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Tit for Tat: Brazil Fights Back and Sends 8 Spaniards Back Home

International airport of Salvador, Bahia, Brazil International airport of Salvador, Bahia, Brazil

International airport of Salvador, Bahia, Brazil Immigration officials in Brazil turned back eight Spanish tourists this Friday, March 8, a day after the country expressed disappointment to Spain over the high number of Brazilians that are being rejected at the Madrid Barajas airport.

The eight Spaniards, five men and three women, arrived from Madrid to Salvador in the northeastern state of Bahia, indicated reports from the Globo television network.

According to the Brazilian federal police, the eight Spaniards, among which three tourism agents, were impeded from entering Brazil because of irregularities in their travel documents and for not having declared all the money they carried.

The incident occurs a day after the Brazilian Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in an official communiqué that it "was examining adopting appropriate measures in response to what has been happening, taking into account, inclusively the principle of reciprocity."

The release referred to the recent turning back of thirty Brazilians who were not allowed into Spain at Barajas airport. The Brazilian Foreign Office expressed its deepest "disappointment" and "dissatisfaction with the issue," of the Brazilians rejected by Spain.

The release also mentioned that Foreign Affairs minister Celso Amorim had talked about the issue "a few weeks ago" with his Spanish counterpart Miguel Angel Moratinos and expressed personally the "dissatisfaction" of the Brazilian government with the "repeat of such restrictive measures."

According to Brazilian media, in February alone Spain turned back 452 Brazilians who had arrived at Barajas airport.

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  • dnbaiacu

    Further thought on Prostitution.
    Duh?…..If prostitution is legal ( except for minors).. REGULATE IT! All prostitutes should be registered. Have a license of some sort. Non compliance will subject one to a fine or jail. Standardize the rates. SE VALORIZAR.!!!!! I say this all the time my cousins and friends 😉 What a double standard! Legal , unregulated prostitution . Then cry about it as a problem.

  • dnbaiacu

    On Prostitution… The Real Deal
    I fail to understand all the hype about prostiitution.. It goes on and has gone on since the beginning of time in most nations that are not still tribal in nature.
    From a purely statistical standpoint is Brazil appears to be disproportionately affected by this problem ,.But that only says that overall its female and male population that chooses to engage in this form of “commerce” are A LOT more intelligent with their sexuality overall than those unmarried sexually active populations of other nations.that chose to get nothing out of substance or “tangible” out of a sexual encounter , which is utltimately an expense of energy.
    Developed countries that have the problem , only masked and hidden a lot better ,aren’t any more less “disgusting”.
    Maybe the Brazilian “probem” just shows a conscious decision on the part of the prostitute that , “Hey, if I am going to have sex I might as well get paid for it”.
    Are the sexually active men , women and children, of more developed countries any smarter, or more moral ,for not demanding something more than a promise or an orgasm,,if that?!!!?
    Who is being the smarter CAPITALIST if they aren’t married? One can still get pregnant, catch STD’s , and suffer emotionally not charging a penny. But again, who really is having sex without “some sort of transaction” emotional or otherwise. So if you are giving up your energy anyway, why not chare a euro or a dollar?
    Further, does anyone think that these women or girls first sexual experience was with a john? .. I think not! All out prostitution is a conscious choice ,in most instances ,after already consenting to,or having sex forced on them. So prostitution really begins at home and in the community. Brasil is very open and accepting of adultery in all social classes.. This is the real issue. Address the culture before attacking the resulting problems. More developed countries just have more money to hide the effects of an immoral adulterous society.. That is the ONLY difference say between Brasil and any Western European country and the U.S.Better access to abortion and more effective forms of contraceptives.

    Prostituiton is ultimately a CHOICE. No human has to participate in it to survive. No matter how poor they are. A beautiful virgin is going to command a higher price any day. And “SOMEONE” will find her worth enough to MARRY. The key is to KEEP that chasity .. Be proud of it . And advertise it.!!!Have the government try promoting these values for a change.
    Brasil is blessed with a high proportion of beautiful people.”Exotic,” by European and North American standards .This is a fact.
    If these people give themselves away for a dollar or a euro, no one can really control that overall
    Yet fiscal policy can control that to greater degree. . Make Brasil “LESS AFFORDABLE” ! Johns come to Brazil simply because there is more beauty or youth for the price. Brasil is a BARGAIN. You are going to pay for sex either way it goes. Married men pay their wives all the time. It is just “convenient sex”. Especially proven if he ends up being a cheater.
    It’s time to feel more sorry for unmarried people that “don’t” have sex for money.
    The powers that be in Brasil know that prostition of all kinds is part of the economy. And they have beautiful people to keep drawing an international crowd. THIS is why they turn their faces away. This has and has always been about the MONEY.
    Again ,, change fiscal policy in Brasil , if possible. And the prostitution problem will take care of itself. Tourists will stay at home and deflower their own little girls and boys. Who in turn will sell themselves because it just makes better sense than to “give it away” on some cheap promise.

