian who teaches Latin America linguistics at John Hopkins University, says: "The Brazilian snobs who make this complaint about Lula – generally from São Paulo – do not realize that the language he speaks is separate from the one they were taught at school with its references to Camões and Eça de Queiroz."     

    This is one of the reasons why Lula is believed to be particularly keen on the idea of declaring linguistic independence, Bloch claims. "Lula is originally from the interior of the Northeastern state of Pernambuco and knows that the language he speaks has developed from its surroundings in a vast disparate territory which covers half of South America and not a tiny sliver of coastline thousands of miles away huddled along the Atlantic," he said.   

    Brazilian Portuguese not only reflects a language which was developed by people who were not Portuguese – Indians, Africans and the great mixture of people which have made Brazil one of the most racially-mixed countries in the world – but who also had dozens of Indian languages to provide "le mot juste," particularly for their natural surroundings. 

    The strength of this natural language is seen in the fact that around 30% of the language spoken in Brazil has indigenous or African roots, says Diego Haldebrecht Santini Frias from the linguistic department of the University of Paraná whose own name shows his German, Italian and Portuguese ancestry.

    He thinks it is time for Portuguese to be scrapped and says that if history had gone the other way the national language would have been the Indian language Tupi. He recalls how his own grandfather, the son of German immigrants to southern Brazil, conversed in various German dialects as did everyone else in a predominantly German areas. Most people barely spoke Portuguese. His great grandmother was Italian and never learned Portuguese. 

    "It was the fascist dictator Getúlio Vargas who stopped German, Italian and Japanese schools teaching in their native languages and enforced Portuguese on a large number of people. This was done when Brazil entered the war on the side of the Americans. If this had not happened, Brazil would be a multilingual country. In hindsight, it would have been better if he made everyone learn English."

    A different view comes from Mauro da Silva Pereira who helped establish the Museum of the Portuguese Language which opened in São Paulo two years ago and has been a great success with Brazilians.

    "Of course there are many differences. That happens anywhere. Look at the different varieties of English spoken in the US, Canada, Australia and even among the English themselves. Remember "My Fair Lady" which is all about different ways of speaking what is supposed to be the same language," he said. "Portuguese is the language of Brazil and Brazil is the language of Portuguese. I admit I may be biased as I am Portuguese."

    The change will require an alteration in the Constitution but the government is certain that it will win the three-fifths majority required. The debate is likely to be interesting since some politicians, such as Senator Eduardo Suplicy of São Paulo who is an avid Anglophile, thinks Brazil should adopt English since it is the global language.

    "My favorite song is Bob Dylan's "Blowin' in the Wind" and I would love it to be Brazil's national anthem," he said. "Wouldn't be great to speak a language that the whole world understood instead of an obscure tongue that no-one has ever heard of?"

    Gilberto Gil, the culture minister, who is one of Brazil's best-known singers and attended ceremonies marking the arrival of the Portuguese royal family, was also laid back about the idea. When I spoke to him by telephone over the Easter period and asked him what he thought of the idea of scrapping Portuguese, he replied in excellent English: "Cool dude. Way to go!"

    Gil's contemporary Caetano Veloso is fluent in English and spent some time living in London during the military dictatorship when he even wrote one of his most famous songs in English "London London". I managed to have a brief word with him before he left on a European tour and asked him what he thought.

    "You know I'm a mulatto from Bahia. You might not think so but if you compare my eyes with Gil's you'll see that mine are darker. I think I have a greater affinity for playing the guitar and dancing than he does but, at the same time, I have a kind of melancholy which Gil doesn't have and I think I got that from my European ancestors who were probably Portuguese. I would be happy to say goodbye to Portuguese because it is a sad, heavy language that does not fit in with our temperament. Let's be Brazilian and speak and sing Brazilian!"

    Model Giselle Bündchen, who lives in New York, and is of German origin said having Brazilian as a language made sense. "After all, if the Germans speak German, the English English and the French French why shouldn't Brazilians speak Brazilian?" 

    TV personality Luciana Gimenez, best known abroad for her affair with Mick Jagger, said: "I speak six languages fluently. This means I can now add another and tell everyone I speak seven."       

    Portugal is understandably upset but, faced with an offspring of Brazil's size, there is nothing it can do. At least it can take some comfort that one of the world's smallest and most wretchedly poor nations – East Timor – decided to have Portuguese as it official language when it became independent from Indonesia.

    April Fool's! Interviews, author, and much of the info are ficticious.

    Fulton Phillipson is Professor of Semantics at the Inuit University of Manitoba, Canada. He has identified 250 separate indigenous languages and written a number of books including "Tupi or Not Tupi – Finding an Indigenous Brazilian Language", "Toppling the Tower of Babel", "Phonemics and Classicism in Creole Speech in the Caribbean", and "Sexism in Language – Language in Sexism". He has also written about the discrimination practiced against Brazil's population of Eskimo/Inuit descent.

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    • ……

      GILHERMAO AO AO
      On another note as the old refrain goes “when in Rome speak like the Romans”; obviously that’s what others epak in your jungle, why whouldn’t you have to speak like othe others intheir own country.
      Ifor one welcome the changing og thelanguage even fi true, because idiots/trash like you only give the Portuguese language & name a bad reputation; so take it wher th sun don’t shine maroon turk.

    • ……

      GUILHERMAO AO AO
      WHAT A JOKE YOU ARE, TALKING ABOUT RACISM IN PORTUGAL, BRAZILIANS SHOULD ONLY WISH TO EXPERIENCE SUCH RACISM IN THEIR OWN SOIL & AS FOR THE LANGUAGE YOU ALREADY HAVE IT UP YOUR ASS FOR THE LAST 185 YEARS.
      AS ALWAYS BRAZILIANS WILL ALWAYS BE A JOKE, NOTHING ELSE, YOU JUST CAN NEVER FIND YOUR WAY.
      YOU SHOULD TRY THE SAHARA NEXT TIME YOU MOVE LEGALLY, I;M SURE YOU’LL FIND YIUR WAY THE BRAZIKIAN WAY.
      AH, AH, AH, AH.

    • Guilherme

      This guy must be a freak.
      “What a Shame! I know this is a joke but………………
      written by D, 2008-04-04 09:44:42
      Brazilian people will never change! I remember when I lived in Spain and the amount of two faced brazilians who lived there too and tryed to speak Portuguese with a Portuguese accent so the Spanish police woldn’t know that they were Brazilians and deport the bunch of them all living there illegally. So my point is I think all Brazilians should be proud of who they are and stop pretending to someone else and if you are Brazilian be Brazilian if your language is Portuguese let it be Portuguese and stop mixing everything we are already too mixed as a race to try and make a mess of our own language. Stop insulting the Porgueses as if we’ve never needed them just think of the 50 thousand Brazilians living in Portugal and most of them living off Portuguese social well fare. At least the Portugueses is not going to any other country now a days taking everyones jobs as the Brazilians. So who ever wrote this arthicle should be ashamed of himself or herself YOU JUST DON’T make this kind of joke about another nation. “

      Lool, you gotta be kiddin me, let me see..
      Let’s see wikipedia:
      “As of 2006 Portugal has 10,956,117[citation needed] inhabitants of whom about 435,000 were legal immigrants (51,7% female, 48,3% male)[citation needed].”
      Well, 435000 in 2006 legally abroad, how many must be illegally then?
      You all before talking crap about Brazilian immigration, you should look in the mirror, Yes, I am brazilian, I do live abroad LEGALLY, And you know what? I do love my country, I do think it’s right to change the name of the language, what would we want to have the name on there?
      It’s pretty much just that, the name, since everything else is different, Subtitles and all that crap is normal, that’s all i have to say, oh, i already lived in Portugal, beautiful country, good people, but i couldn’t stand their freaking racism towards Brazilian people, they think that what they do is right, they think that their portuguese is the correct one, they say things like, “This is portuguese, this is Portugal, whatever we do to the language, it’ll always be right…”
      I think you should put the language up your ass and twist it, i don’t have anything else to say.
      Bye.

