Brazilian Congress Once Again Snubs Venezuela’s Chavez

    Senator José Sarney

    Senator José Sarney The opposition in the Brazilian Congress once again delayed on Wednesday, February 4, the consideration of Venezuela's Mercosur incorporation protocol, in spite of strong appeals from the ruling coalition of the president of Brazil, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.

    A member of the opposition requested more time to consider the issue thus blocking Wednesday's vote by a Mercosur special commission, which if eventually is approved will then begin the Senate process, commission and full house votes.

    Once out of the Senate the bill approving the incorporation protocol will be promulgated by President Lula, a staunch supporter of Venezuela joining Mercosur. Brazilian public work contractors, exporters and businesses in general are increasingly targeting Venezuela as a very lucrative market.

    The ruling coalition leader, Deputy Florisvaldo Fier, underlined before the commission the importance of Venezuela's incorporation for Mercosur. Brazil's Lower House approved the protocol last December.

    "Mercosur would transform into a trade space, full of opportunities with over 250 million people and an area of 12.7 million square kilometers, becoming one of the world's leading suppliers of food, energy and manufactured goods," insisted Deputy Fier.

    However this week the Brazilian Senate named new leaders for the 2009/2011 period and nominated José Sarney to preside, who as Brazilian president (1985/1990) was one of the promoters of Mercosur but is known to be a strong opponent of Hugo Chavez' Venezuela.

    The ruling coalition fears Mr. Sarney from his position could stall consideration of the protocol but he has strongly denied the allegations.

    "I will not delay the discussion and consideration of any project," which includes the Venezuela incorporation protocol he said on Monday when asked specifically about the issue.

    The presidents of Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay signed the incorporation of Venezuela to Mercosur on July 2006, but since then only Argentina and Uruguay's legislatives have approved the initiative.

    Besides Brazil, the issue is still under consideration by the Paraguayan congress.

    Sarney vehemently rejected claims he was intent in further delaying approval for Venezuela's incorporation to Mercosur.

    "I'm not going to accelerate or delay any issue. All documents and bills will have to comply with all Senate procedures," said Sarney when asked about a vote on Venezuela's incorporation to the South American trade block which has been delayed for months.

    Jose Sarney, a former Brazilian president, elected to preside over the Senate last Monday has been repeatedly accused by the opposition of being the main impediment for Venezuela's entry into Mercosur.

    Brazilian president Lula da Silva has promised his Mercosur partners that Venezuela would be formally incorporated to the group during the first quarter of this year.

    Brazilian senators and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez had a serious confrontation when the charismatic populist leader accused the members of the Upper house of acting as "puppets" of the country's oligarchy and in accordance with the capital of the "evil empire" in reference to the administration of President George Bush and the US.

    But in spite of the offense and Chavez tepid apologies, following Lula's intervention, the bill remained stalled in the Brazilian senate.

    However Brazilian contractors and business leaders have lobbied strongly for the incorporation of Venezuela to Mercosur, although the political establishment feels a bit uneasy with Chavez radical stances in several issues.

    "But one thing is Chavez with the barrel of oil at US$ 140 US and another with oil at US$ 40, said Brazilian Senate sources" quoted in Brazilian capital Brasí­lia's media.

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    • ch.c.

      Astonishment is the most appropriate word I can describe
      Pay more attention to what I say and/or pretend.
      I always have proofs from reliable sources…including from Brazilian OFFICIAL SOURCES, such as
      the APPARENT ECONOMIC BOOM IN BRAZILIAN AGRICULTURE…WHEN MEASURED CORRECTLY…AND NOT MEASURED AS
      ROBBING HOOK DOES….TO SHOW A WRONG PERSPECTIVE OF THE REALITY :

      YOU MAY AS WELL CHECK THE OFFICIAL PER HECTARE PRODUCTIVITY IN DIFFERENT AGRI COMMODITIES

      You could then try to find out by yourself in surfing the net…to make your own comparisons with other countries.
      Not real easy, but not impossible. it takes time. I did it for some commodities.
      I wont provide you comparative per hectare production. Smiles
      Find them by yourself ! So much fun…if you have an interest to find out the truth !