  • forrest allen brown

    WHAT WE NEED
    IS FOR THE COMON PEOPLE TO BE INCHARGE OF THERE OWN GOVERMENT

    hold open elections on there pay and retirement ,
    vote on pro pay for the ones that do there jobe the right way .
    get rid of the so called surprime court judges and get younger ones that know how the pople live not just there rich friends
    put them on the same retirmet and social security we have
    take away there limos , congresonal lunch room &bank
    make them pay taxes on gufits and there so called lectures .
    dont allaow sepical instrest people to have closed axess to them
    only let them be in office 8 years .
    and if they run for priesident they have to give up there sente or congresonal seat.
    they should have to fly coach in standard air lines .
    the total election from the first to finish will be only 6 months

  • Ivo

    You’re right Brazilian…
    Brazilian you’re right…

    We will probably learn …..the day we stop stereotyping and passing final judgement.
    Especially when we judge without using our God given gift to rationalize. But its human nature to judge….when you live in a world where those who are supposed to protect you …..are robbing you blind …you eventually become judgemental….its a quick and easy way to protect yourself from trouble.

    Note with due respect: Statistics was my aim to show that before people pass judgement on …..against Brazilians at Spanish Airports …..and against White South Africans for being completely evil …..they should explore/research a situation before they make up their mind….it seems logical and to me ….oh well ….it seems a dignified way of showing respect to the person/s in question.

    JoÀƒ£o: Thank you for your compliments… But be very carefull when investing in South Africa.there are restrictions about money gained leaving the country. You should look carefully into that.

    Forrest allen brown: The very same thing is happening in Portugal….exactly the same! The difference is that its kept secret…and since the Dictatorship of Salazar (in Portugal) there is political interference in the News. Actually if you take away the “piadas” against the Portuguese…the culture of politics ( “….desvios e o … ninguem sabe de nada…”) you will see that its exactly the same as in Brazil.
    In the end of the day people just get tired of all the rubbish ….and start ignoring the fact that those thieves are actually supposed to be working/protecting the people…not pursuing their personal agendas!

  • Brazilian

    Nothing is done with violence
    It is the first time I read this site. I ve found very interesting the opinions here. Many people here showed a lot of knowledge publishing numbers and statistics, also they personal view of the problem and their understanding of history. I liked to know their truth. My message is people is just people whatever their nationality. When will we learn this?

  • forrest allen brown

    look to chaves land
    IVO
    look to russia see how it is coming along after 50 years of dicatorship
    look to the middle east see how they have to buy everthing as there old kingdom and religon has held them back
    look at the belgum gongo after they were free from belgum

    with proper leadership it can be fast but most that come in power after such a deal se the money and start to rob the goverment some times worse than the dicatitor did .
    hencs you get brazil

  • João da Silva

    Ivo
    [quote]Forgive me if I bored you…but its important to know the Afrikaaners were wrong to emphasize and label seggregation originally introduced by the British…but they never exterminated the Africans in any way like the British/Australians did with the Aborigines …etc….[/quote]

    No, Ivo, you did not bore me at all. In fact it was fascinating to read your comments and thanks for taking your precious time off to clarify my questions. As I said before you are the first person who is South African born in this site. I have been to a couple of African countries, including S.Africa (though for short durations) and I found your country to be much better developed than the rest.From what I read, Zimbawe was good too until Mugabe destroyed its economy. The people talk so much about BRIC countries and I find it interesting that nobody mentions about the potentials of S.Africa. I still remember that when the Apartheid was about to end, many pundits were predicting a civil war.It did not happen. I intend researching more about S.African economy.

    As for our “Dictatorship”, I would rather call it “Military Government” and was quite different from Chile and Argentina. Even Ch.c grudgingly acknowledges that during that period, our economic growth was far above what it is today and probably you have heard about the “Brazilian miracle”. Now the young Brazilians are fleeing Brazil, because of lack of opportunities. During the time of the “Miracle”, Brazil did receive qualified people from other countries including Portugal and some of them still live here contributing to Brazil. If you meet a Brazilian kid in his 20À‚´s in London and complains about the “Ditadura”, please ask him the names of the Brazilian Presidents between 1964 and 1990. You will discover that he is a “ChorÀƒ£o”! Regardless, it is time for the Brazilians to get over the “trauma” of the “Dictatorship” which is nothing but a tool for the politicians to catch votes!!

    Thanks once again for your info on S.Africa and look forward to be in touch.

  • Ivo

    Continued …Padeces….!
    CONTINUED

    A report after the war concluded that 27,927 Boers (of whom 24,074 [50% of the Boer child population] were children under 16) had died of starvation, disease and exposure in the concentration camps. In all, about one in four (25%) of the Boer inmates, mostly children, died!!! And in the black camps…. It is thought that about 12% of black African inmates died (about 14,154) but the precise number of deaths of black Africans in concentration camps is unknown as little attempt was made to keep any records of the 107,000 black Africans who were interned.