    • Guilherme

      This guy must be a freak.
      “What a Shame! I know this is a joke but………………
      written by D, 2008-04-04 09:44:42
      Brazilian people will never change! I remember when I lived in Spain and the amount of two faced brazilians who lived there too and tryed to speak Portuguese with a Portuguese accent so the Spanish police woldn’t know that they were Brazilians and deport the bunch of them all living there illegally. So my point is I think all Brazilians should be proud of who they are and stop pretending to someone else and if you are Brazilian be Brazilian if your language is Portuguese let it be Portuguese and stop mixing everything we are already too mixed as a race to try and make a mess of our own language. Stop insulting the Porgueses as if we’ve never needed them just think of the 50 thousand Brazilians living in Portugal and most of them living off Portuguese social well fare. At least the Portugueses is not going to any other country now a days taking everyones jobs as the Brazilians. So who ever wrote this arthicle should be ashamed of himself or herself YOU JUST DON’T make this kind of joke about another nation. “

      Lool, you gotta be kiddin me, let me see..
      Let’s see wikipedia:
      “As of 2006 Portugal has 10,956,117[citation needed] inhabitants of whom about 435,000 were legal immigrants (51,7% female, 48,3% male)[citation needed].”
      Well, 435000 in 2006 legally abroad, how many must be illegally then?
      You all before talking crap about Brazilian immigration, you should look in the mirror, Yes, I am brazilian, I do live abroad LEGALLY, And you know what? I do love my country, I do think it’s right to change the name of the language, what would we want to have the name on there?
      It’s pretty much just that, the name, since everything else is different, Subtitles and all that crap is normal, that’s all i have to say, oh, i already lived in Portugal, beautiful country, good people, but i couldn’t stand their freaking racism towards Brazilian people, they think that what they do is right, they think that their portuguese is the correct one, they say things like, “This is portuguese, this is Portugal, whatever we do to the language, it’ll always be right…”
      I think you should put the language up your ass and twist it, i don’t have anything else to say.
      Bye.

    • Sandra|

      Wow, I was just reading about the changes that languages experiment when spoken in different parts of the world, when a language becomes so different from the original dialect it for a fact desserts to be listed as an entire different one.
      Professional Portuguese translators now can differentiate their specialty from the Brazilian ones, pretty cool.

    • Jenny

      Prese,
      It all comes dowsn to Jealousy at the end of the day,they can’t beat you guys, so the next best thing they do is bad mouth you guys which translates into their Low self esteem, don’t worry what they think of you or your country, their country is nothing but a latrine from top to bottom. I have had the pleasure of being in both countries & brazuca’s can’t even light a match next to you guys. They like to belive & convince themselves that they are better but far from it.
      So don’t knock your country down for their faults/problems, there is no country on erth that doesn’t have it’s share of them, that is no reason to not like your country, politicians come & go & hopefully they will be better than the last. So be proud of who youa re & yours, after all they carry themselves in an exemplatory manner all over the world, not too many other people cna say that especially the brazuca’s Yuca’s.

    • Once

      A 5a lÀƒ­ngua mais falada do mundo devia ser motivo de orgulho para todos
      I don’t care if most of you will not understand what i’ll write next, but I will write in Portuguese!

      Esta discussÀƒ£o nÀƒ£o faz qualquer sentido. O inglÀƒªs falado e escrito no Reino Unido Àƒ© muito diferente do que se escreve nos Estados Unidos, AustrÀƒ¡lia ou qualquer outro paÀƒ­s onde o ingÀƒªs Àƒ© a lÀƒ­ngua oficial.
      JÀƒ¡ alguÀƒ©m ouviu os australianos dizerem que falam australiano??? Ou os americanos dizerem que falam americano??? A lÀƒ­ngua Àƒ© o inglÀƒªs. Ponto final.
      Em Portugal, no Brasil, MoÀƒ§ambique, GuinÀƒ©-Bissau, Angola, Cabo Verde, SÀƒ£o TomÀƒ© e PrincÀƒ­pe e Timor a lÀƒ­ngua OFICIAL Àƒ© o PortuguÀƒªs. AlÀƒ©m disso fala-se tambÀƒ©m portuguÀƒªs em Macau e na ÀƒÂndia.

      O portuguÀƒªs Àƒ© a 5a lÀƒ­ngua mais falada do mundo. Acho que todos os que falam portuguÀƒªs, seja ele portuguÀƒªs europeu ou sul americano ou africano ou asiÀƒ¡tico deviam orgulhar-se de falar a 5a lÀƒ­ngua mais falada do mundo.
      Eu tenho imenso orgulho em falar portuguÀƒªs. Viva onde viver irei sempre ser um falante de portuguÀƒªs.

    • Jenny

      Applaus, Applause
      To the last two bloggers, very well said. xxx000

      Now to the brazuca’s-tell us all how many countries speak German, Italian & Dutch (suriname, dutch antilles; that’s all folks).

      And the show goes on.

    • Once

      A 5a lÀƒ­ngua mais falado mundo devia ser de orgulho para todos
      I don’t care if most of you will understand what i’ll write next, but I will write in Portuguese!

      Esta discussÀƒ£o nÀƒ£o faz qualquer sentido. O inglÀƒªs falado e escrito no Reino Unido Àƒ© muito diferente do que se escreve nos Estados Unidos, AustrÀƒ¡lia ou qualquer outro paÀƒ­s onde o ingÀƒªs Àƒ© a lÀƒ­ngua oficial.
      JÀƒ¡ alguÀƒ©m ouviu os australianos dizerem que falam ustraliano??? Ou os americanos dizerem que falam americano??? A lÀƒ­ngua Àƒ© o inglÀƒªs. Ponto final.
      Em Portugal, no Brasil, MoÀƒ§ambique, GuinÀƒ©-Bissau, Angola, Cabo Verde, SÀƒ£o TomÀƒ© e PrincÀƒ­pe e Timor a lÀƒ­ngua OFICIAL Àƒ© o PortuguÀƒªs. AlÀƒ©m disso fala-se tambÀƒ©m portuguÀƒªs em Macau e na ÀƒÂndia.

      O portuguÀƒªs Àƒ© a 5a lÀƒ­ngua mais falada do mundo. Acho que todos os que falam portuguÀƒªs, seja ele portuguÀƒªs europeu ou sul americano ou africano ou asiÀƒ¡tico deviam orgulhar-se de falar a 5a lÀƒ­ngua mais falada do mundo.
      Eu tenho imenso orgulho em falar portuguÀƒªs. Viva onde viver irei sempre ser um falante de portuguÀƒªs.

    • Prese

      So sad, when people behave like animals, instead of embracing the human nature God gave them…
      My country has lots of flaws, and yes, I admit that in a certain way, I don’t like Portugal, although I’m portuguese. I don’t like Portugal because it has corrupt politicians, because many employers exploit employees and treat them like garbage, because portuguese top notch managers earn much more then their european counterparts, while the simple workers earn less than everyone in Europe.

