Comments for Why Can't Brazilian Generals Admit Their Guilt in Human Rights Violations? at http://www.brazzil.com , comment 1 to 8 out of 8 comments http://www.brazzil.com Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:32:01 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10334-why-cant-brazilian-generals-admit-their-guilt-in-human-rights-violations.html#comment-43707 [quote]Brazil need human rights for the middle class that pays the bulk of the country taxes and gets nothing in return. No safety, no transportation, no infratructure, no healthcare, no education, nothing, nada... Only pure extortion from the government. These are the real human rights violations in Brazil.[/quote] Rodrigo, my kudos to you for making these bold comments which very few Brasilian Middle Class people are willing to say in public. It is disgusting to experience daily, the humiliations the honest & hard working Brasilians have to undergo while dealing with the government bureaucracy. Look at the way the RF treats you, even if you have filed your income tax returns correctly. Their rules and regulations seem to favor the ones who have never declared their Tax Returns. You pay other taxes and get nothing in return. As you rightly said, the human rights of the Brasilian middle class are being trampled upon and this Vannuchi has brought a new "Plano" to eliminate the middle class altogether. My kudos to the Generals for defending the honest tax payers indirectly, by putting their feet down firmly and opposing the Plan. - João da Silva Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:38:38 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10334-why-cant-brazilian-generals-admit-their-guilt-in-human-rights-violations.html#comment-43704 on the cable channals around channals 15,16,17 or so, there are an endless stream of documentaries that paint only one side of the story much as this article does... they mostly feature the lives of people who were fighting the military dictatorship and were captured and tortured. quite a few of them were from the communist party....most of them casualy state they trained in guerila warfare , how to explode bombs and kidnap, in countries like cuba and china and the soviet union... it is rare to hear any kind of balanced look at what were the real facts and circumstance with the backdrop of the cold war around the world at that time. and i wonder if it will ever be posible to really tell the whole story of what happened back then.... one of the things that is never addressed in these docus is the background of the generals...you have to reseach around to find out some of them were in tents with the americans fighting nazism in italy together...they both saw and understood the danger and the nescesity to fight against a totalitarian regime...that doesnt justify 20,000 brutal tortures... but one question i wonder about was how could so many intelligent people actualy beleive that there was some kind of great benafit in desiring and supporting communism and the countries that were communist and ended up failing so miserably..principly the soviet union..the millions who died in chinas communist policies and the totalitarionism that lasts to this day in cuba.... it boggles the mind, and is frightening the unwillingness to look at that...just look at venezuela today under chavez's policies...its suffering greatly - asp Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:51:28 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10334-why-cant-brazilian-generals-admit-their-guilt-in-human-rights-violations.html#comment-43703 This is definitely not the whole truth. Revista Veja published this week an article about this. Despite the obvious political tendencies of the magazine, it points out a valid aspect that even though the name sounds nice "National Plan for Human Rights" it is far from actually having anything to do with human rights. It is merely a compensation for the terrorists from the 70s (which are now in control of the country). If you strip it down to numbers, the terrorists killed almost as many people as the dictators. They alleged by then, that they were at war against the government, so if their crimes were war casualties, so were the militaries'... with the aggravating fact that the militaries were the rightful government by then (I'm not discussing the merits of democracy here because the terrorists themselves never proposed democracy, they only wanted to implant their socialist dictatorship instead). Criminals should be punished, not compensated. Nothing the terrorists did had any real affect in the shape things took in the transition government in the 80s. Brazil need human rights for the middle class that pays the bulk of the country taxes and gets nothing in return. No safety, no transportation, no infratructure, no healthcare, no education, nothing, nada... Only pure extortion from the government. These are the real human rights violations in Brazil. - Rodrigo Barbosa Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:04:52 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10334-why-cant-brazilian-generals-admit-their-guilt-in-human-rights-violations.html#comment-43683 [quote]this is going to be a complex issue that i dont feel i should be making judgements about it...it is up to the brazilian people to decide about this..but, i think this author is only telling half the story[/quote] Very interesting comments, ASP. You are right, the author is telling just half