    The decision to use the Concentration camps ( by falsely calling them refugee camps ) and the Scorched Earth policy by burning the Afrikaaner farms was to was to try and isolate the Afrikaaner Guerrilas called the “Commandos”. Who were destroying the Britsh Strongholds in nightime attacks. And it eventually worked!

    So as you can see after the War the Afrikaaners LOST EVERYTHING even their loved ones because the British wanted their Gold! That is the truth and if you don’t believe me just research it!

    The negative things of the war was that the Traumatized Afrikaaner minds became radical and enforced seggregation “originally introduced by the British” in 1948 and naming it Apartheid when South Africa became independant in the 1960’s.

    Other interesting things is that Americans were involved in this War against the British Empire they were in a group called the ” Irish Transvaal Brigade”. Most of the Brigade were “Irish and Irish-American” miners living in the Afrikaaner Republic!
    The other interesting thing is that the word “COMMANDO” used knowadays refers to the original Afrikaaner Commandos that almost destroyed the Britsh empire!
    The word was adopted by no other that “Sir Winston Churchill” during the Second World War to form a “Special Guerilla type group to sabotage the Nazis”.
    And Why?….because “Sir Churchill was actually involved in the 2nd Boer War and was captured and imprisoned by the “Boer Commandos”. He feared and yet admired their tactics that after escaping as a POW from the Afrikaaners he never forgot how effective they really were!

    Forgive me if I bored you…but its important to know the Afrikaaners were wrong to emphasize and label seggregation originally introduced by the British…but they never exterminated the Africans in any way like the British/Australians did with the Aborigines …etc….

    Read… research…. and make up your mind….BUT ITS THE TRUTH!!!!

  • Ivo

    “PadeÀƒ§es”
    JoÀƒ£o…you’re spot on …its “ChorÀƒµes” when used with humor knowadays but when it was first used it was to relate to the suffering of the Afrikaaners.
    The name was used by the portuguese for the afrikaaners because in the 1900’s after the 2nd Anglo-Boer War they struggled to survive. The Anglo-Boer War was a disaster for the Afrikaaners not only did they loose their official identity with the British expansion but they also lost their moral and many of their possesions and land.
    The impetus of Apartheid was emotionally driven by the humiliation and the Radical (aggressive) hunger to overcome their suffering at the hands of the British after the Anglo-Boer War. The Afrikaaners were so desperate to develop an identity that they formed the “BroederBond” with the goal of ensuring economic and political prosperity.
    It was never meant to target the Black poeple on its original proposal but to overcome the British dominion over the Afrikaaners/Boers !
    Unfortunately as we all know …in time the weaker unorganized groups got nailed!

    You’re probably wondering why the Afrikaaners hated the British….well let me summarize their reasons. The Afrikaaners had formed a Republic in the North of South Africa which was known as the “South African Republic (Transvaal Republic)”. In the begining no one gave a rat’s ass about the Republic but the minute Gold was discovered in 1886 within the Afrikaaner Republic the British Empire did everything to get control of it!

    Lets just say that to some extent it was a scenario to go to War so Shocking and Unjust that the current Iraq crisis is a “minor blip” in comparison…..and why? Because there was no “Evil dictator ” like Saddam Hussein in the Afrikaaner Republic and at no point was there a threat that the Afrikaaners would attack the BritishEmpire!
    The British just wanted that Gold …and hell did they get it….
    At one point the British were actually starting to loose the War when Mozambique (Portugal) was allowing weapons etc to go through its territory to the Afrikaaner Republic. But Britain made a deal with Portugal that if they stopped helping the Afrikaaners they would help Portugal against Germany .(At the time Germany wanted to invade parts of the portuguese colonies of Mozambique and Angola) so Portugal agreed to shut the door!
    And soon the British started to dominate….(but even then some portuguese secretly still helped the Afrikaaners but on a very small scale) ….but they were still struggling to beat the Afrikaaners/Boers . So they introduced to the World the “Concentration Camp” and the “Scorched Earth Policy” which many people think was the idea of Hitler! But in reality it was the British Empire’s desperate attempt to destroy the Afrikaaners/Boers.
    They took all the women and children from the Afrikaaners’ farms and they locked them up in “filthy-unhygienic” Concentration camps.
    About 93,940 Boers ( Boer =Afrikaans word for farmer) and 24,457 black Africans were locked up in these camps ….and many Died !!!

  • bo

    tried to embed….didn’t work. Here is the link.

    http://video.globo.com/Videos/Player/Noticias/0,,GIM801516-7823-ASSIM NO BRASIL COMO NA ESPANHA,00.html

  • bo

    Em meu pais!!!
    Don’t you think that appears very unprofessional for him to be saying….”in my country”? Shouldn’t he be saying, “In Brazil you are required to have A,B,C,D, etc?

    Appears as if it’s a personal issue, rather than an administrative one. LOL! 😀

  • jon

    Toto, the ambassador of boring
    Montreal, Canada boring??…. I guess you don’t travel much and you have an adversion to pretty French-Canadian girls!!!!