      And going back to Brazilian banks….just pay attention to what I also added in my other comments above.
      Smiles

      😉

    • Forrest Allen Brown

      booth of you should look into BANCO MILITARY IN HOUNDRAUS
      Talking about a scam a bank started by military ,
      to fund the retirment of political and military highre archie
      but there rates are very small when you yhink about brasil banks

    • Augustus

      Shameful theft by Brazilian banks – incredible interest rates!!!
      Astonishment is the most appropriate word I can describe the feeling invoked upon reading ch-cˢ۪ recommended Bloomberg editorial about Bradesco.
      [quote]Bradescoˢ۪s personal loans cost 85.2 percent a year compared with 39.3 percent at Banco do Brasil, rankings listed on the central bankˢ۪s Web site show. Their biggest competitor, Banco Itau Holding Financeira SA, charges 79.2 percent for the same credit. Interest on consumer loans in Brazil range from 12.95 percent at Societe Generaleˢ۪s Brazil unit to 1,418 percent at Sao Paulo-based finance company Crefisa SA, the data show. [/quote]
      In fact, I should not have been surprised, given that I have a relative in Rio de Janeiro, whose assets are unfortunately À¢€œheld hostageÀ¢€Â by Banco Santander Brasil in a gimmick whereby she cannot remove funds from that institution which is penalizing her with out-of-this-world interest rates serving an old loan (which she should never have requested ) …

      In view of the above, ch-c regular remarks about Brazilians appear to be confirmed… They lied to her… so it appears

    • ch.c.

      Augustus
      No need to be a genious.
      If in November the registered employed workers were 22 millions, and unemployed 1,8 million, and in December the worst month in 10 years the lost jobs amounted to 654’000, it is very hard to trust that the unemployed stood at 1,6 million and that the
      unemployment rate went DOWN from 7,2 to 6,8 % !!!!!

      There are many other ON PURPOSE errors !
      How can any country IN GOOD FAITH figure out the NATIONAL unemployment rate using the 6 metropolitan wealthiest regions that account for ONLY 40 % of the country population ?
      Hmmmmmmm….but that is what Brazil does with their 22 millions etc etc workers and report as NATIONAL stats.
      There are another 9,7 millions registered workers…..in the REST of the country ! why not included ?

      On top of that, the total registered workers is therefore around 34 millions nationwide (rounded….22 mio plus 10 mio plus around 2 mio registered unemployed) Right ?

      How do you explain that in a country with nearly 200 millions citizens, only 17 % of the population is REGISTERED AS WORKER ????

      Hopefully you understanmd how they manipulate their unemployment rate…as it pleases Robbing Hook & el al !

      Therefore my formula….NEVER EVER TRUST A BRAZILIAN…REMAINS !

      😀 😉

      Ohhhh funny…NO ONE…NO ONE….made a comment after having probably read THE ARTICLE I STATED EARLIER ABOVE :
      http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aycNcCD5Onj8&refer=latin_america

      TOO SHAMEFUL….TO TALK OR MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT IT ?????
      Yessssss really shameful… the sad truth.

      Lets face it, Chavez the Clown and Robbing Hook have a lot in common :
      BOTH continually HIDE AND LIE PERMANENTLY !
      Typical of South America Populism in general.

      The Bimbo next door with her Pimp pretend that in 2007 and 2008 their country inflation rate was at 8 % annually, while
      as per everyvbody else it is well over 20 % annually !

      Ohhhhhh and just for the fun……in 2008 Venezuela had a targeted inflation of 19,7 %.
      Not that small. Right ? It should had been easy to stay on that target.
      Wellll Chavez could not even stay on target. Inflation stood at 32 %
      And if you recall, Chavez in January 2008 COPIED the Brazilian tricks made 4 times in the last 70 years.
      HE TOO….TOOK OFF 3 ZEROES OUT OF HIS CURRENCY !!!!!!

      Same blood, same mentality…no doubt !

      😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉
      😉

    • Augustus

      Conceding Limitations & Ineptitude – Reflecting upon Valor & Honor – Questioning Arbitrary Judgment with Deception…
      [b][i]At this point, it is imperative that it be clearly clarified that:
      -I have never claimed and would not ever have presumed to be a genius…
      -If I recall correctly, this particular À¢€œlabel of geniusÀ¢€Â was designed and ascribed by you in various references towards my humble selfÀ¢€¦ often with the sole purpose of ridiculing my character

      Furthermore, I must also state that somehow I suspected you were setting a trap in order to publicly humiliate me… Yet, I did not hesitate when facing a looming danger setup in my pathway, and notwithstanding the concealed bouts of laughter to denigrate my wits, I willingly and took the bait, with the same Courage & Valor one would expected of a true Gentleman of the BloodÀ¢€¦ The very same valiant behavior, incidentally, which I hope the Brazilian Armed Forces will (hopefully) soon demonstrate in order to save the nationÀ¢€¦ once again….

      As for your claimed Brazilian inescapable proclivity to lie, while I am certain that such flaw exists within various individual and perhaps even within the national character, I could scarcely expect it be considered uniquely inherent to the inhabitants of the central-eastern 3/5 of the South American Continent; at any rate, I humbly contend whether sly acts, deliberately used with the purpose of deception À¢€“ in pursuit of hidden agendas – might not perhaps be equated to similar negative qualificationsÀ¢€¦ Just a thought for further reflectionÀ¢€¦

      I rest my caseÀ¢€¦ I suppose À¢€œyou winÀ¢€ÂÀ¢€¦[/i][/b]

    • João da Silva

      Ch.C
      [quote]True…I admit…you warned maths were not your forte ![/quote]

      Still you insist on harassing Lord Augustus with your mind boggling numbers 😉

      [quote]But this…I knew, just as you know my English is far from perfect ! [/quote]

      This is too much for me to swallow.Now you are behaving like an old maid who knows that she is very good in whatsoever things she does,but apologizes for not being 100% perfect. 😀

      Every single blogger in this site knows that you are not known for your modesty and why pretend that you are? 😉

      Regardless, you have great communication skill in English, French, Portuguese, German, Greek, Italian ,etc; Good old Pythagoras would have been proud of ya, if he was still alive. 😉

    • ch.c.

      Furthermore to Lord Augustus math
      The difference being a DROP of 400,000 UNEMPLOYED

      sorry…..sorry…but from 1,8 million to 1,6 million the result is a 200’000 DROP….not 400’000 as you pretend !

      You see….NEVER EVER TRUST A BRAZILIAN……IS EVEN TRUE…WITH YOURSELF ! LAUGHSSSSSSSSS

      As I said many times, I know that in Brazil 2 plus 2 never equals 4.
      Thus an educated Brazilian cant obviously figure out correctly 1,8 million MINUS 1,6 million.
      True…I admit…you warned maths were not your forte !
      But this…I knew, just as you know my English is far from perfect !

      😉

    • ch.c.

      I did not reach 654’000 LOST JOBS
      No sorry Lord Augustus—YOU ARE WRONG

      If there are 22 millions employed registered WORKERS WITH A JOB, and 1,8 millions registered WORKERS UNEMPLOYED,
      you do the maths out of 23,8 millions namely 1,8 mio out of 23.8 mio registered workers – employed or unemployed – to figure out the percentage of…UNEMPLOYMENT!

      Smiles 😥 😛

      As to the the 654’000 number of lost jobs in December :
      Sorry…but this is the Brazilian government own numbers…ANNOUNCED AND PUBLISHED….AS BEING THE
      WORST MONTH SINCE EARLY 1999….. AND ANNOUCED A FEW DAYS BEFORE DECEMBER….UNEMPLOYMENT RATE !
      THEN HOW CAN THEY CAME OUT with ONLY 1,6 million registered workers UNEMPLOYED…in December…from 1,8 million in November…if they lost 654’000 registered jobs ??????
      And….and….and….still with the same number of employed workers at 22 millions…as per their own words !

      Still waiting the answer from Lord Augustus, and the Brazilian Dr Sherlock da Silva !

      Prove me that you are not a pair of dumb wits……as Joao pretended that is what I think !
      (As you know, Ch.c thinks that we both are a pair of dumb wits)

      Waiting …… with 😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉
      😉

    • João da Silva

      Ch.C
      [quote]Sherlock Holmes would have said…..this is the EVIDENCE Dr Watson !!!!!![/quote]

      You never read Sherlock Holmes and still try to outwit Lord Augustus and a “commoner” like my excellent self. The famous quote is “Elementary , my dear Watson”. Sherlock Holmes never had the habit of addressing Watson as “Dr.Watson”.