or [i][b]one fourth [/b][/i]of the truth! I am sure you know that lately the industry of "indenizações" has become a lucrative business and many of us think that PNDH-3´s objective is to stimulate its further growth! Indeed it is a complex issue and it would be interesting to read the comments of other Brasilians. However, none of the articles published in this magazine mentions that there are other segments of the Brasilian society that are objecting to this "Plano". In my view, the chances of the Congress approving of it during this election year are very remote. - João da Silva Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:03:27 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10334-why-cant-brazilian-generals-admit-their-guilt-in-human-rights-violations.html#comment-43681 Do you know kirakunokai? http://peace68.youpage.jp/ - peace68 Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:43:40 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10334-why-cant-brazilian-generals-admit-their-guilt-in-human-rights-violations.html#comment-43672 I have read this article its original Portuguese version. A part of PNDH-3 too. The article doesn't mention that it is [i][b]not just[/b][/i] the Generals that protested against this "Plano". Other segments of the Brasilian society also. My comment is: Why the big rush to get this "Plano" approved? ;) Another stupid remark: [quote]Only washed wounds will heal. (Michelle Bachelet, a doctor, tortured in 1975, president of Chile in 2006)[/quote] In spite of her [i][b]thoroughly[/b][/i] "washing the wounds", the Chileans decided [i][b]not[/b][/i] to elect candidate of her choice in the run off elections today.;):D - João da Silva Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:33:13 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10334-why-cant-brazilian-generals-admit-their-guilt-in-human-rights-violations.html#comment-43671 this is going to be a complex issue that i dont feel i should be making judgements about it...it is up to the brazilian people to decide about this..but, i think this author is only telling half the story...what is never really looked at or mentioned is that there are a lot of brazilian people who didnt want to go communist or be allies of cuba and the soviet union....when rio had a big demonstration against the military threat of a coup, sao paulo had an equaly large deomonstration with people saying they didnt want to have communism...it wasnt so cut and dried...it is complex "Whose peace, paleface? It is certainly not cemetery's peace from those killed by torture, nor peace of mind of the relatives of the political disappeared, let alone peace of conscience of those who survived the torture and screams of pain in the dungeons." i read a figure that said under 800 militants were killed by the military dictarship and that under 500 people on the side of the military dictatorship were killed also... do these under 500 people for the military dictatorship and their families count at all ? some of them were brutaly assasinated also as well as there were bank robberies and kidnappings ...if they are going to open up the past and examine the one side, arent they suposed to examine the other also? "Senator Filinto Muller, the head of the truculent political police of the Getúlio Vargas dictatorship and who sent in 1936 Jewish German Olga Benário (the pregnant wife of communist Luis Carlos Prestes) to death in a Hitler's concentration camp, is all over the country: he's the name of seven schools in three states, he baptizes " olga benario was a spy for the kgb inside brazil trying to overthrow the government....this is very serious stuff ( she was also wife of prestes).they probably sent her there not knowing she would be killed, im not sure of that either i also think its not a good comparison at all to the nazi's and their death camps....that is really over the top the 20,000 tortures is not and it is brutal...but it doesnt affect today anymore than torture in the 30's of the communists back then doesnt affect today...today is today...people dont protest today because its done to lower class criminals...which doesnt make it right ...or necsasarily wrong...it just is...its also complex one thing to note, the cuban dictatorship that many of the militants against the military coup looked to for inspiration, is still in power telling the people how they have to behave...the brazilian dictators left power i actualy read that the biggest reason the military dictatorship coup happened was because there was starting to be the threat of rebelion inside the military ranks...and that was the most concerning reason to the generals, because for them, disorder in the military was unaceptable at any cost - asp Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:14:26 +0100 http://www.brazzil.com/home-mainmenu-1/212-january-2010/10334-why-cant-brazilian-generals-admit-their-guilt-in-human-rights-violations.html#comment-43666 for water boarding . and so called other crimes. I think brazil needs to admit to its people that not only did the military do this but also the government has done it and is still doing it today . I beleive it would be hard for any person high in the military or government and even the police to say they have never abused there power in office to better there own lives But to get a brazilian to admit rong doing would take the second coming - Forrest Allen Brown Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:37:37 +0100