  • João da Silva

    [quote]”PadeÀƒ§es”[/quote]

    wimps? (ChorÀƒµes). As you know, PortuguÀƒ©s from Portugal is quite different from ours. Clue us all in. It was an interesting response from you and permit me to reflect and respond tomorrow!

  • Ivo

    Did you know….
    Os portugueses especialmente …..os Madeirenses tinham o costume de chamar os Afrikaaners de “PadeÀƒ§es” ….does anyone here know why?

  • Ivo

    Dictatorship and South Africa
    JoÀƒ£o
    With regards to Dictatorship …its impossible to think that the residual effects will disappear with the next generation. There is always a transitional period where economic stagnation will occur. Most often you will be in situations where foreign investment will be slow to enter the changing economy due to World perception. So generalized growth will be impaired to a degree. The other is the slow process of moving from centralized micro-economics to a broader economic structure due to the need to borrow money with unpredictable interest rates.
    Dictatorships are plagued with favouritism and most often they will focus on what a country has in place with regards to skilled labourers. Its the easy route and results will be positive in the short term. But by implementing a focalized economic growth reforms the market develops a distorted industrial system benefiting only a few in big centers!! With time it changes but then other key problem is that every dictatorship driven economy will bring its “elite” that will consistently resist meaningful change! This resistance eventually collapses but not without a time delay in development and growth which will slow the next generation’s rise. There are other factors involved such as trade deficits… the inevitable debt to fund internal development (with the added interest rates) and inflation.

    JoÀƒ£o

    With regards to South Africa the former goverments Social policy was flawed from the begining. The Apartheid policy as you will know was to create a (pseudo-)environment where different races could develop in a Segregated society . Sometimes I can’t believe that the “Social Engineers” from the university of Stellenbosch ignored the obvious fact that their system was going to promote racial tension/hatred.
    Let me give you the straight facts ….in Apartheid the white was the master. He had the clean school…highly qualified teachers and a scholastic curriculum of the highest standard. He went to School in his school’s uniform and the education was holistic in terms of academics; sport etc…
    May God forgive me for being so straight forward …but the underlying dogma was that the whites (especially the Afrikaaners) were inferior to no one. And a lot of people lived by this ! Especially the Afrikaaners who suffered economically in the early 1900’s .At one point there was even a degree of discrimination against the portuguese immigrants and refugees from the colonial wars in Angola and Mozambique.

    I have to admit that when I was in University in Pretoria where the medium used was Afrikaans I experienced a degree of discrimination for being portuguese. My father wanted me to get the best education possible and the majority of the goverment’s funding in those days was in Pretoria. So it was the obvious choice.
    The goverment did provide schools and some universities (eg university of medunsa for medicine etc) to the black majority but it was always inferior to the white’s educational facilities.

    I thank God with all my heart that I spent almost 6 years of my childhood in the Island of Madeira where a few of my friends were of mixed race. I’m still convinced that my time in Madeira saved me and my brothers from becoming racists !

    I could go on about Apartheid and the “Broederbond’s social plan” but I’d spend my whole life in front of this computer.

    JoÀƒ£o; I hope this answers your questions.

  • forrest allen brown

    what a woman does to her own body is her to say
    yes i nbeleive this even the church has had its whore and still does
    what make it a crime is it could be prevented buy the state through
    propre school , better pay ,
    making men take more responsibilty to there kids that they father and leave

    as now women sell there bodies to feed there kids
    they cant find a job that pays as much .
    have to give up there bodies to there boss to keep there jobs
    not smart enough to gain employment
    to lazy to work
    to buy drugs
    like the life style

    in some cases mothers sell there kids into the field

    yes make it legal but watch over it
    in houndras all women and men have to go to the clnic ever month to get a test if they fail they are out of work till
    is crued if they have aids than no more sex for sale

  • João da Silva

    Ivo
    I have been following your comments and I do appreciate your defending Brazil and the Brazilians. Indeed we need positive thinking bloggers such as your good self. However I would like to ask you two questions.

    1) You mentioned that:[quote]Unfortunately Brazil’s poeple are still recuperating from the years of Dictatorship they suffered under.[/quote]

    What makes you think so, bearing in mind that most of the kids that are fleeing Brasil were not even BORN during the “Dictatorship”? Please do remember that the “Dictatorship” lasted 21 years and ended on April 21, 1985. For 23 years since then, our kids have been having plenty of opportunities to exercise their rights as well as express their opinions freely to turn Brazil into a true democracy, contributing to building of a great nation. Why are not they doing and instead fleeing the country?

    2) In another thread titled “What Brazil Can Learn from the US on Race and Education”, I commented:

    [quote]Before I comment further, I would like to invite some South African bloggers (if any) to tell us how the quality and accessibility of education during and after the “Apartheid”.
    [/quote]

    Since you are a South African by birth, I would like your opinion on this.

    Thanks and look forward to your comments.

