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The Smartest Thing China Could Do Right Now: Invest US$ 200 Billion in Brazil - Part 4 PDF Print E-mail
2007 - October 2007
Written by Ricardo C. Amaral   
Tuesday, 16 October 2007 16:56

Brazil ethanol sold at gas stations Brazil's unique resource is not oil, or ethanol - it is its vast supply of freshwater. Brazil will be in a unique position in decades to come and it should use this strategic advantage to connect with a partner such as China that can help Brazil regarding its goal of achieving economic development, growth, and prosperity.

Brazil's valuable resource (freshwater) will become even more valuable in the coming years as more and more countries are forced to reevaluate their national policies regarding their freshwater resources and that will affect the price and availability of agricultural products around the world.

Based on the mutual economic development and strategic self-interest of both countries it makes a lot of sense for China and Brazil to go forward and turn into reality the economic plan that I proposed in this four-part series of articles.

It will be imperative that China find a reliable source of food supply outside China to complement its internal food production for them to be able to feed the Chinese population in future years. And if you look around the world it is obvious that China does not have too many options available to them.

It will be a smart move for China to secure as soon as possible this food supply from Brazil to feed the Chinese population in the coming decades. The time for China to act is now, and not when there is a crisis and a shortage in the food supply chain around the world.

A New Paradigm for Direct Investment

As I mentioned in part-2 of this series of articles, Brazil should create a Brazilian government agency to handle this project in partnership with the Chinese Sovereign Wealth Fund that would supply the money to be invested in Brazil.

The agreement between both countries would include a process of transparency and accountability regarding the entire plan. And every three years the people from both countries who were responsible for these projects would make a complete review of the projects and would fine-tune each individual project at that time according to the latest needs.

The projects can't be placed in a straight jacket; they must be designed with room for future adjustments to be made regarding changes in technology, and demand requirements for each individual project.

Many people would say this set up is no good - it is central planning - let the free marketplace and Wall Street decide where this money should be invested. My response to these people is: the free market and Wall Street do not have such a good track record as you think when we look closely. If you don't know what I am talking about I will refresh your memory for you.

Basically, you don't have to look further than the savings and loans crisis of the 1980's that cost over US$ 200 billion in taxpayer money to clean that mess. Then we had Enron, WorldCom, Adelphia Communications, Global Crossing, Citibank, Tyco, mutual fund industry scandal, the hedge fund industry scandal, Halliburton scandal and so on....

Another example: for years, an overvalued financial market built on misleading and false information sent highly misleading signals to investors who eventually lost trillions of valuable national savings, which were misallocated to unneeded and wasteful investments; as a result investors lost over US$ 2 trillion in the telecommunications industry and over US$ 1 trillion in the dot.com fiasco.

I know that greed is getting completely out of control in the United States; just look at the latest subprime scandal and the mess that these guys created not only in the United States but also in the major financial markets around the world.

On the other hand, I can give two major examples to support my case for direct government investment from China to Brazil.

First Regarding China

China is doing a superb job in creating new infrastructure and super cities around China to accommodate the country's rapid urbanization resulting in many new cities in China that one has never heard of that have populations of 6, 7 or 8 million people.

The Chinese can also help Brazil with the knowledge that they have been acquiring regarding their experience in economic development that has been happening in China on such an extraordinary scale.

Second Regarding Brazil

Regarding the development of Brazil's ethanol industry over the last 30 years, Brazil did not fix its energy problem based on free market solutions. If Brazil were waiting for the free market to fix its dependence on imported oil, then Brazil still would be a slave to that market today in the same manner as the United States.

Who had the foresight to fix that problem in Brazil?

The generals did it in the mid 1970's when we had that major global oil crisis. Brazil had a dictatorship at that time and the generals decided that Brazil was going to fix that problem and they put in place all the rules, regulations and incentives necessary to develop ethanol production on a large scale in Brazil.

Brazil was able to develop an ethanol industry based on sugar cane, and its vast distribution system network, because of Brazilian government planning followed by the actual implementation of such plan.

The US is supposed to be a free market economy - but is the free market smart?

I don't think so - and you don't have to look any further than the ethanol production in the United States - from corn. Besides, the free market usually is good for short-term solutions and not so good for achieving long-term goals.

There are many reasons why it is hard to replicate in most countries the very successful Brazilian ethanol production and distribution system. First, you need all the elements necessary to create such a system including the right climate, type of soil, the availability of freshwater, and so on... Second, it requires a dictatorship type of government, as Brazil had for many years, for a central government to be able to formulate the energy policies, develop a plan, and follow up with its implementation all the way to a successful completion.