      Lord Augustus: You better check it out with the books in your library on this fellow Sherlock Holmes and confirm what I said. As you know, Ch.c thinks that we both are a pair of dumb wits. 😀 😉 🙁 8) 😥

    • Augustus

      CH-C – Something is fishy, but…. I did not reach 654’000 LOST JOBS
      IN A PREVIOUS MESSAGE YOU STATED:
      [quote]ON MY….NEVER EVER TRUST A BRAZILIAN…that looks to irritate you, YOU as a well educated person, could you tell me/us
      how Brazil reduced their December 2008 unemployment rate from 7,2 to 6,8 %….knowing that 654’000 jobs were LOST
      in December ???????

      November numbers were 22 millions registered workers WITH JOBS, 1,8 million registered workers UNEMPLOYED.
      December numbers were 22 millions workers, 1,6 million unemployed.
      WERE DO YOU SEE THE 654’000 LOST JOBS ??????
      [/quote]
      Well, bearing in my artithmetics were never my forte’…
      1,8 million UNEMPLOYED vis-a-vis 22 million workers = 8.19% ==> thus, according to figures there were 8.19% Unemployed in NOV
      1,6 million UNEMPLOYED vis-a-vis 22 million workers = 7.28% ==> thus, accoding to figures, there were 7.28% unemployed in DEC
      ==============================================================================//
      The difference being a DROP of 400,000 UNEMPLOYED workers between NOV & DEC within an overall workforce of 22 million workers…

      HUMMMMMM I suppose CH-C IS THEN REFERRING TO A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN A DECLARED LOSS OF 654,000 JOBS vis-a-vis an opposite conclusion where the NUMBER OF UNEMPLOYED WORKERS WAS ACTUALLY REDUCED BY 400,000 INDIVIDUALS???!!!!!
      people. In addition there appears to be a discrepancy between 8.19% vs 7.28% AND THEIR DECLARED REDUCTION “from 7,2 to 6,8 %.”

      I hope I got this right, but at ANY RATE, there APPEARS TO BE A DISCREPANCY HERE…
      There is NO possible explanation OTHER THAN a LOUSY “unchecked” manipulation of “official governmental statistical Data” which I hope is JUST an example of the EXTRA CORRUPT LABOR ADMIN as opposed to an OVERALL SYMPTOM of… AS CH-C INDICATES… A NATURAL PROCLIVITY TO LIE AT BRAZILIAN GOVERNMENTAL & BUSINESS CIRCLES!!!!! 🙁

      (NOW MY HEAD IS SPEENING _ LOL)

    • ch.c.

      clarifications
      1) clever people in this site
      No doubt I DONT include Ricardo Amaral.
      More junkie than him…there is not. Including HIS pride of being a member of Elitetrader.com
      The word ELITE makes him feel good and superior. Right ?
      Why dont you visit the site and have a look ? Its free !
      Even monkeys are smarter than these idiots.
      And Ricardo Amaral should not be that proud to be part of the Dynasty he talked about.
      Afterall it is due to his Dynasty that Brazil is in today mess.

      2) On my never ever trust a Brazilian
      – Lord Augustus…I am still waiting your math equation on the Brazilian unemployment rate ! smiles
      Telling me I have valid points, without telling which ones, has no value…for me !

      3) On my…never ever trust a Brazilian….BANK !
      Let me include…BRAZIL CENTRAL BANK HIGHNESS MEIREILES ! WHY ?
      Because contrary to what Robbing Hook lieutenant pretends, in December 2007, the average interests rates WERE
      NOT 33 % OR SO…AS HE SAID IN THE BLOOMBERG ARTICLE !
      It was already in the 40 % plus something.

      And let me raise the question :
      WHY ARE THEY (ROBBING HOOK & el al) AWAKENING NOW…..AFTER 6 YEARS IN POWER !!!!!

      How can a relatively small (in Brazil) foreign bank provide loans at around 13 % and large Brazilians banks at 50-80-1400 % ?