      At the present moment, Portugal has several problems, and faces one of the worst economical crisis in its history, without an end at sight, because the portuguese people did not have the enlightenment to chose their leaders, and now, the price is being paid, since the country is being devastated by a plague of huge proportions.

      Still…

      In spite of its past and present mistakes, Portugal was different 500 years ago. I think brazilians do not like Portugal because they belive Portugal exploited themÀ¢€¦ I accept. I think it’s fair this resentment. However, you must think about how the majority of the european countrys made their colonizationsÀ¢€¦ as far as I remember my history classes, no colonized country was spared from being exploited by the colonizing power. And some of them were more than exploited. Do you know what spanish have done??? Can you compare? I mean, spanish just dizimated people and cultures, and ravished every possible natural resource they found.

      About dutchÀ¢€¦ dutch colonization was mercantile. But do you think they acted fair all the times? Don’t you know that a country can also be ravished by economical means. The true value of gold was barely known by native people. They traded every gold they possessed for a simple mirrorÀ¢€¦ that gold was then head back to the Netherlands. They built infrastructures in Brazil?… If they did, it was for their own business. Do you actually believe that they did it for the natives? If you do, come onÀ¢€¦ open your horizons.

      In fact, Portugal took gold and precious stones, and wood, and enslaved many people, etc. from Brazil and from African former colonies, but Portugal build infrastructures too (so why would the dutch be better than the portuguese??). With the Jesuitas, Portugal educated many natives instead of killing them (like the spanish did…). Many portuguese people chose to become brazilians, to live and work there, economically and finantially improving the country. This is not exploiting itÀ¢€¦ this is helping it, with investment and knowledge. Portugal also has mercantile roots from the fenicians. Portugal discovered the sea route to India, for mercantile reasons.

      So, many mistakes where made, but overall, I think Portugal is not less than anyone, in which regards to colonization.

      At the present moment, Portugal faces lots of problems, but Brazil is not a rule model either. Corruption, people exploiting and violence of all sorts and kinds, is also a Brazillian concern. I know many brazilians who work in Portugal. They say that they couldn’t live and raise they children among such violence. They came to Portugal, not just to earn they’re living, but to run away from something they considered inhumane.

      They are most wellcome to Portugal. Portuguese people likes brazilian people, and held them as brothers and equals in every way (I don’t know why portuguese people is so bad treated in BrazilÀ¢€¦ why the jokes, why the resentmentÀ¢€¦ we cannot be held responsable for the mistakes of our ancestors. We acknowledge them, and regret them, but we cannot be forever held responsable. In fact, like the brazilians, still, we are also exploited by some of “our own”).

      So, to the brazilians, all I have to say is this: try to look at the good things and to forget the bad. Be proud of your history, and don’t try to erase parts of it… After all, there are plenty of virtues we both share, starting with the language. If we speak portuguese and you speak brazilian, I truly don’t give a shit. All I know is that I understand you, and all I’d hope for, is that you could understand me tooÀ¢€¦ but heyÀ¢€¦ that’s up to you guysÀ¢€¦ you are free to do whatever you want, even to understand me or not.

    • PA

      Nonsense
      written by Brazilian_Speaker, 2008-04-01 10:12:51
      I suppose the commentator Pedro is a Portuguese guy, judging by his resentment. He thinks Brazil should be proud for speaking an European language. Certainly he is proud of the very recent wave of development provided by the German, French, British and Scandinavian subsidies that promoted Portugal from XIX to XX century. Maybe he still believes that Portugal is a world class superpower? (It makes me laugh). He should study Brazilian instead of laying his resentment about Portugal’s insignificance.

      -What a nerve you have to come on here & talk about resentment, if anyone lives with resentment on daily basis is you & your filth. and after all you shoul be proud to be speaking a european language after all whatelese would you be speaking THAI?
      -Insignificance my ASS, they are more significant thatn you or you’re country, at least they pay their debts which your country has failed to do inthe past & they are not a 3rd world country compare to yours.
      Please read on, if you need more articles on your miserable government let me know,a fter all your the brazilian-speaker of the house, which translates into a big piece of BOSTA.

      http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1880

      http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/4213/54/
      And those are just a few, do you see that & the #’s have increased, that’s how insignificant you have become as always. so just go live in your DENIAL land.

    • alfonso velázquez

      Chorrada morrocotuda. Ahora tengo dos lenguas por el esfuerzo de una. Que guay!i 😉

    • PA

      JACARE
      Àƒ‰ VERO
      written by Jacyra, 2008-04-04 07:41:14
      Why should we be marking the arrival of a bunch of parasites who only came here because they were not brave enough to stay at home and defend their country against the invaders? Instead of fighting the enemy, they jumped on English ships which took them to Brazil and in return they gave the English exclusive rights to exploit Brazil’s resources,” said Solange Civeta Mesquita, Professor of Brazilian history at the University of Mato Grosso do Sul.
      Ms Mesquita is widely respected abroad and won a Pulitzer prize for her 10-part series on Brazilian independence which appeared in the New York Times in 2000 to mark the 500th anniversary of the “discovery” of Brazil.

      The only parasite seems to be you & the phamtom author, think if napoleon hadn’t invaded, the parasites would never had left for themost part & then they couldn’t have created you, how sad to see what came out. They shoul’ve brought ther wives likrthe british & dutch & then it would have been a beautiful country, instead the good they did is frowned upon by VACAS VELHAS like you.
      And i’m sure that if tomorrow brazil was invaded or the u.s & other countries, LULA & BUSH would go out to the streets & fight with the rest of the dummies. Of coure lula & bush don’t have evacuation plans, underground bunkers, etc.
      You see JACKASS RULERS RULE & COMMAND,TEHY DON’T FIGHT.

    • PA

      JACARE
      After all i’m going to help you out because i feel sorry for you, i have a great recipe written by a brazilian author named-Dutra De Menezes-who wrote a very funny book, you should try & read it if your reading comprehension is valid. Her best medicine to date has been this & it aleviated all her depression & ailments:

      “Quem ja fez AMOR com un PORTUGUES, ou vai parar aos cuidados cardiovasculares de tanta emocao, ou descobre por que razao foi para eles, tao facil povoar meio mundo”.

      YOU SEE jACARE, LIKE ANDERSON & D SAID ABOVE SOMETHINGS NEVER CHANGE, WE CAN ONLY TRY TO CHANGE OURSELVES.

    • PA

      D
      Jacare doesn’t seem to get it or doesn’t want to that at the end of the day she sounds like the ARABS wanting to get rid of the JEWS, as if they stop existing their world would transform itself overnite to a better place. Like brazucas they can’t pathom their own self incompetence that they have not contributed anything to this world.
      I’m surprised that the magic wands of brazil hasn’t eradicated it’s problems.

      So tell us jacare, what has brazil contributed to the world? HO’s / sluts like you.

    • PA

      Jacare sorveteira
      Who bother you, you keep saying to leave you alone, you are alone in cse you haven’t figured that out, the portuguese among others don’t bother you, you’re the one that’s all bother by the joking article & came out spouting crap, no one really cares what you think, live in your resentment/helpless day after day, speak & say what you want when you want to in whatever way you want.
      It seems to me that your VELHO is not doing his job, your probably upset that a portuguese didn’t choose you as it’s customary for brazuca’s to line up wanting them because of the CONDICAO they can provide. Poor you, how sad that you ahve to relegate yourself to this low selfless level.