Without the dictatorship in Brazil, and the generals imposing the rules to develop such an energy solution for the country, today Brazil would be in the same energy mess that the United States is going through - the US is highly dependent on foreign sources of oil. (The US depends on imported oil from the most unstable areas of the world including the Middle East, Nigeria, Venezuela, and so on...)

It is hard for government intervention to work in most cases. For example: In Brazil the generals designed the right policies with the right incentives to transform the energy market in Brazil. It took 30 years for them to refine the system and get to the point that they are today - it took a lot of hard work to develop the state-of-the-art system that Brazil has and other countries around the world want to copy.

Brazil got lucky and it was able to place the right policies to develop an effective energy system network based on ethanol made of sugar cane. The United States had the chance to develop a similar energy solution, but the US free market system chose the wrong path instead - they decided to develop ethanol from corn.

Here is an actual example of the free market making the wrong choice - one country makes the right decision under government planning and implementation, and the other country makes the wrong choice under a free market system.

The American system is in shambles and it does not have a prayer to get any better because of the way the free market works - the oil companies don't want to give up their monopoly position and they will try to undermine the competition in every way possible.

Americans could have corrected the direction of their ethanol industry development a long time ago, because the American scientists have been aware and have been following all the ethanol developments in Brazil.

But the US free market system kept the US ethanol industry going in the wrong direction. Anyway, US ethanol production is made from corn - and Americans have not seen as yet the full impact of that mistake on their food prices.

Besides, ethanol made of sugar cane has a major advantage over ethanol made of corn.

Why did the US make such a mistake to start with and still continues today making that mistake even bigger? Because the US government did not adjust its government subsidy programs accordingly to adjust for this new use of corn - the original US government subsidies that were on the books were geared for food production, and not for this new use of corn to produce ethanol to fuel our cars.

It is also obvious that because the Brazilian economy is energy self-sufficient it places Brazil in a very special category of countries that are immune to a possible blockade of the Strait of Hormuz to prevent oil from being shipped from the Middle East to the rest of the world.

Conclusion

The readers might have one question left on their minds regarding the economic development plan that I described in this four-part series of articles. The Chinese can supply the money for all this economic development in Brazil, and the entire plan can be followed to its successful completion, and so on...

But the Chinese would have a major question regarding how Brazil will be able to deliver year after year, on a consistent basis, and be a reliable source of food supply to China.

Brazil would guarantee that part of the bargain through its taxation system by giving special tax incentives to farmers who sell their foodstuff to China.

The same type of investment agreement also can be reached with the oil producing countries of the Middle East such as Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, and Qatar.

After the agreements are in place, from then on Brazil would give preference to sell its foodstuff production, first to these countries including China, and the oil producing countries of the Middle East.

I am also mentioning the oil producing countries of the Middle East because on June 13, 2007 I spent the entire day attending a seminar in New York regarding economic development in Saudi Arabia, and I learned the following:

The Saudis are estimating on the conservative side that oil prices will have a floor price in the coming years of around US$ 50.00 per barrel, and they expect that Saudi Arabia will have a cash flow generated by the oil revenue that will exceed US$ 13 trillion dollars for the period 2007 to 2030.

And they are also estimating that the cash flow to be generated by the oil revenues for the combined Gulf States to exceed US$ 24 trillion dollars for the same time period. In other words, with that kind of cash flow there will be a lot of business opportunities in that area of the world year after year.

These estimates were made when the price of oil was around US$ 65 per barrel, but on September 20, 2007 oil prices reached US$ 84 per barrel. Another important point to keep in mind is the value of the declining US dollar in world markets in response to the US government actions related to the latest financial crisis that at the same time it goes against the responsibility that the US government has in protecting the intrinsic value of the US dollar. Today the US dollar was trading around US$ 1.41 to euro 1.00 but in the near future the US dollar should continue its declining trend.

By the way, the population of the oil producing countries of the Middle East is very small, and should not interfere with Brazil's goal of helping to feed year after year the Chinese population under the above plan.

There are risks for both countries when we establish such powerful long-term connections and economic ties between Brazil and China, but I am sure that the mutual benefits will outweigh, in the long run, the negatives of such a plan.

People who will criticize the enclosed plan will say that this plan is not fair to the other countries around the world because Brazil would give preference to these countries regarding Brazil's foodstuff supply available to the export market. I remind these critics what Charles de Gaulle once said: "Countries have no friends only interests."

China should go ahead and make these investments in Brazil without taking in consideration the ups and downs in global financial markets. A final reminder and something to keep in mind when evaluating the merits of this plan:

In November 2003 an article by James Kynge published by The Financial Times "China encourages mass urban migration" said: "China is to encourage the migration of between 300 million to 500 million people from rural areas to towns and cities by 2020, a transformation that Beijing hopes will help drive growth but which will also fundamentally alter the economy and society of the world's most populous nation.

