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Brazil Insists Talks with Iran Should Continue Without Dogmatism

Iran's AhmadinejadBrazil remains willing to mediate talks between the International Atomic Energy Agency and Iran, in an effort to ensure that the Iranian nuclear program is for peaceful purposes. This was the message once again from the Brazilian government.

This time coming from Brazil’s Foreign minister, Celso Amorim, speaking in Madrid at the Brazil-European Union high-level meeting on Foreign Affairs and Security.

Amorim declared that it is essential for Brazil and the EU to work together to find a negotiated solution to resolve the question of the controversial Iranian nuclear program.

Amorim went on to say he still believed there was room for a negotiated solution. He admitted the international community had to be certain the Iranian program was not for military ends. But he pointed out that the negotiations had to proceed without becoming dogmatic. 

The Brazil-EU meeting deals with a wide range of issues, from a Strategic Partnership Action Plan to cooperation in areas of poverty reduction, climate change, bilateral system strengthening, human rights, economic relations, consular issues, education and culture.

Also on the agenda: the Doha Round trade negotiations, Haiti reconstruction and aid, the Mercosur-EU association, the Latin American, Caribbean – European Union summit scheduled for Madrid on May 18, the Allied Civilizations Forum in Rio de Janeiro on May 28 and 29, and preparations for a G-20 summit in Toronto on June 26 and 27.

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  • João da Silva

    dnbaiacu
    [quote]And may I add it’s impressive how much you know about American pop political culture. WOW! How do you keep up from Brazil besides the internet?[/quote]

    I have traveled (and still do) several times to that inhospitable land and have several friends there.:D;-):sad:

    BTW, you been reading the comments of Dr.Lloyd Cata and Mr.Brodie in the other magazine? FYI:

    [url]https://www.brazzil.com/component/content/article/215-february-2010/10361-brazils-lula-in-havana-on-the-side-of-the-perpetrators.html[/url]

    You should join us there and explain our “laranja” theory to Mr.Brodie in your impeccable and eloquent English.;-):D

  • dnb

    Joao
    [quote]She sounds half Oba and half Sarah.
    [/quote]

    You’re too funny!:D:D:D

    And may I add it’s impressive how much you know about American pop political culture. WOW! How do you keep up from Brazil besides the internet?

  • João da Silva

    dnbaiacu
    [quote]So Obama-esque. As it appears she will be Brazils “fall woman”. [/quote]

    She sounds half Oba and half Sarah.;-)

    You better google up and read her biography. Set your language preference to Portuguese, please.:D

    Oh, I forgot to mention Patty Hearst.;-)

    2010 is going to be an interesting year, though.8)

  • dnb

    And this Dilma Rouseff?……
    Or however you spell her name.
    So Obama-esque. As it appears she will be Brazils “fall woman”. 🙁

    These people know what they are doing. Creating positions no one in their right mind except motivated by vanity would want. She WILL be President of Brazil and deliberately during a crises.:o

  • dnb

    And I’ll add
    Arabs aren’t stupid.. Most just want to think they are.:sad: Focused so much on simpleton radicals and their “terrorist” acts. Forgetting how much influence the have ecomonomically the globe over. Principally now in Brazil and the U.S.
    It’s laughable.
    The bottom line is there is a HUGE stalemate in place. And the only thing being held back is some event to push the button.
    Look at entertainment in the U.S which most who are so political fail to observe.. Movies and music videos and major awards shows are conditioning the younger generation to embrace a militaristic society.
    HELLO:o:o. How are we going to get to that point????:o
    What is the agenda? And why are we being psychologically PREPPED?
    The button has yet to be pushed!:sad:

    Watch the CHESS GAME carefully.
    And I know that I am being ignored and mocked as foolish. But no one can debate this with me. :D:D . It has a ring of Truth that is hard to face. 😉
    It oversimplifies things and takes the fun out of political analysis. But seriously,, ,it not that serious.
    Simply FOLLOW THE MONEY. And understand Presidents the world over are PUPPETS ,, Laranjas. Mainly in place to fool the idiot proletariat throwing smoke.
    I am still figure out if Lula is incredibly out of the loop and stupid OR deserves an Academy Award for worlds best ACTOR. It is all amazing.:o