    • Jacyra

      PORTUGAL, LEAVE US ALONE
      D, pÀƒ¡ra de nenhenhÀƒ©m, vÀƒ¡ limpar sua latrina, por foi pra isso que tu nasceu, filho de uma rapariga. 😛

    • D

      What a Shame! I know this is a joke but………………
      Brazilian people will never change! I remember when I lived in Spain and the amount of two faced brazilians who lived there too and tryed to speak Portuguese with a Portuguese accent so the Spanish police woldn’t know that they were Brazilians and deport the bunch of them all living there illegally. So my point is I think all Brazilians should be proud of who they are and stop pretending to someone else and if you are Brazilian be Brazilian if your language is Portuguese let it be Portuguese and stop mixing everything we are already too mixed as a race to try and make a mess of our own language. Stop insulting the Porgueses as if we’ve never needed them just think of the 50 thousand Brazilians living in Portugal and most of them living off Portuguese social well fare. At least the Portugueses is not going to any other country now a days taking everyones jobs as the Brazilians. So who ever wrote this arthicle should be ashamed of himself or herself YOU JUST DON’T make this kind of joke about another nation.

    • Jacyra

      LUSITANOS = COVARDES
      PORTUGAL Àƒ© uma naÀƒ§Àƒ£o de covardes,ou como eles falam do jeito espanhol: COBARDES 😉

    • Jacyra

      Àƒ‰ VERO
      Why should we be marking the arrival of a bunch of parasites who only came here because they were not brave enough to stay at home and defend their country against the invaders? Instead of fighting the enemy, they jumped on English ships which took them to Brazil and in return they gave the English exclusive rights to exploit Brazil’s resources,” said Solange Civeta Mesquita, Professor of Brazilian history at the University of Mato Grosso do Sul.

      Ms Mesquita is widely respected abroad and won a Pulitzer prize for her 10-part series on Brazilian independence which appeared in the New York Times in 2000 to mark the 500th anniversary of the “discovery” of Brazil.

    • PA

      OUR GRAMMAR IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENTwritten by Jacyra, 2008-04-03 09:46:50
      Our modern writers fought for the BRAZILIAN language.
      It was they who broke the Portuguese rules, so know we can use in in a Brazilian way: TE AMO
      instead of awkward AMO-TE, ME CHAMO instead of ugly CHAMO-ME or CHEGAR EM CASA instead of obsolete-sounding CHEGAR A CASA.
      The grammar is different.
      The vocabulary as well.
      And pronunciation too. Continental Portuguese sounds like a mix of Russian and Arabic. Brazilian Portuguese sounds like a mix of French and Italian. I think we should declare the linguistic independence from Portugal just like Dutch Africans did in the Dutch/Afrikaans case. Capeverdeans should adopt the Caboverdian kriol as their native language too, and gave up on Portuguese.
      EntÀƒ£o, portuguesada amolecada, vÀƒ£o pro cafundÀƒ³ do paÀƒ­s de vocÀƒªs e deixem a gente em paz. Viu?

      It didn’t take much to show what a piece of trash you really are & a pea brain that you have. It seems that all you know how to do is talk, talk like all brazucada & no real action or facts to back up anything you say.
      No one really cares other than you how people sound or how they choose to speak if that is the way they grew up., when some people listen to your dialect of portuguese they are horrified on how it sounds, but this a matter of opinion isn’t.
      Your vile hatred/resentment/jealousy that you have most likely towards part of your ancestors is really astonishing, but then again it is not news to me & most other people on this forum or around the world, people normally just tend to play along & ignore IGNORAMUS like you that really don’t have anything constructive to add.
      At the end of the day you just can’t pathom that those that you criticize so much & that others defend don’t really give squat about what you & others think of them, they are too busy making a living & being successful so that at the end of the day people like you work for them & live in their properties among others. They don’t have to go anywhere because if they did the country would collapse & then inept people like you wouldn’t know what to do. You would most likley join the illegal immigration exodus that’s been taking place in your poverty strikin country for the last 20 yrs or so & of course they come & just carry themselves in such an examplatory manner. LOL
      On another note you make way too many assumptions about me & others which couldn’t be further from the truth, if had taken time to rad previous posts you would no the answer isntead of sounding like an imbacil, but i’ll let you believe & make whatever assumptions you want. I’m having fun..
      Life goes on for those that have structure, a mind, wisdom, ethics, etc.
      You and yours are nothing but a bunch of bastards/cowards, just look at the rest of sotuh america, argentina, bolivia, venezuela, chile, etc. The people, students have risen up in one way or another, what have you & the rest of your filth done to propel demonstrations/bring accountability to your politicians,etc?
      I really wouldn’t want to make you late & miss your bus to go sell ice cream at the beach or fortunate enough to own a rusted lata. OUVISTE BEM CUBAIA FRACA, now go brush your green teeth & make sure your hubby is not doing your neighbor or friend & when he tires of you make sure he doesn’t take you into the woods to eliminate you.
      ATE AMANHA

    • forrest allen brown

      ????????
      BRASILIAN portugues is different , but instead of trying to teach millions of brasilians the correct way to speak
      they just oupt out for the easy way out .

      like porto rico has there own spainsh dictionary

      and the US found it easer to drive on the right hand side of the road in the US virgin islands than try to teach the mules to walk on the other side of the road

      it is like the farmer that plows around a rock at first he plows close then each year he keeps getting farther away till soon he does not plane on the other side of the rock .

      when at first if he would have just picked up the rock he would have been doing the right thing
      instead he choose the esay way out .

      JUST LIKE MOST GOVERMENTS ARE DIONG NOW
      make it easy on themselves not to promote the right thing

    • Shuebydoo

      “Brazilian” sounds sweet
      To my non Brazilian ears, the language sounds pleasant and is easy on the ears. The worst sounding (in my opinion) is Cantonese (they shout not talk).

    • Jacyra

      OUR GRAMMAR IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
      Our modern writers fought for the BRAZILIAN language.
      It was they who broke the Portuguese rules, so know we can use in in a Brazilian way: TE AMO
      instead of awkward AMO-TE, ME CHAMO instead of ugly CHAMO-ME or CHEGAR EM CASA instead of obsolete-sounding CHEGAR A CASA.
      The grammar is different.
      The vocabulary as well.
      And pronunciation too. Continental Portuguese sounds like a mix of Russian and Arabic. Brazilian Portuguese sounds like a mix of French and Italian. I think we should declare the linguistic independence from Portugal just like Dutch Africans did in the Dutch/Afrikaans case. Capeverdeans should adopt the Caboverdian kriol as their native language too, and gave up on Portuguese.

      EntÀƒ£o, portuguesada amolecada, vÀƒ£o pro cafundÀƒ³ do paÀƒ­s de vocÀƒªs e deixem a gente em paz. Viu?

    • PA

      Jacyrona Leprosa
      On anotehr note, you’ve had your shitty country for over 185 yrs & look what it produce garbage like you.
      On the other hadn those that you & most brazuca’s seem to admire like the germans, dutch, irish, etc. wouldn’t even think twice about eradicating you & yours. After all look at their colonization & look at your countries, at the end of the day you & the other ignoramus should be glad of the mixing that went on.
      As Pedro said above look at suriname, indonesia, dutch isles inthe caribean & most of all south africa, the open racism, discrimination, killings, etc. And these are the people that you aspire or admire like the rest of the ignoramus.
      what a joke, laugh, your the laughing stock of South America.
      I believe in GOD & what goes around goes around, teh more people like you that talk the more you deserve the country that you havem until you get it? You will never get out of the filth from top to bottom & vice versa.