The biggest potential migration in human history is now part of China's master plan. Wang Mengkui, head of the cabinet's think-tank, told the Financial Times that the country's urban population would rise to around 800 million by 2020, up from an official 502 million at the end of last year.

Fast Company magazine, March 2007 issue, published an article by global trends consultant and futurist Andrew Zolli. He said in his article: "China is planning to build 20 new major cities each year for the next 14 years, and the ones it already has are growing by 13 million to 15 million people annually. Up to 300 million farmers will move from the countryside in just the next 20 years."

The policy-makers in China must be aware that the country's rapid urbanization will affect its ability regarding local food production, since, when a country embarks on such a huge urban and economic development, there are also other costs when a new highway and road system, bridges, new manufacturing centers, shopping malls, condos, and so on are being built.

Many times they are being built where before there were farms that supported the internal food production system of that country. When you replace productive lands with roads, and with all kinds of concrete structures, in the process you are also reducing even further your future food production capabilities.

Food production is a very important issue and a matter of national security regarding the long-term survival of its people - hungry people can create chaos and even revolution - and China and the rest of the world knows what happened in China during the great famine not long ago. The impact of such a disaster would be even more devastating to China today because of the Internet and a world driven by 24/7 news coverage.

The final conclusion is: It's imperative that China move forward in an aggressive fashion and implement with Brazil the plan described in this four-part series of articles. And China should look at it as a matter of national security and future survival.

For a long time I have been hearing the pundits say that an economic rising tide would lift all ships. These Chinese investments in Brazil would help lift all ships in Brazil, in turn creating further demand in Brazil for Chinese goods as well - it's a win, win plan for Brazil and also for China.

This article is the final piece of a four-part series.

Ricardo C. Amaral is a writer and economist. He can be reached at brazilamaral@yahoo.com.



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The end.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 17, 2007
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"That's all folks"

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Tony Cheng might be interested in this plan
written by angelinajolie, October 17, 2007
Ricardo,

If you are truly interested to learn more about the China economic uprising, I suggest you contact Tony Cheng of Al-Jazeera. As a matter of fact, Al-Jazeera does it's network live in Brazil and I normally watch it 24hours a day via satellite transmission. You see Ricardo, just contact him and find out more about China in a new perspective. You will be surprised with his explanation about the new China. The last time, when my friend was in China making a movie for a local televison production in Malaysia, the entire crew production were being raided by the General Military Officers and they need to contact the embassy for help. Later they managed to get back on track and quickly returns home without any confrontation.
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written by bo, October 17, 2007
But the Chinese would have a major question regarding how Brazil will be able to deliver year after year, on a consistent basis, and be a reliable source of food supply to China.



Yeah, they would. Seeing Brazil doesn't feed their own 185 million population. What about 2 billion screaming Chinese?

Was interesting Ricardo, but man am I glad this series is over.
"Countries have no friends only interests."
written by aes, October 17, 2007
That about sums it up. The interest of China is not Brazil's interest. Once China's 2 billion's existence becomes dependent upon Brazil's 175 million the interest of China will not be Brazil's. There will no longer be a free Brazil.
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written by conceicao, October 17, 2007
Chinese economic development has been tranformative for Brasil. When China started buying multi-billion-dollar amounts of soybeans, iron ore and other commodities,
the terms of trade between Brasil and the developed world changed in Brasil's favor. But, the last thing that Brasil needs is to offer itself up as China's bitch. What Brasil
really needs is as close an approximation as possible of the golden age of free trade in commodities that existed in the period 1840 - 1860 (see p.278 of the Greenspan book).
Just as energy independence was borne out of Brasil's comparative advantage in biofuel feedstuff production, general economic development and the attainment of
relative affluance would be borne out ofBrasil's current comparative advantage in agricultural, mineral and water resources. The Brasilian people don't need anyone to tell them how to do anything, they just need a fair price for their commodity exports and the rest will follow. The answer is not more government jerry-rigging of trade
relationships. THe answer is for government to get out of the way so that people around the world have the right to pay up for what Brasil has to offer at a fair price in a free market.
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 17, 2007
"That's all folks"


First of all let me congratulate you for the excellent article.Yours is one of the three finest articles I have read in this On line English newspaper. The other 2 were "The Brazilian Jihad" and "Caipirinha with Curry". The Brazilian Jihad was written by an American Mathematician living in Rio and drew no comments at all, though I think it is a must for all the Brasilians and the ex-pat foreigners living here to understand the historic role played by our armed forces in building our nation.I am not sure about the nationality of the author of "Caipirinha with Curry" which talked about the "Growing relationship between Brasil and India was worrying Washington". All good with sensational titles, but neither of the two drew as many comments as yours and that is because of not only the title of your article, but also due to your active and patient participation in the forum. For this also you deserve my kudos.