  • dnb

    Brazil,, the menage et trois artiste
    It’s over their heads Joao. Some people refuse to acknowledge the “man behind the curtain”.. The Wizard of Oz.:sad: Shadow Government.
    Nothing Lula is doing is suppose to make sense. He can’t look like he’s kissing up the so called “Empires agenda” to save face with local business interests all too eager to court the so called “enemy” and it’s regional counterparts. Big money is involved. Plus why court a crumbling entity (theorectically),, that which is the U.S? It’s like latching on to a sinking ship.. Doesn’t bode well poitically.
    So the posturing continues. And the “deals behind the scenes with the region continue.
    Brazil WILL be in the hotseat in due time. And will TOTALLY submit to the “man behind the curtains” agenda out in the open. Right now they just have to appear to be “doing their own thing”..Some sort of ‘neutral” stance. Which makes perfect business in the light of the fact that the “games” are coming. You play the part as “mediator” But when all hell breaks loose Brazil will have to CHOOSE. But by then they will have been pillaged and raped front and back.:sad::o

  • hunh?

    Joao: You say Lula will visit Iran in May? And you wish that both of them manage peace and prosperity to that region. Wow! That is a tall order when most world powers combined have not had much success there. But I think such a visit, and such initiatives by Lula suggest a great deal of hubris on his part, and at the same time, I suspect he is only distancing himself from other allies (US, EU) believe Iran is going down the path of producing nuclear weapons. I don’t see why Lula does not just speak out against the brutality and repression of this regime. It is one thing to want to negotiate and use diplomacy in relating to Iran, but an entirely different situation when Lula seeks friendship and alliance with such a dictator as A. of Iran. Under Bush, I was saddened to see the relation of S. America and the US deteriorate, but under Obama, we have an administration that seeks more multilateral relations in the world and in S. America. It seems Lula and his party are missing an opportunity to improve North/South relations, and bending over backwards to form a questionable alliance with illegitimate regimes such as Iran. Strange hypocrisy. I think Lula on a peace mission is a self-serving mission. I wish anyone luck in bringing peace to this region. But I distrust Lula’s motives; shouldn’t he be working on peace and prosperity at home, before he takes on single handedly the issue of Iran? A bit of hubris, don’t you think? I think he should speak more honestly about the brutality and rigged elections in Iran. Even taking a neutral relation would be better than hugging A. Seems he wants to play the spoiler role. Just my outsider opinion.

  • dnb

    Chess Game For SURE!
    [quote]Negativo, Capitão. It is not just my way. We are all mere pawns in the International chess game. You yourself have explained: [/quote]

    I think when one gets adept at predicting the moves of the pieces they will start to get it and make the connection.
    [quote]That includes Iran. DnB and I keep on stressing the “laranja” theory and Ahmadenijad is indeed a “laranja”[/quote]

    I just want to know the formula and science behind “creating” a laranja?:o
    Is it just a nominee being “lured” by power and influence and he or she just “submits” in order to maintain or achieve the 15 minutes of fame? Or is there a “backroom” where they are indoctrinated after having been chosen? A mixture of the two? There are “sell outs” in every nation.
    Maybe it’s just this principle. Anyone can become a “Laranja”

    [b]But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death.
    James 1:14,15[/b]
    🙁

  • João da Silva

    Capnamerca
    [quote]OK, have it your way. [/quote]

    Negativo, Capitão. It is not [i][b]just[/b][/i] my way. We are all mere pawns in the International chess game. You yourself have explained:

    [quote]The “elected” leaders are all bought and paid for. They really have no choice in most international matters. They take the bait when they’re running for office, or when they need some pet project funded, then find out they are in to deep to get back out.[/quote]

    Tom Osborne found out early in the game that he was being made into a “laranja” and he pulled out. He has enough money and principles and he just didn’t want to sell his soul. You can not say the same for most of the politicians whether be in your country, here or elsewhere. That includes Iran. DnB and I keep on stressing the “laranja” theory and Ahmadenijad is indeed a “laranja”. Look at your country, where you have a Senator from CT, who was a Democrat and when that party refused to nominate him for his re-election, he simply ran as an independent and won. Just “follow the money” and you will discover that he is also a “laranja” of some people.