    • PA


      written by Anderson, 2008-04-02 10:51:31
      Portugal being a super power or not, Respect the nation, we are their sons, and brothers.
      We do not whish to be like Europeans, and we are not posers
      a poser is someone who thinks he doesnt need someone else.
      PORTUGAL MAY SUCK OR RULE, STILL PORTUGUESE WILL BE MY LANGUAGE FOREVER,
      A nation that only respects “SUPER POWERS” is a nation full of posers, respect Portugal, respect Argentina, respect Africa, and this way maybe we can keep their respect for us.
      How idiodic, Nation full of rebels, with no culture whatsoever.

      Anderson, i truly applaud you in your above comments, if only most brazilians would think like you, they would be on the road to a broader horizon.

    • PA

      written by Anderson, 2008-04-02 11:14:50
      I am of German decent (MY GRANDMOTHER IS GERMAN)
      SOME PEOPLE HAVE A GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER WHO IS GERMAN AND THEY THINK THEY ARE THE BOMB. STILL NOT BEING 100% BRAZILIAN
      I CALL MY SELF, MY KNOWLEDGE, MY ACTS COMPLETLY 100% brazilian
      is anybody here brazilian? OR ARE YOU ALSO CALLING YOURSELF EUROPEAN.

      Anderson, although i agree with most of your post(s) above, i find it funny that you are being way to brazilian, to hilite your German grandmother, how about your other grandparents?
      just because they may not be german? doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t hhilite them also.
      And i find exteremely funny that as you say brzilians find it a bomb to say that they are in some way german, i wonder why?
      i for one don’t see why someone would hilite the fact that they are part of the most barbaric/evil/coldest people on earth that no one in Europe for the most part likes due to the HOLOCAUST, why would anyone even want to be associated with such people is beyond me. And i say the sme for italians, irish in brazil, when most of these people here inthe u.s. were considering yesterday trash/wops/spics/potto heads/drunks.
      But that is brazil isn’t.

    • PA

      Jacyrona Leprosa Maleducadona
      “PORTUGAL, LEAVE OUR LOVELY BRAZZILMAG, GO TO YOUR SH*THOLEwritten by Jacyra, 2008-04-02 12:37:49
      portugal is the poorest country in Europe
      favela da uniÀƒ£o europÀƒ©ia”.
      Now

      They are waiting or you to leave onthe 1st boat so that they can clean up shop.

      Let me enlighten you somewhat, because you seem to be the tipycal uninformed/maleducated Yuca of the brazilian educational system, unless you know of other stats do enlighten us bloggers.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_percentage_of_population_living_in_poverty

      I would hardly call Portugal a poor country by any means in comprison to brazil & many others.
      Knowing the above the Linguarudas should know what to do with their tongue, put it in your asshole & please do not over exert yourself, because you sound lime a dispendada that has to wait for someone to rescue you. How SAD.

    • Shuebydoo

      as someone earlier has pointed out…happy April Fool
      …this is an April Fool’s joke on the gullible.
      See last year’s April 1 2007 article by the same author “BrazilÀ‚´s Eskimos – an Endangered Species” http://www.gringoes.com/articles.asp?ID_Noticia=1748

    • Shuebydoo

      English should be Brazil’s second language
      Brazil should also make English an official second language. The English language possesses the largest vocabulary of all languages and constantly increasing. It is the language of science, technology, medicine and international politics.

    • de Souza

      Non-Brazilian Viewpoint
      Wow. I have often heard that the version of Portuguese spoken in Brazil was different from thet spoken in Portugal but never thought it was radically different as to warrant a separate linguistic classification! I do not speak Portuguese – of either version, but based on what I have read, the version in Brazil is adulterated, just like Brazil itself, with some contribution from the various waves of immigration over the last few centuries, together with that of the indigenous peoples. This scenario is not unique to Brazil however, though Brazil definitely boasts one of the most diverse racial melting pots of all. Having said that, what I gather from this blog is that Brazilians speak a patois form of Portuguese, which in my opinion should not be re-defined to mean a new language because it is not. I can imagine those of German origins would have more German lingo in their language as would those of other origins. The question is who’s version do you adopt. I remember watching “City of God” with friends and we all wondered if they were speaking Portuguese or an African language as it did indeed sound very African, as do people from the caribbean when they speak English or French. I however found Giselle Bundchen’s comment to be extremely ignorant – “After all, if the Germans speak German, the English English and the French French why shouldn’t Brazilians speak Brazilian?” . You’re a beautiful girl Giselle but damn that statement was ignorant 🙂 I love Brazil, but the truth is you can’t deny your Portuguese heritage.

    • Jacyra

      PORTUGAL, LEAVE OUR LOVELY BRAZZILMAG, GO TO YOUR SH*THOLE
      portugal is the poorest country in Europe 😉
      favela da uniÀƒ£o europÀƒ©ia

    • Anderson

      I am of German decent (MY GRANDMOTHER IS GERMAN)

      SOME PEOPLE HAVE A GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER WHO IS GERMAN AND THEY THINK THEY ARE THE BOMB.

      STILL NOT BEING 100% BRAZILIAN

      I CALL MY SELF, MY KNOWLEDGE, MY ACTS COMPLETLY 100% brazilian
      is anybody here brazilian? OR ARE YOU ALSO CALLING YOURSELF EUROPEAN.

    • Anderson

      brazil world wide is know as ????????

      BUTT KISSERS.

    • Anderson

      BRAZILIANS LOVE PEOPLE WHO LAUGH AT THEM
      AND BRAZILIANS HUMILIATE THOSE WHO LOOK UP TO THEM.

      I WAS RAISED LIKE THAT, I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE THAT, AND IM SURE ITS A BIG PERCENTAGE OF US.

      WE LOVE THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIVING WE TRY TO COPY THEM; WE ALSO LOVE EUROPEAN STYLE, AND WE COPY IT.

      why cant we have our own style, WHY CAN’t we stop being posers. (about the adopting ENGLISH)

      THE DAY BRAZIL ADOPTS ENGLISH AS ITS LANGUAGE YOU EUROPEANS MAY DECLARE AS E NEW NATION (name: POSER)
      do you think these rich, fancy living punks, like any of us brazilians ??????? they are disgusted by how we try to copy them.

      WHY CANT WE BE DIFFERENT, why cant we call our language (Brazilian Portuguese) and keep our culture.

      BRAZIL WILL ONLY BE LOVED IF IT STARTS SHOWING RESPECT FOR WEAKER ECONOMIES AND STOP LICKING RICH PEOPLE’S BUTT.

    • Anderson

      some Brazilian say “americans are show off, ignorant etc…; European think they are too good”

      WELL GOOD STEP BRAZIL : YOURE FALLING AMERICAS FOOTSTEP, keep up the good work, when we fall, it wont be so easy.

      Look at what we thought of americans; allways saying that they didnt need anyone, and that they were the best nation in the world.

      they are collapsing before, keep this up and we wont even be able to colapse (we’re not that high yet)

    • Anderson

      Portugal being a super power or not, Respect the nation, we are their sons, and brothers.

      We do not whish to be like Europeans, and we are not posers

      a poser is someone who thinks he doesnt need someone else.

      PORTUGAL MAY SUCK OR RULE, STILL PORTUGUESE WILL BE MY LANGUAGE FOREVER,

      A nation that only respects “SUPER POWERS” is a nation full of posers, respect Portugal, respect Argentina, respect Africa, and this way maybe we can keep their respect for us.

      How idiodic, Nation full of rebels, with no culture whatsoever.

    • Jenny

      “PORTUGAL = BAITA DE UM LIXOwritten by Jacyra, 2008-04-02 08:17:14
      Portugal go home. A gente odeia vocÀƒªs.
      Aloprados! Birutas!