      The answer is obvious and easy :
      The untold deal with Robbing Hook and the banks are that they are allowed to charge as much as they want….as long as they hire
      a lot of UNNECESSARY employees, even unskilled, and pay them WELL !!!!!

      But now Robbing Hook and his gang have shot in their own rear. Why ?
      If they really want the banks to charge MUCH less, the banks are going to say….”No problem…and what do we do with 50 % of our employees, that are unnecessary and were hired to please you…HIGHNESS ? “

      jUST THINK ABOUT IT !

      Sherlock Holmes would have said…..this is the EVIDENCE Dr Watson !!!!!!

      But….chuuut…this is state secret…of course ! 😀 😉 😀 😉

    • ch.c.

      I quarel only with idiots and goats…in this site ! Not with clever people…..even if at times…..
      we have disagreements !

      SMILES

      Ohhhhhhh a with a smiling face, a news published TODAY

      http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aycNcCD5Onj8&refer=latin_america
      Ouch…it hurts….poor brazilians borrowers !

      Enjoy your readings.
      As you can see, ALSO NEVER EVER TRUST A BRAZILIAN….BANK !!!!!!!!
      Better go to SociÀƒ©tÀƒ© GÀƒ©nÀƒ©rale, Brazil

      😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉

    • Augustus

      NO QUARELING – CH-C HAS VALID POINTS
      Indeed his examples of the SNEAKY POLICIES of previoius Brazilian administrations, clearly demonstrate CH-C point…
      Actually, I’m glad CH-C reminded me that the Pernambuco Clown “Ruler” had declared George Bush as “a friend”!!!! LOL LOL LOL
      My goodness. NOW, regarding the “contradictory approach towards Caracas, I can explain vis-a-vis the MARVELOUS opposition in Brasilia which discreetly UNDERMINING the Analphabet president’s policy of FURTHER CLOSENESS with the Chavez’ Group.
      In fact, Once the Venezuelen MONEY FACE Biped is accepted into Mercosul, IT’S ALL OVER – and SARNEY can SEE THAT. Chavez will then PUSH for MONETARY and then a POLITICAL UNION of Mercosul and NO DOUBT ATTEMPT to Dominate the Group from WITHIN….

    • João da Silva

      [quote]Jose Sarney, a former Brazilian president, elected to preside over the Senate last Monday has been repeatedly accused by the opposition of being the main impediment for Venezuela’s entry into Mercosur.[/quote]

      It would be very interesting to hear from our friend Ricardo Amaral who knows Mr.Sarney well and has been consistent in his views about Mercosul/Unasul being a non entity. Probably, Sen.Sarney also thinks like that. Although I don’t agree with Ricardo [i]all[/i] the time, he does have some very good points. Ricardo,Augustus, Ch.C and I have something in common. We believe that Brazil can be re engineered to make it a great country and we don’t need lessons from Chavez,Fidel,Raul,Morales,etc; All we need is a good leadership and hope we get it in 2010. 😀

      Ch.C/Augustus: It is time to unite and so stop quarreling 😉

    • ch.c.

      Furthermore for Lord Augustus……
      ON MY….NEVER EVER TRUST A BRAZILIAN…that looks to irritate you, YOU as a well educated person, could you tell me/us
      how Brazil reduced their December 2008 unemployment rate from 7,2 to 6,8 %….knowing that 654’000 jobs were LOST
      in December ???????

      November numbers were 22 millions registered workers WITH JOBS, 1,8 million registered workers UNEMPLOYED.
      December numbers were 22 millions workers, 1,6 million unemployed.
      WERE DO YOU SEE THE 654’000 LOST JOBS ??????

      Feel free to be irritated…to find the proper answer…in the Brazilian math equation !!!!!!
      Could it be….seasonal adjustments in your view ? Laughs….laughs…laughs

      Waiting…YOUR ANSWER & COMMENTS & MATH(S)

      😉 😀

      On top of that :
      – Just 2 months Petrobras said…no need of money…then borrowed money from the government TWICE due to short term problem as Petrobras said.
      10 days ago Petrobras said…borrowing money is too expensive, no need of money anyway. Yesterday Petrobras went to the International market and borrowed US$ 1,5 billion in a ten year bonds….at higher rates than 10 days ago.
      TODAY
      there is a big rumor that Petrobras will issue US$ 19,5 billion in NEW shares…VERY SHORTLY !