  • Shelly1

    Forrest
    [quote]for the men and boys that use thies women than call them names that is the shame of brasil
    for congress to see this and do nothing about it that is a crime ajusnt brasil and showing there lack of humanity for there own[/quote]

    Sorry for the mistake above, but the point Ivo made was clear and yours too. Unify both answers and you will see that the prostitution of minors in Brazil (or older women) is a downright disgusting act. Filthy and immoral are those who turn their face the other way and those Europeans North Americans who come over to Brazil to abuse children. In this case my friend, two wrongs don’t make a right.

  • Shelly1

    For the men and boys that use thies women than call them names that is the shame of brasil
    for congress to see this and do nothing about it that is a crime ajusnt brasil and showing there lack of humanity for there own

  • forrest allen brown

    typical American aggression JOAO
    it is confused with wanting to be treated like most people

    after moving around like i have most of my life and seeing the different way and price i get
    charged for the same thing as the belongers is to be aggresion .

    for the police to stop and charge money for me to drive down the road ?
    for the IBAMA to show up at my farm wanting to inspect my chicken coup too see if is dumping waste in the river ( i have 17 chickens with a concrete floor )
    and trying to fine me and the river is 3.5 kl away from my house .
    the eletric company charging money too me for the sain terras gato electiry while they camped out in front of my land , stoled my water , blocked my driveway .
    dumped trash all over the place , called my wife and her family whores , and other things , while walking behind them in the markets in town .
    and get no help from the police when they ask for help
    well i guess i have the typical american aggression

    any woman that has to sell her self for food money to feed her kids because the state has failed her is no whore
    for the ypung girl that sells herself to help build a float in the prade at carnavil because of pride in her favela , dont know what to think about that one

    for the men and boys that use thies women than call them names that is the shame of brasil
    for congress to see this and do nothing about it that is a crime ajusnt brasil and showing there lack of humanity for there own

  • Ivo

    Why I think Chc needs to get a life!
    I have to admit that ….I did waste valuable seconds of my life reading your mono-dimensional drivel!

    You mention facts a seven year old could pick up from the local library….thats ok…but you seem to ignore the long-term effects of the privatization reforms implemented.
    Natural resources obviously has its limitations…but you would have to be quite naive to ignore the market range it will produce.

    To keep it short….If Brazil is so totally crap sunshine…… then why is it that the world’s richest man doesn’t share your views? read the following…http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSN1821878820071018 maybe you’ll enjoy it or maybe it will just bounce off your ego.
    Crime will eventually die out (no pun intended)….and then what will people like good old Mr Chc come up with….”Weapons of mass destruction or something in those lines…Hey?

    Listen man…. just lie down and keep telling yourself that you’re right …and who knows maybe someday you’ll convince yourself!

    There is no doubt that if Brazil develops a complete overhaul of their education system driven by transparent internal investment in the lines of what occurred in Japan and Germany after the Second World War …who knows the heights they could reach!
    Not too long ago Portugal …was seen as the loosers of Europe prior to joining the EU….and guess what happened next…people like you are finally starting to notice their presence (as small as it may be) …So why can’t Brazil do the same ?

    With regards to the whole “Tourist” and “Illegal Immigration” problems and the the very Sad prostitution issues I can’t understand howcome people like you have the audacity to refer to Brazil a land of “… Filthy, Cheaters and Liars than Brazilians there is not”?
    Smoke on this one …Chc who is filthier ….the woman who looses her self respect to get money to survive…or the highly sophisticated European who exploits her vulnerability?

    The Social injustices in Brazil will take time to improve ….but that doesn’t mean that Brazilians as filthy as you may think they are …are not worthy of being treated with respect!

  • João da Silva

    Jennifer
    [quote]Help me understand this issue without the typical American aggression [/quote]

    Here I agree with ya. The Americans are typically obnoxious and aggressive.ThankS God, you found it out soon. However, I am requesting Bo and Admiral Forrest to clarify this issue further as they are bilingual and will be happy to explain to you (unless you have something against the West Virginians and Texans).

    Talking about American Aggression, it is nothing compared with that of the Swiss who pretend to be neutral, but they are not.

    All the best in your efforts to understand this complex problem.

  • toto

    Arrogant spaniard and boring swiss
    Even though some Brazilians probably deserved to be sent back, it is a shame what the Spain immigration dept is doing to those going to Europe to attend seminars and scientific events. This cannot happen.

    Chc, Switzerland is ranked by next to Canada in the list of the most boring countries in the world. I rather die killed in Copacabana by a “bala perdida” than anywhere near Geneva.

    Chc, as a revenge against you and Spain, Guga is going to use his last year to win Roland Garros and beat Nadal in the semis and Federer in the final in straight sets.

  • Ivo

    BTW pardon my Crap spelling!

  • Ivo

    Jennifer…you should check the Record News site…the only problem is that I’m not sure if they have an english version.