    [quote]Most of you all have some sort of nationalist loyalty, and in some ways, I admire the intentions, but you have been hoodwinked.[/quote]

    It has nothing to do with “nationalist loyalty”. Call it “low expectations” from the elected officials. If you don’t expect too much out of them , you are never hoodwinked.

    [quote]Watch what happens when Rousseff is elected with the international banker pulling her strings.[/quote]

    The international and national bankers “pulling the strings” is an old news, Capitão. Obviously you came to Brasil recently and are not aware of the names of [i][b]large[/b][/i] campaign “donors” in the Presidential elections.

    Anyway, coming back to Iran, our President is supposed to visit Iran in May. Probably, Madame Roussef will also accompany him to Tehran and lets all wish that both of them manage peace and prosperity to that region.;-)

  • Capnamerca

    Nope Joao
    [quote]Besides, do you really think that Iran has enough military resources to attack Israel or other countries, especially after years of boycott from other “western” countries?[/quote]

    You’re right, that’s why they need the bomb. It only takes one shot. Win or lose, there won’t be much of a war between Iran and Israel.

    You seem to miss Ahmedinejad’s own words. The man has said he wants to rem0ove Israel from the map. There’s something confusing about this? Did you see the recently released videos of what they did at Tenran University the night before the election? This is some sort of spin?

    OK, have it your way.

    Like I’ve said before, I’m not fond of the U.S. govt, and the way they have handled foreign affairs policy, nor Israel, but I personally don’t believe the governments have much control over these issues. The “elected” leaders are all bought and paid for. They really have no choice in most international matters. They take the bait when they’re running for office, or when they need some pet project funded, then find out they are in to deep to get back out. Remember my comments about Tom Osborne? That is why he couldn’t remain a part of the game. He wouldn’t play by their rules. And this I know for a fact.

    Most of you all have some sort of nationalist loyalty, and in some ways, I admire the intentions, but you have been hoodwinked. Watch what happens when Rousseff is elected with the international banker pulling her strings. You’ll see then I think.

  • hunh?

    I suspected some kind of business/trade deal brewing between Iran and Brazil when I saw Lula hugging and courting this brutal dictator, now I suspect it is only an opportunity for Lula (and his party) to try to capture some of the world’s attention as a “global leader”. I may be wrong here, but it seems to be a potentially dangerous means of getting attention as a world leader. It seems this move is an attempt to by pass the current negotiations which have been underway between the US, EU, Russia, and China. I guess if Lula wasn’t invited to the party, he is going to throw his own party. It seems to be a formula he is following on global warming, and now with the Iranian dictator. It may get him some points at home with the locals who may see him as a world player, but I think, in the long run, it could tarnish his reputation since the vast majority of the world knows this dictator and his regime for what it is: ruthless, brutal, and oppressive. They have been beating their own people who are simply protesting illegitimate elections. How could Lula or Brazil align themselves with this? Not to mention Ahmedinejad’s denial of the holocaust and his constant war-mongering against Israel, the claims to wipe it from the map with nuclear weapons. Lula seems to be talking like it is not known what this regime is doing, but you only need to read back issues of the BBC, for instance, to see documentation of the extensive underground laboratories in Iran for developing nuclear weapons. Not to mention the extensive brutality against the masses of people peacefully protesting. Look for the recent videos leaked of the secret police attacking students in the university in Tehran. This is a vicious and brutal regime that is not perceived as legitimate by Iranians. Why would Lula throw his support behind this regime? Please, before Brazil leads the world, will someone show Lula how to access the BBC online in Portuguese so he can learn what most of the world knows of Iran?