      No need of money ?????????
      Hmmmmmmmm !

      I am not saying this is negative or positive….BUT just….NEVER EVER TRUST A BRAZILIAN !

      😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉

    • ch.c.

      Come on Augustus….come on !
      I am as much anti Chavez as you are.
      I am as much anti Venezuela in the Mercosur as you are.

      My point is clear……wherever there is money……Brazil licks the ass…to become friend.
      When no money anymore…Brazil friendship is…gone !

      You want another proof of how right I am ?
      No problem :
      Have you a short memory of how Robbing Hook called Bush in 2005 and 2006 ?
      MY FRIEND !
      And look after how he treated and criticized both the USA and Bush !!!!!
      And also look how Robbing Hook and his various gangs treat Uruguay, Paraguay and even Bolivia !
      Was Robbing Hook not PRO MORALES OPENLY AND PUBLICLY BEFORE HIS ELECTION ? Of course HE was !

      Thus Augustus….wether you like or not……NEVER EVER TRUST A BRAZILIAN !

      Just ask nearly ALL South Americans citizens who they dont like the most in their region.
      the answer will be like a Symphony Orchestra : BRAZIIIIIL

      Why so….in your view ????????

      I repeat to make it clear……I HATE CHAVEZ AS MUCH AS YOU DO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      It also happens that it was me who started calling…..CHAVEZ THE CLOWN ! Smile.

      Why dont you then criticize those in favor of having Venezuela entering Mercosur ?
      SUCH AS….ROBBING HOOK….INSTEAD OF….ME ??????

      Can you get me…LOUD AND CLEAR ?

      And I stand up….and repeat…that when oil was US$ 140.- Brazilians….in majority….were more PRO Chavez joining Mercorsur…than when oil is at today’s prices !

      Also….have you a short memory…of how this “magical” oil pipeline from Venezuela to Brazil and Argentina was supposedely being built ??????????? Short memory of the medias FANFARE…IN BRAZIL ?????

      Come on Augustus, come on !

      I am as anti Chavez the Clown as anti Robbing Hook…FOR SURE !

      I have certainly Nooooo contradiction….contrary to you Augustus.

      😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉 😀 😉

    • Augustus

      BY THE WAY….
      When I typed RADICAL RADICALISM – I DID IT ON PURPOSE TO ATTEMPT TO CONVEY THE EXTENT OF MY COMPLETE HATE AND OPPOSITION TOWARDS HUGO CHAVEZ, ALL SOCIALIST MOVEMENTS, ALL ISLMIC COUNTRIES, PARTICULARLY IRAN & SAUDI ARABIA (exception made to Turkey) and ALL RELIGIOIUS BELIEFS & CHURCHES (“possible exception made to the Church of England).
      MY Position is clear..

    • Augustus

      Whatever ch-c – I HOPE MR. SARVEY WILL DO ANY AND EVERYTHING TO BLOCK THE ADMISSION OF VENEZUELA AND ATTACK THEIR BIPED PRESIDENT
      CH-C – FOR YOU IS DAMNED IF ONE DO, DAMNED IF YOU DON’T – SO…. WHATEVER…
      I used to think you were a radical, but the only radical position of yours is to attack Brazil regardless
      MY RADICAL RADICALISM SUPER- IS CLEAR : ANTI-VENEZUELA /// ANTI-COMMUNISM // ANTI-ISLAM /// ANTI-RELIGION
      AS SUCH, ANY GROUP WHO EMBRACES ONE ONE OF THESE POSITIONS, WHICH I STRONGLY AND I MEAN “S-T-R-O-N-G-L-Y””… TOTALLY AND MOST THOROUGHLY….

    • ch.c.

      But one thing is Chavez with the barrel of oil at US$ 140 US and another with oil at US$ 40,
      Typically…..Brazilian style….as usual !
      At US$ 140.- he is a good friend and welcomed, not so at Us$ 40.-

      Who is surprised ? Not me because…..NEVER EVER TRUST BRAZILIAN….they always cheat, lie and hide !

      Proven…once more….for the 1000th time.

      😀 😉 😀 😉

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