    I saw the News here in London…and guess what… 2 of the passengers interviewed were Students.The most recent case about 4 days ago was that of a young PhD student who was going to present a paper in Lisbon. Unfortunately his flight had a connection via Madrid and the rest was “music”…

    I’m going to sound like a an old broken record …but its time that Brazilians got RESPECT…not all the men are drug runners ..and not all the women are prostitutes!

    By now poeple reading my e-mails will start wondering…”Yeah right another Brazilian trying to safe face!…”.
    That couldn’t be further from the truth …I’m South African by birth and Portuguese by origin…born in Cape Town because my father had to seek refuge from the Dictatorship in Portugal in the 1960s. I’m proud of being Portuguese and prouder for knowing that “Brasil” is growing into the Country it was always meant to be. The British had their turn and the Americans are flying high (something they deserve for their thriving nature)…but all of a sudden Brazil’ debts have been paid. They have enough resources to live independently from the rest of the World and yet they still get treated like rubbish? ?? NO! IT MUST STOP!
    Here in the UK ….Before the Brazilians the Portuguese were treated like trash whenever they arrived at Heathrow. Thats why many portuguese communities in the Uk try to help Brazilians where they can. A similar situation occurred in the USA and even in Portugal (vergonha total virar a cara ao nosso sangue). Its obvious/logical that local economies must produce jobs for its own citizens. But that doesn’t give them the right to drag everyone togheter like a bunch of animals and send them off!

    DID YOU KNOW?….that not too long ago Australians and New Zealanders were treated like Trash when they arrived at Heathrow…..and nowadays the thousands of British immigrating to Australia are Despised beyond believe!
    What goes around ….comes around….

  • João da Silva

    Ch.c
    Gee, I did not expect that you would burst your piles after reading my simple and thought provoking comments :sad:. However, in response:

    [quote]At what Brazilian University did you go ? [/quote]

    The same one you did 😉

    [quote]Russia population is….147 millions !!!!! [/quote]

    Old knowledge dies hard. Like your confusing Miles and KMs, I have a problem of confusing the population of the U.S.S.R and modern day Russia. 😀

    [quote]Additional sarcasms not necessary…..from my side !
    Hmmmmm ![/quote]

    In spite of making this statement, you broke your promise and went on commenting further 😮

    On a serious tone: the numbers and the stats are very good for analyzing the current situation, identifying problems, coming out with alternative solutions and to fix the problems.A good manager has to know it and can not close his eyes and pretend that there are no problems at all and “all is blau”. This is applicable to a country as well as businesses (Not to forget families too).

    I can go on talking about it for days, but would like to end the discussion by saying that we do have serious “Managerial Problem”. This will not be solved unless (quoting Forrest from another thread):

    [quote]all peoples need to stop and look at the not so merry road the ones incharge ard paving for themselves
    like i have said before .
    THEY SEE THEMSELVES AS THE NEW ROLITY AND WE ARE HERE TO SERVE THEM WITH OUR LIVES IF NEED BE . [/quote]

    It is an extremely interesting advice Forrest gave and worth reflecting upon. Another advice he specifically meant for you is to “stop jumping on JoÀƒ£o”, which you are not likely to accept 😉

    btw, I am still awaiting you response to my question about Vietnam in another thread 🙁

  • Ivo

    Things will change!
    Unfortunately Brazil’s poeple are still recuperating from the years of Dictatorship they suffered under. Its an unavoidable truth that the individuals who have no jobs will try and enter the richer countries. But the incident in Spain was that many of those sent back were actual tourists or students in transit. The sex trade is Brazil’s biggest embarrassement but as we speak things are being planned to bring it under control.With regards to the Spaniards the Brazillian government would never retaliate if the refusal of tourists was flawed. I remember arriving in Heathrow about 3 years ago and I had the pleasure of meeting and translating for “Dunga”. He had just arrived in the same flight as me but was held back.Fortunately he head a letter confirming his reason for visiting the UK. But one thing he said which I’ll never forget was that …”…esta gente daqui entra no Brasil e faz o que quer… “.The worst part was that the woman checking his papers wasn’t even British by origin …she was Indian lady who had one hell of an accent. I don’t want to discriminate…but its time that poeple started respecting Brazil. Times are changing and Brazil’s economic growth and geographical position will soon make it the place to be!.It won’t happen soon …but its going. The bottom line is …”you wan’t to play…then no problem …lets play…”

  • Jennifer

    Help me out…
    Can someone give me a site where I can get additional information on this issue? All I can find is the blurb from the United Press International which gives NO details… You guys are talking about prostitution, illegal immigration, sex slaves, less desirables but what I heard was the 30 that were recently turned back – some were students who were trying to attend a conference…. Help me understand this issue without the typical American aggression and only the actual facts. If any of you know them.