  • João da Silva

    Llyod Cata
    [quote]Kudos, my friend. I rarely get the treat of you being so expressive.[/quote]

    Oh, thanks for the kudos. Once in a while, I like to spring surprises.;-)

    On an [i][b]equally[/b][/i] serious note: I was reading a book titled “On Wings of Eagles” written by Ken Follet. It is the real story about Ross Perot organizing a rescue operation to get two of his employees out of Iran during the “Islamic Revolution” of 1979.

    According to the book, the Americans committed a monumental cock-up by not listening to their Ambassador in Tehran. Their policy was heavily influenced by the National Security Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was bitching about the “lack of correct information” from the Ambassador.

    You know the rest of the story. Believe it or not, I remembered our distinguished fellow blogger DnB mentioning a few months ago that old Brzezinski is influential again in this “new” administration of yours. Hopefully, his boss doesn’t pay much attention to him . If he does, he may have to send [i][b]you[/b][/i] to rescue the Americans who will be held hostages in Tehran, if another revolution breaks out, since “Bull Simons” is dead and gone. I bet you are willing to accept this challenging assignment. 😉

  • dnb

    I Love it!!!
    [quote]Do you know what bothers many well informed people in this country? There is again a frenzy like in 2002/2003 with regards to a different country in the same region. At that time it was Saddam Hussein with his WMDs ready to attack Europe. Now it is Ahmedinejad with his nuclear armed missiles to attack Israel. I regret to tell you that I don’t buy this nonsense anymore and many other well informed Brasilians share my views.
    [/quote]

    Thank God some Brazilians are “catching” on. A huge grassroots sector in the U.S doesn’t buy it either. Of course their views are “skimmed over” in the media if existent at all. And those that have “caught on” still can’t pinpoint the “agenda”.
    If you don’t pay attention or worse, don’t know just WHAT to pay attention to, it will all go over your head. :sad::o

  • Lloyd Cata

    João da Silva
    [b]I regret to tell you that I don’t buy this nonsense anymore and many other well informed Brasilians share my views.
    [/b]

    Kudos, my friend. I rarely get the treat of you being so expressive.:-)

  • João da Silva

    Capnamerca
    [quote]If Ahmedinejad does launch an attack against Israel, he will become a martyr, and he knows that[/quote]

    Capt´n, though DnB has expressed my thoughts more eloquently, one question: When was the last time the Iranians invaded another country? As far as I can remember history, they fought a war against the Iraqis for almost a decade, because late Saddam Hussein decided to invade their country. Do you remember his allies?

    Besides, do you really think that Iran has enough military resources to attack Israel or other countries, especially after years of boycott from other “western” countries? You may recall that they don’t even have spare parts to maintain their [i][b]civilian[/b][/i] airplanes, let alone the obsolete military aircraft. I have read about all the internal conflicts in that country and somehow it reminds me of 1978/79, except that the Iranians are not going to support the Ayatollahs this time. They had enough of the clergymen and I get an impression that Ahmedinejad is the only fella who can keep them in their seminaries. Fine, his elections might have been rigged and in spite of it, there were elections in Iran weren’t they?

    Do you know what bothers many well informed people in this country? There is again a frenzy like in 2002/2003 with regards to a different country in the same region. At that time it was Saddam Hussein with his WMDs ready to attack Europe. Now it is Ahmedinejad with his nuclear armed missiles to attack Israel. I regret to tell you that I don’t buy this nonsense anymore and many other well informed Brasilians share my views.

  • dnb

    joao
    [quote]Sorry Capt´n, you got it all wrong about his intentions. He doesn’t plan to become a martyr, but to encourage hundreds of thousands of his “subjects” to achieve martyrdom[/quote]

    [quote]The politicians are the same all over the world. They like to invent external or internal enemies to divert the attention of their people from main issues[/quote]

    :D:D

    You know most people don’t get our take on “Laranjas” and such yet.
    This Iranian president is a New World Order gimmick selling out his own people.
    Iran is divided between the “religious” and the “secular” PERIOD. The joke is on the radicals in the end.The ruling “cleric” class.
    And as far as “Brazils” token participation in all this it’s just part them being tapped into the game as South America , particularly Brazil gets raped economically. The “bull” will ejaculate and move on to the next one. My prediction is Brazil is the last whore at the Bulls disposal. Hence her being “dressed up” with all this newfound international political participation. lololol pure distraction. Brown nosing Iran as the rest of the Arab world buys you up underneath your feet…. It’s laughable! Creating ultimately a crisis you never thought imaginable. Laying on her back enjoying her economic orgasms not being able to see over her “johns” shoulders as he pounds her.!!!