      It seems from your previous posts that you hate eveyone Jacyra, the portuguese, the sulistas, etc. for hwatever your hatred it is not going to change anything regardless.
      If indeed the brazilian potuguese is going to be called brazilian, lets see ehat changes in the country, does that mean that the eductional level, the homelseeness, poverty ig going to get better? How?
      it seems to me that you WREAK of ingnorance like the rest of the shitty/filthy country. in case you didn;’t know you are the latrine of south america, pure trash, & you have nerve of calling others what yoiu are & have been all of your lives.

    • Jacyra

      VIVA MACUNAÀƒÂMA
      -Now lets all jsut wait & see how many countries are goingto adoptthe -brazilian language-

      Well, South Africans changed the name of the language from Dutch to Afrikaans.
      We should do the same. There’s no logic in writing Portuguese (Chamo-me, amo-te, chegou a casa)
      but speaking Brazilian (Me chamo, Te amo, chegou em casa).

      Our language is completely different than the language of Portugal.

    • Jacyra

      PORTUGAL = BAITA DE UM LIXO
      Portugal go home. A gente odeia vocÀƒªs.
      Aloprados! Birutas! 😛

    • John B

      After spending about 5 months in Rio De Janeiro and Volta Redonda , and studying Brazilian Portuguese , I found the language to be most beautiful. I would support the change to Brazilian language since it is the language of the Country. But I would also think that the Schools should teach English to all the students, instead of just the student that can afford to pay to go to private schools.
      So many Native Brazilians could not speak any English, even in the commercial districts of Rio De Janeiro . But all in all it is the most welcoming city I have visited even with all their crime. The Brazilians tried to be helpful speaking Brazilian Portuguese.

    • PA

      -Now lets all jsut wait & see how many countries are goingto adoptthe -brazilian language-

    • PA


      Brazil as a whole is a JOKE, nothing made me laugh more when i lived there for a short time how everyone likes to hilite their other ethnicities in their bloodline whether it exists or not such as german, irish, italina, etc.
      Waht is even funnier is that when brazilains go to those countries they are laughed at, thought of as black, turks, etc.
      And they think that buy calling their spoken language soemthing else, that their importance will grow, can see in what, i’m laughin so hard that i’m falling off my chair-
      Also, how the colonizer stole their riches, etc. If the territory was theirs hos is that stealing?
      I guess the thiefery that has been going on for 185 yrs to today is not theft, it’s ok, just close your eyes.

    • PA

      Anderson
      -A brazilian with common sense, kudos to you-
      I guess brazil hasn’t made any mistakes in 185 yrs, isn’t human nature to know that no one or any one thing is not perfect, why brazilians obsess over their past, as if anything would be different under any other rule, defies logic.
      they are under an impression that they would be arich nation & there would be no problems,etc.
      Even the U.S.A has probelms & not everyone is rich, da.

    • PA

      Jacyra
      For you it’s simple, they should put you on a boat back to where you belong, AFrica, i hear they are doing well & are wecoming their offspring. Let us all know when you’re leaving, so we can wave goodbye.

    • PA

      “Go on and change to your lazy brazilian dialect…written by Viriato, 2008-04-01 16:14:23
      Clearly this is a joke from April’s 1st, however I could care less if this bananas republic called brazil wants to change its official language,…In case you haven’t heard their president speaking pseudo-portuguese, with lots of gramatical errors, and behaving like a retard, then you should, it’s hilarious. In fact, I feel ashamed that a language like Portuguese, which is one of the oldest in Europe and is acclaimed everywhere, where even the Koreans, Japanese and chinese adopted many words, especially in the XVI and XVII centuries, is now being destroyed by a bunch of lazy ass brazilians…go on and change officialy your language, we would be more than happy, in case you haven’t noticed Portuguese is from Portugal, a galaico-portuguese language,…it’s not a s**tty dialect spoken by favelados, ok??”.

      -I second that, couldn’t have said it better. One thing that brazuca’s don’t seem to realize is that the Portuguese people as a whole really don’t give a shit what they are though of by them, brazuca’s are nothing more than trash & wehreever they go they prove it so along with their own country, brazuca’s like to talk about their importance which is really a low self esteem, b/s that they concot.
      At elast the Portuguese people that i know really would welcome it that you stop speaking their language, your eally don’t help nothing at all, you just give it a bad name-.
      So go right ahed change it,t eh world is watching.

    • PA

      “Nothing wrong here…
      written by MPB, 2008-04-01 11:32:06
      Because Brazil will become at least a moderate world power, whereas Portugal will never again amount to anything in the world political game. Plus, Portuguese Portuguese sounds like s**t, but Brazilian Portuguese has a very nice, clear rhythmic sound to it”.

      -How do you know so much about the above, brazil a moderate power, you only wish, we are all holding our breath.
      Portugal will never again be? you must be psychic, lets see when brazil stops being a 3rd world country. Obviosly brazilians don’t get hep from anyone, they do it all on their own.
      As far as to your sound, it’s to cover up the unimportant things most of you have to say.

      The “professor” who made the statement about the dutch is a f**king idiot, and some type of Dutch-phile apparently. How about the fact that the dutch sacked and burned large parts of the territory they took over, including many old public buildings like churches, without ever rebuilding new ones.

    • PA

      Nonsense
      written by Brazilian_Speaker, 2008-04-01 10:12:51
      I suppose the commentator Pedro is a Portuguese guy, judging by his resentment. He thinks Brazil should be proud for speaking an European language. Certainly he is proud of the very recent wave of development provided by the German, French, British and Scandinavian subsidies that promoted Portugal from XIX to XX century. Maybe he still believes that Portugal is a world class superpower? (It makes me laugh). He should study Brazilian instead of laying his resentment about Portugal’s insignificance.
      -Portuguese or not, you should only wish to be Portuguese, the whole problem with brazilians is their low self esteem, which they seem to turn on everyone, what a laugh you are the significanc eof brazil, LOL, you should go aroudnthe world & see what trash you import & they’re leaving by the boatload, ffromthe country that you fell is so important in this world.
      At least they did something in this world, what has your country done, produce sluts, lazy asses. If you don’ tlike what you are do what everyone in brazil does everyday, put a gun to your head or go lay in the hay.”

    • PA


      “written by Pedro, 2008-04-01 09:42:22
      Since you don’t speak Portuguese, I’m gonna comment in English: This arthicle, and this whole magazine for that mather, is a joke. You lack self-esteem and patriotism, otherwise you would love Brazil just the way it is. And your Dutch colonization theory is just laughable. Have you guys been to Indonesia or Suriname, former Dutch colonies? Two s**tty countries, I tell you. You should be proud for speaking an European language, it makes you look less of a third world country.”

      -I couldn’t have said better than you, it never fails to amze me how brazuca’s obsess over the fact of the Dutch & yet choose not to recognize the Portuguese contributions, because after all they are the failures in their own country, as you said above they only choose to acknowledge what suits them, but then again that’s what distinguishes brazilian’s fromthe Portuguese, jsut like CHC says all the time, they lie cheat, steal, & mal educated, etc.
      The Portuguese, HIgh moral character, integrity, sincerity, honesty, hard workers, respectful, etc”.

    • PA


      “written by me, 2008-04-01 18:47:17
      “Um dos traÀƒ§os mais importantes do portuguÀƒªs brasileiro Àƒ© o seu conservadorismo em relaÀƒ§Àƒ£o ÀƒÂ  variante europÀƒ©ia, sobretudo no aspecto fonÀƒ©tico. Um portuguÀƒªs do SÀƒ©culo XVI mais facilmente reconheceria a fala de um brasileiro do SÀƒ©culo XX como sua do que a fala de um portuguÀƒªs.”