  • forrest allen brown

    chc
    stop jumping on Joao and go after the ones that did you rong

    did he rob you , not pay you for sex ,tell us all why you hate brasil as much as you do pleas

    i dont like certin brasilians but as a country as a mass out of 147.000.000 you should have met one worth building a mermory
    around .
    and every country has its bones to hide
    look at yours , all the jews that died in ww2 , yours kept there money and left there sorviors to starv to death , and not be able to build homes , business after the war whitch slowed germanys groth after ww2
    how much art work and glod is still setting in banks in your country that does not belong to you .
    look at belgum the largest slave nation in the world because of the king at that time has one dime of help ever been given for all the rong they did .
    even japan has started paying the koreans thay they used a sex slaves in ww2 .
    so pleas tell me and the others here why you are so mad at brasil

  • ch.c.

    To Joao…again and your “The country is blessed with so many natural resources…etc”
    I thought you were smarter !

    Switzerland, Japan, Sweden, France, Italy,Spain, Portugal just to name a few are wealthy and developed countries !
    Correct or not ?
    Welll….none of them have been blessed with…so many natural resources…to my knowledge.

    Simple proof, once more, that it is not what you have in your ground or purse that counts, but what you do with.
    And history has always proven that what is in the human minds is worth far more that what is in the ground.

    I will simply conclude that as high are the actual commodities….is simply because there was and still is a US$ losing its value and you were eager to amass against hard assets. On top of that America also exported their subprimes toxics to the others more developed nations…we were eager to amass…better yet with a huge leverage!!!! Including my country….as you know ! 😀 😉
    This said, after America inflation, commodities prices TODAY in US$ are not any higher than 30 years ago… not including the US$ depreciation ! Meaning that in more stable and valuable currencies, commodities prices today are much cheaper than 30 years ago………. even BEFORE inflation !
    Let me just show you where you can effectively see long term commodities price charts (several decades) and not medium term prices only (2 to 5 years)….in US$ :
    http://www.mrci.com/pdf/charts.asp
    I just remind you that what worth US$ 1.– 30 years ago should be worth at least 2,50 today….after inflation in the depreciated US$ currency !!!
    Enjoy the viewing and the learning of the sad facts and reality that ALL commodities producing governmenst will….NEVER SHOW YOU …..on purpose !

    😉 😀 😉

    I have access to similar charts…after inflation in US$, prices in various strong currencies both before and after inflation.
    The long term downward spiral is even far more impressive…even at today high prices !!!.

  • ch.c.

    To Joao and your “Brazil…..a population less than U.S., Russia”
    At what Brazilian University did you go ?

    Russia population is….147 millions !!!!!
    Additional sarcasms not necessary…..from my side !
    Hmmmmm !

    😉 😀 😉

  • ch.c.

    “people used to help each other, the schooling system was not all that bad, crime rate was so low,etc; ”
    WHEN ?
    Please tell us more.
    I just remind you Brazil needed 26 years – 1980 to 2006 – to remake that the minimum monthly wage equals to the price of 2 food baskets.
    But you are also somewhat right, you were a booming country during the early years of the last dictature. (you had more than one…if you recall)
    And you also are one ofd the few countries on earth, with South Africa but for diffferent reasons, where the crime rate far more than doubled in less than 2 decades.
    Then it is funny that your Rio director of tourism openly said a while ago, that the city is as safe as any large cities in the world.
    Hmmmmmm !!!!!!
    What are the large cities who needed AND STILL NEED the army 1 to 2 times a year to reduce the crime rates and arrest with some voluntary executions FROM the police ?
    Paris ? NOOOOOO these were social riots and nothing to compare with criminals with guns, grenades or whatever.
    Who else ????? Please tell us.
    I can only think of….SAO PAULO !!!!!!!!!

    😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉

  • bo

    [quote]Who is responsible for the exodus en mass of our youngsters?[/quote]

    It’s the reality at hand wouldn’t you say JoÀƒ£o? How many 18-22 year old kids from middle class families want to work for 400 reais a month?

    You’re right, Brazil has been blessed with so many natural resources but unfortunately the vast majority of the country is a big bagunÀƒ§a.

  • João da Silva

    Tonight I was watching the TV and this issue of Brazilians being turned back at Madrid airport was being reported again. I felt really sorry to see how the Brazilians are fleeing the country in pursuit of (better?)opportunities elsewhere. The country is blessed with so many natural resources, a huge cultivable land, a population less than U.S., Russia and other emerging Asian countries and a reasonably well educated (but apathetic) middle class.There used to be days when the planes flew on time,buses departed on time people used to help each other, the schooling system was not all that bad, crime rate was so low,etc;

    Years ago, we did not have problem of being welcomed into any country and we used to welcome all the foreigners too. Now I see that we are becoming pathetic, being kicked out of other countries and show our manhood by deporting the foreigners. I ask myself: Who is responsible for the exodus en mass of our youngsters? If any Brazilian in this blog could respond to my question, I would very much appreciate.

    Thank you

  • bo

    no Forrest, prostitution is LEGAL in Brazil….pimping is illegal.