    Funny the U.S is very quiet on all this…….hmmmmmm. A deliberate fade to the back. As it is still lying in exhaust after a good “pounding” by the bull, with the help that was the “vibrator” (deregulation)
    Silence always means something…….
    Mr.A’s position is clear… To pit the seculars against the radicals. And this to destabilize the entire region to make it prime for the attack. “ORDER OUT OF CHAOS”. All this “nuclear program” hogwash is SMOKE.. PURE SMOKE.
    ****************************************************
    This part isn’t for your Joao..Just adding it to my post to inform.

    [b] He has founded the earth upon its established places;
    It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever. Psalm 104:5[/b]

    [b] But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time for the dead to be judged, and to give [their] reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”
    Revelation 11:18[/b]

    NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE EARTH PEOPLE. FORGET ABOUT A FULL SCALE AND POSSIBLY NOT EVEN A PARTIAL NUCLEAR WAR.

  • Capnamerca

    Sorry João but . . .
    If Ahmedinejad does launch an attack against Israel, he will become a martyr, and he knows that. All evidence, including his own words, points to this intention. Regardless of whether you agree with my conclusion of his intentions of martyrdom or not, it’s clear that he would in fact, use any possible means to attack Israel, and the only method which would ensure any level of success at all, would be a preemptive nuclear attack. If he believed there was any other way, he would have already attacked them.

    And yes, I know of his concerted efforts in funding the “Palestinian” suicide bombers. But he wants more.

    Is it your point that you believe Ahmedinejad has purely peaceful intentions for his nuclear program?

  • João da Silva

    Capnamerca
    [quote]Ahmedinejad intends to become the final martyr, the 12th Imam, and Brazil wants to help him achieve this goal?
    [/quote]

    Sorry Capt´n, you got it all wrong about [i][b]his[/b][/i] intentions. He [i][b]doesn’t[/b][/i] plan to become a martyr, but to encourage hundreds of thousands of his “subjects” to achieve martyrdom. You may remember that the late Khomeini slaughtered thousands of his opponents, but died in his bed of old age.

    The politicians are the same all over the world. They like to invent external or internal enemies to divert the attention of their people from main issues. Look at Argentina. The Malvinas/Falklands is back in the headlines there.

  • Capnamerca

    Typical
    Dogmatism in this case, refers to an unfounded/unproven opinion of the intentions of Iran’s nuclear program. Ahmedinajad has repeatedly reffered to his wish for the extermination of the Jews, and the removal of Israel from the map. I would not consider the majority of the world’s criticism of Iran policy to be dogmatic in this regard. His founding of Gharargahe Asheghane Shahadat proves his intentions are not peaceful.

    Ahmadinejad’s embrace of martyrdom is not posture. It is his governing philosophy, reflecting a cult of death that pervades the upper reaches of Iran’s current regime.

    As far as a peaceful use of nuclear technology goes, the UN has bent over backwards to encourage this, even offering to supply Iran with all of the enriched uranium it needs to carry out such a program.

    I am not a big fan of the current Israeli government, nor of the U.S. government and their policies in the middle east, but to give this regime a green light to enrichment of uranium is suicide for the rest of the world. Why Brazil’s leaders cannot see this is beyond understanding. Ahmedinejad intends to become the final martyr, the 12th Imam, and Brazil wants to help him achieve this goal?

    “Is there art that is more beautiful, more divine, and more eternal than the art of martyrdom?” Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, then Iran’s President-elect, mused in a television address in 2005. “A nation with martyrdom knows no captivity.”

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