      -What a Laugh, I can’t stop laughing, but hen again anything brazuca’s say makes me laugh to no end,just like their importance inthis world-

    • me

      “Um dos traÀƒ§os mais importantes do portuguÀƒªs brasileiro Àƒ© o seu conservadorismo em relaÀƒ§Àƒ£o ÀƒÂ  variante europÀƒ©ia, sobretudo no aspecto fonÀƒ©tico. Um portuguÀƒªs do SÀƒ©culo XVI mais facilmente reconheceria a fala de um brasileiro do SÀƒ©culo XX como sua do que a fala de um portuguÀƒªs.”

    • Jacyra

      vamos parar de cultivar a diglossia, a gente fala brasileiro
      [quote]Mary Kato

      Mas os resultados fornecem uma descriÀƒ§Àƒ£o bastante instigante do que vem mudando no portuguÀƒªs do Brasil, e o conjunto desses resultados Àƒ© uma evidÀƒªncia de que o que ocorre nÀƒ£o Àƒ© um processo de À¢€˜deterioraÀƒ§Àƒ£o da gramÀƒ¡ticaÀ¢€™, como pensam os escolarizados pela Àƒ³tica da gramÀƒ¡tica prescritivista, mas uma reorganizaÀƒ§Àƒ£o interna coerente, uma mudanÀƒ§a radical (paramÀƒ©trica) na lÀƒ­ngua. Entre os aspectos mais extraordinÀƒ¡rios do PB estÀƒ£o o progressivo empobrecimento de sua morfologia flexional, o uso extensivo de categorias vazias cuja identificaÀƒ§Àƒ£o nÀƒ£o pode ser feita atravÀƒ©s da flexÀƒ£o; a falta de mobilidade, ou de movimentos longos, de elementos distintos, como verbos, pronomes interrogativos e clÀƒ­ticos. Por outro lado, mesmo quando a morfologia Àƒ© capaz de identificar um pronome nulo, Àƒ© o pronome lexical que se manifesta. O À¢€˜sujeitoÀ¢€™, seja como a categoria que concorda com o verbo, seja como tÀƒ³pico, pede realizaÀƒ§Àƒ£o fonolÀƒ³gica. Apesar dessa aparente À¢€œdesgramaticalizaÀƒ§Àƒ£oÀ¢€Â do PB, o entendimento entre as pessoas Àƒ© tÀƒ£o perfeito (ou imperfeito) como o que ocorre com falantes do italiano ou espanhol, lÀƒ­nguas de complexa morfologia, cheia de movimentos de subida ou de inversÀƒ£o, ou com falantes de lÀƒ­nguas como o inglÀƒªs ou francÀƒªs, com pouca morfologia flexional e com pouco uso de pronomes nulos.

      A consciÀƒªncia dessas mudanÀƒ§as sistemÀƒ¡ticas, que desembocam em uma lÀƒ­ngua distante de suas irmÀƒ£s romÀƒ¢nicas, atÀƒ© mesmo do portuguÀƒªs de Portugal, Àƒ© necessÀƒ¡ria para entender por que os estudantes escrevem como escrevem e por que a lÀƒ­ngua dos textos escolares, para as camadas que vÀƒªm de pais iletrados, pode parecer tÀƒ£o estranha quanto a de um texto do sÀƒ©culo XVIII para o lingÀƒ¼ista iniciando-se em estudos dacrÀƒ´nicos. O Brasil apresenta assim um caso extremo de À¢€˜diglossiaÀ¢€™ entre a fala do aluno que entra para a escola e o padrÀƒ£o de escrita que ele deve adquirir.[/quote]

      [Mary A. Kato, Como, o que e por que escavar? PortuguÀƒªs Brasileiro. Uma viagem diacrÀƒ´nica, Ian Roberts, Mary A. Kato (orgs.), Campinas, Editora Unicamp, 1993, p. 19-20]

    • Jacyra

      FATOS
      [quote]

      Fernando Tarallo:

      O principal objetivo deste capÀƒ­tulo Àƒ© delinear algumas bases lingÀƒ¼Àƒ­sticas em torno das quais se centrava toda a discussÀƒ£o na virada do sÀƒ©culo, isto Àƒ©: esboÀƒ§ar a emergÀƒªncia de uma gramÀƒ¡tica brasileira que, ao final do sÀƒ©culo XIX, mostrava claras diferenÀƒ§as estruturais em relaÀƒ§Àƒ£o ÀƒÂ  gramÀƒ¡tica portuguesa. Tais diferenÀƒ§as, conforme bem o atestam os trabalhos de Galves tornaram-se ainda mais acentuadas neste final do sÀƒ©culo XX. Quatro grandes mudanÀƒ§as serÀƒ£o aqui apresentadas:

      1. a re-organizaÀƒ§Àƒ£o do sistema pronominal que teve como conseqÀƒ¼Àƒªncias mais importantes a implementaÀƒ§Àƒ£o de objetos nulos no sistema brasileiro de um lado, e sujeitos lexicais mais freqÀƒ¼entes de outro (…);

      2. a mudanÀƒ§a sintÀƒ¡tica ocorrida nas estratÀƒ©gias de relativizaÀƒ§Àƒ£o como conseqÀƒ¼Àƒªncia direta da mudanÀƒ§a no sistema pronominal (…);

      3. a re-organizaÀƒ§Àƒ£o dos padrÀƒµes sentenciais bÀƒ¡sicos (…) e, diretamente relacionado a esta ordem SVO rÀƒ­gida em estado de emergÀƒªncia ÀƒÂ  Àƒ©poca, o enrijecimento do princÀƒ­pio de adjacÀƒªncia na marcaÀƒ§Àƒ£o do acusativo (…);

      4. e, finalmente, uma quarta mudanÀƒ§a no sistema brasileiro, diretamente ligada ÀƒÂ s trÀƒªs anteriores, serÀƒ¡ apresentada como evidÀƒªncia cabal de que os dois sistemas continuam a distanciar-se um do outro: os padrÀƒµes sentenciais em perguntas diretas e indiretas (…)

      Os quatro casos sintÀƒ¡ticos apresentados na seÀƒ§Àƒ£o anterior devem ser tomados como evidÀƒªncia quantitativa de que mudanÀƒ§as dramÀƒ¡ticas aconteceram na passagem do sÀƒ©culo XIX para o atual. Fica claro a partir do retrato oferecido que um novo sistema gramatical À¢€“ chama-se de gramÀƒ¡tica brasileira ou de dialeto com sua prÀƒ³pria configuraÀƒ§Àƒ£o uma vez tratar-se de uma questÀƒ£o meramente ideolÀƒ³gica À¢€“ emergiu ao final do sÀƒ©culo XIX, estabelecendo uma nova gramÀƒ¡tica radicalmente diferente da modalidade lusitana (…)[/quote]

      [Fernando Tarallo, Diagnosticando uma gramÀƒ¡tica brasileira: o portuguÀƒªs dÀ¢€™aquÀƒ©m e dÀ¢€™alÀƒ©m-mar ao final do sÀƒ©culo XIX, PortuguÀƒªs Brasileiro. Uma viagem diacrÀƒ´nica, Ian Roberts, Mary A. Kato (orgs.), Campinas, Editora Unicamp, 1993, p. 70]

    • Jacyra

      VIVA MACUNAÀƒÂMA
      a great article by a Brazilian linguist ENI ORLANDO

      A LÀƒÂNGUA BRASILEIRA:
      [url]http://cienciaecultura.bvs.br/scielo.php?pid=S0009-67252005000200016&script=sci_arttext[/url]

      viva a lÀƒ­ngua brasileira
      viva MacunaÀƒ­ma!
      Portugal vÀƒ¡ pra Cucuia!