  • forrest allen brown

    joao
    would not want too many people knowing what i look like .

    were they sent home with all that eilagle money are was it kept for safe keeping in brasil

    BO prostitution is ielagle in brasil it is just one of the many laws that are only used when it suites the cops
    to enforce

  • bo

    [quote]I want no sex tourism in my Bahia. [/quote]

    Just spitballing here….but maybe you should ask your state representatives to outlaw prostitution? 😉

  • ch.c.

    Whoahhhh !
    Now Brazil is mixing up Real Tourists with Illegal Immigration !
    No doubt that the ” irregularities in their travel documents” excuse is quite vague….on purpose.
    Better yet, they had MONEY that of course Brazilians Illegals in Spain…did not/dont have !
    And the Reciprocity excuse is of course NOT JUSTIFIED…….by mixing real tourists with illegals who want to stay
    in the country for years. The problem is not when someone enters a country…but when he LEAVES !

    Ohhhhhhh…and you want to promote Brazil as a tourism destination…..by refusing foreign travel agents…wishing to create contacts, negotiate deals…in order to send you their clients !

    3 years ago, you even begged Portugal…to let and take good care of the tens of thousands Illegals Brazilians…already in their country.

    More Filthy, Cheaters and Liars than Brazilians there is not.
    Have I not said the same that….for years ?

    You just proved, once more and as usual, how right I am..

  • João da Silva

    JAY GLENN
    [quote]THAT A WAY BRAZIL, SEND BACK TOURISTS THAT HAVE TOO MUCH MONEY.[/quote]

    If you know some tourists with lots of money, please give them my name. I will be happy to free them of the big burden of carrying too much cash 😉

  • JAY GLENN

    TITS FOR MONEY
    THAT A WAY BRAZIL, SEND BACK TOURISTS THAT HAVE TOO MUCH MONEY. ONLY LET IN THE POOR, NO SORRY YOU LET THE POOR OUT (EXPORT THE POOR.

  • João da Silva

    Forrest
    [quote]any one notice that if any other country does something brazil does not
    like they do something to make a statement of poor us
    [/quote]

    Tadinhos Americanos 🙁

    Hey Forrest, have you ever considered a career as an actor in the Novelas of Rede Globo? 😉

    btw, where are you right now and how is the weather?

  • forrest allen brown

    brazil the land of tit for tat
    any one notice that if any other country does something brazil does not
    like they do something to make a statement of poor us

    like when the US started taking fingerprints and pictures of tourtist
    2 weeks later brazil does trhe same .

    a brazilian goes to the airport with bad documents the brazilians let them on the plane
    only to be sent home ,
    were they stoped at the air port in brazil by the police to look at there papers .

  • Jacyra Leitte

    olho por olho, dente por dente
    These Spanish people should go to their Canary or Mallorca.
    Let our lovely Bahia alone. They were after street walker.
    I want no sex tourism in my Bahia. If you want to make a circus, go to Canary Islands.
    Falei ta falado. 😉

  • eagle

    return to sender
    brazil,s exports seem to have a problem,,,with lack of respect for sovereign nations law….Brazil seems to be problematic with its international criminal alien trafficking…..If Brazil can not dismantle this enterprise,,, then it should ask the first world nations it trafficks to, for help in policing this very serious issue…..After all,, the u.s.a. is fed up with these countries continued trafficking of its inherently criminal citizens to the u.s…. the corrupt issuing of tourist visas should be elimnated in brazil…..And the traffickers should be prosecuted…..

  • ExPat

    Tit for Tat
    I agree! The world should implement a policy of reciprocity too, starting with the US which should immediately send 2,000,000 of its least desirable to live illegally in Brazil.

  • Brazuca-joe

    Itˢ۪s funny how Brazilians are getting so bent out of shape because Spain is not allowing into their nation those that most Brazilians wouldnˢ۪t allow into their own homes. Thatˢ۪s nationalism for you.

    After listening to Lula talk, it struck me that he wasnÀ¢€™t upset regarding the treatment of Brazilians, he was upset that they were [i]sent back[/i]. Lula and company think that itÀ¢€™s the job of richer nations to take care of BrazilÀ¢€™s À¢€œ[i]special people[/i]À¢€Â.

    HeÀ¢€™ll probably implement a “bolsa de brazuca” shortly with the intention of sending more of BrazilÀ‚´s finest abroad for other nations to deal with.

    As for barring the Spaniards, it was a cheap childish knee-jerk reaction. In other words: typically Brazilian. But Brazil probably did them a favour and saved a life or two in the process.

  • bo

    [quote]in February alone Spain turned back 452 Brazilians who had arrived at Barajas airport.[/quote]

    What’s that tell ya?

  • bo

    One has to take a look…
    at the situations of those being turneed back. I feel quite certain that the Brazilians, as well as these 8 Spainards, that were not allowed into the countries had irregularities in their documentation. It’s only correct not to allow them in.

    Unfortunately Brazil is a country that tends to “export” their citizens in large numbers, all around the world, many not having the documents they need or large numbers that are abusing the system in many countries. It’s no secret that Spain, Portugal, Italy, and other countries now have large numbers of brazilian prostitutues.

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