    • Jacyra

      lÀƒ­ngua tupiniquim, um sonho de MÀƒ¡rio de Andrade, nosso melhor poeta
      a great article by a Brazilian linguist ENI ORLANDO

      A LÀƒÂNGUA BRASILEIRA:
      http://cienciaecultura.bvs.br/scielo.php?pid=S0009-67252005000200016&script=sci_arttext

      viva a lÀƒ­ngua brasileira
      viva MacunaÀƒ­ma!

    • Jacyra

      eu nÀƒ£o falo feito portuga, amo-te, chamo-me, chego a casa, Àƒ© mÀƒ³ feio falar assim
      A gente num saca portuguÀƒªs de Portugal. As novelas lusitanas sÀƒ£o dubladas p/nossa lÀƒ­ngua.
      We don’t understand continental Portuguese. Portugal soap operas are dubbed into our language.

      PortuguÀƒªs ou Brasileiro – um convite ÀƒÂ  pesquisa:
      http://paginas.terra.com.br/educacao/marcosbagno/liv_portugues_brasileiro.htm

      great book by a Brazilian linguist: MARCOS ARAUJO BAGNO

    • Anderson

      joke
      this article looks like it was made by a rebel who dresses like an american, talks like an american, and thinks america is cooler than brazil (example; doesnt have to be american)

      PORTUEGUESE, TUPI – english shouldnt be part of the multiple choices.

      I would never adopt English as my first language

      Brazilians be proud of what we are, we are of portuguese and european decent

      if it was intended by God that you were discovered by portugal, BRAZILIAN PORTUGUESE is your language. Any other language is a joke to our culture.

      this shows how Brazilians can ruin culture,
      I HATE HOW PORTUGAL HANDLED MY COUNTRY. but just because my father didnt treat me right doesnt mean i have to hate him forever.

      These people look up to us and love us, why must we differenciate what is good, we would lose millions of soccer fans etc…
      Portugal being our parent country, brother country, sister country makes me have more respect for them then anyother country (portugal, angola, Cabo Verde, Ganna) and many others

      English, Americans, Australians : you know what they think of brazilians when we show off on how we speak english = they think we are posers

      IF BRAZIL CHOOSES English == BRAzil=== POSERRRRRRRRRRRR

    • Viriato

      Go on and change to your lazy brazilian dialect…
      Clearly this is a joke from April’s 1st, however I could care less if this bananas republic called brazil wants to change its official language,…In case you haven’t heard their president speaking pseudo-portuguese, with lots of gramatical errors, and behaving like a retard, then you should, it’s hilarious. In fact, I feel ashamed that a language like Portuguese, which is one of the oldest in Europe and is acclaimed everywhere, where even the Koreans, Japanese and chinese adopted many words, especially in the XVI and XVII centuries, is now being destroyed by a bunch of lazy ass brazilians…go on and change officialy your language, we would be more than happy, in case you haven’t noticed Portuguese is from Portugal, a galaico-portuguese language,…it’s not a shitty dialect spoken by favelados, ok??

    • SqueezeOne

      History Written by the Winners
      One thing that people are ignoring is the fact that the only reason Portuguese is what it is in Portugal is because the people that had the power in that country decided the way that THEY spoke was the “right” way. That’s how language works in history. French in it’s basic form as it is today was only spoken by a minority of people inhabiting what is now France…it’s just that they held the wealth and power so they decided their language would be what is “correct”. As a result many other languages and dialects of the region have died due to either outright oppression or institutional discouragement. Look at the Scots language for another prime example. It’s not bad or good (although the way some governments have approached it in history is a different story), it’s just how life works.

      I realize this is probably a joke article, but from a linguistic and historical perspective this wouldn’t be a completely bizarre event were it actually happening. Brazil has power over itself and it’s language IS completely different from Portugal’s to the point where they’re only marginally understandible (I can’t understand the Portuguese at ALL!!). It’s almost like hearing Italian or Spanish from the perspective of a Portuguese speaker. Same root language but different specifics.

    • Mario

      Happy April 1st.

      I’m Portuguese aware of our past and current mistakes (living in Asia for 14 years and currently living in UK helps keeping things in perspective) but overall I couldn’t be more proud of my ancestry (and its accomplishments) and the potential of modern Portuguese people in the modern world.

      Without the Portuguese today’s Brasil as such would not exist just like without celts, romans, goths, moors, etc, today’s Portugal would not exist. And… without Brasil, Portuguese people would have died bored by our novelas in the past 25 years.

      “Plus, Portuguese Portuguese sounds like s**t, but Brazilian Portuguese has a very nice, clear rhythmic sound to it.” I generally agree with BP being more rhythmic then PP (but we are ignoring all the possible PP dialects, some of which much more melodious then standard PP) but to conclude that PP sounds like shit… it’s definitely a debatable conclusion. I personally have the impression (and heard) that many spanish-speaking people find PP “a sweet language” (quote by Cervantes).

    • Bill

      “He has also written about the discrimination practiced against Brazil’s population of Eskimo/Inuit descent.”

      This article has got to be an April fool’s joke.

      😉 😉 😉 😉

    • european

      Brazilian portuguese is an indo-european language
      “Brazilian” or “Brazilian Portuguese”? The language is in any case a latin language!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_languages

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language

    • toto

      first of aBril
      Ahahahaha!!! Nice 1st of abril joke! an article that cites Gisele Bunchen, Luciana Gimenez and some obscure professor from Parana can’t get no credits. Besides Fulton Philips who worte “Tupi ir not tupi” (more laughs) doesn’t exist !!!

    • Michael

      Given the current or recurrent move to unifiy spelling rules and accent marks of the Portuguese language, and the date on which the article was posted, I must ask the obvious: was this article meant as an April fools’ joke?

    • MPB

      Nothing wrong here…
      Because Brazil will become at least a moderate world power, whereas Portugal will never again amount to anything in the world political game. Plus, Portuguese Portuguese sounds like shit, but Brazilian Portuguese has a very nice, clear rhythmic sound to it.

      The “professor” who made the statement about the dutch is a fucking idiot, and some type of Dutch-phile apparently. How about the fact that the dutch sacked and burned large parts of the territory they took over, including many old public buildings like churches, without ever rebuilding new ones.

    • Brazilian_Speaker

      Nonsense
      I suppose the commentator Pedro is a Portuguese guy, judging by his resentment. He thinks Brazil should be proud for speaking an European language. Certainly he is proud of the very recent wave of development provided by the German, French, British and Scandinavian subsidies that promoted Portugal from XIX to XX century. Maybe he still believes that Portugal is a world class superpower? (It makes me laugh). He should study Brazilian instead of laying his resentment about Portugal’s insignificance.

    • Tiago

      Haha April’s Fool. Eu falo PortuguÀƒªs!

    • Pedro

      Since you don’t speak Portuguese, I’m gonna comment in English: This arthicle, and this whole magazine for that mather, is a joke. You lack self-esteem and patriotism, otherwise you would love Brazil just the way it is. And your Dutch colonization theory is just laughable. Have you guys been to Indonesia or Suriname, former Dutch colonies? Two shitty countries, I tell you. You should be proud for speaking an European language, it makes you look less of a third world country 🙂

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