In my opinion, your article comes out with a long term growth strategy for Brasil and it is a pity that there were not too many Brasilians who participated in the forum.You raised so many issues that have to be dealt with and in my opinion, the commentators contributed too. It is a good plan with suggestions made by them incorporated in it and presented to the Government. After all you have access to important people in the Government and check their reaction.

As for the Chinese government investing $200 Billions, please do go through my comments in the first part of your article and you will understand why they "Wouldnt". Currently, the press is projecting the image that "all is blau" in our country. But the reality is far different and many of the commentators including your good self have raised concerns. To sum them all, Brasil is like a Rudderless ship with the middle class being made into biggest clowns. Unless we put our acts together, NO Foreign government is going to invest $200 Bi. We can generate enough cash to finance the projects you mentined in your article,but our funds are being misused.

Anyway, it was nice to read your article and the comments of Brasilian ex-pats like you and Shelly to feel that there are still some right thinking Brasilians and you still care about the country where you were born.
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written by hegemon, October 17, 2007
As others have pointed out in the comments about the other three windy articles, this article is full of absurdities. For one thing, every idiot that can read or watch TV knows that China escaped poverty by implementing free market policies. For another, the US ethanol program is a good example of what is bad about the goverment INTERFERING in the free-market process. As for the Brazil feeding all those Chinese who will migrate to Chinese cities, one can only dream what would happen under Amaral's Great People China-Brazil Pact of Eternal Smiling Friendship when you take into account the following: Go downtown in a city like Campinas in São Paulo on a Sunday afternoon you will see that all of the businesses that are open are run by Chinese people - they have already migrated and are making the Brazilian business environment more competitive as we speak. In addition, the economic policy of privately-owned but government-directed industrial production has a very unattractive name, and the people who follow it tend to love it a man in uniform runnign things, especially if he has little black mustache.
But Brazzil.com is an excellent web site!
Reply to hegemon
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 17, 2007
you said: "this article is full of absurdities."

But you did not list what these absurdities are.

Let me guess:

Brazil has no water.

Maybe - ethanol maid of corn is a better choice.

The Chinese don't like of samba or carnaval.

The Chinese would never invest in Brazil because Brazil is too far from China.

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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 17, 2007
Thank you for the compliments regarding my article, and I also enjoyed the discussions with you regarding these 4 part series of articles.

When Brazzil magazine published my last article on March 2007 one of the readers of the magazine send me an email saying that he had been reading Brazzil magazine on a regular basis for many years and he decided to get in contact with me to let me know that this particular article was the best article he ever read on Brazzil magazine, and he asked me to keep up with the good work.

That person might be reading this 4-part series as well and I thank you guys for the encouragement and for the feedback to let me know that my work is worth reading and it is being appreciated.

This is the article that he thought was the best and most informative article he read on Brazzil magazine in many years:

On March 2, 2007 Brazzil Magazine published my latest article “Here Is Why Brazil Should Adopt the New Asian Currency” - you can read it on the following web site:

http://www.brazzil.com/content...llComments


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Regarding the 4-part series of articles – I wrote the article as a single article and I broke it into 4-parts because of the structure of Brazzil magazine – in the past some readers complained to the editor that my articles were too long.

I write about very complex subjects and I spend a lot of time doing research on the material that I write – sometimes it takes weeks and weeks of research to produce a single article. After a lot of research had been done for the enclosed 4-part series of articles the article was almost ready for publication in early April 2007 - the article was about 90 percent done at that time.

Then we had a tragedy on our family – my younger sister died in mid-April 2007 – I was very close to my sister and after her death it took time for me to recover just enough to be able to finally finish this article and submit it for publication.

I am the oldest brother and after my sister’s death I still have my other sister an identical twin of the sister that just died.

We have been always a very close family and the day that my sister died a little part of me also died with her.

But I still will keep my optimism in the future regarding Brazil – a country that I miss a lot and love very much.

Thank you.

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written by conceicao, October 17, 2007
The most glaring error that I saw in Part 4 was the assertion that that the U.S. somehow arrived at its corn-based ethanol industry as part of some kind of free-market process.
The federal ethanol use mandate, the associated tax credit and the discriminatory tariff against Brasilian ethanol are all products of "political entrepreneurship" at its
worst. If the individual states alone were allowed to make their own decisions on the issue, the U.S. would be consuming all the ethanol that Brasil could produce and the
concept of corn-based alcohol likely would not be a subject of serious discussion.
Conceição
written by João da Silva, October 17, 2007
The federal ethanol use mandate, the associated tax credit and the discriminatory tariff against Brasilian ethanol are all products of "political entrepreneurship" at its
worst.


Conceição, my friend, we have to accept that Ricardo Amaral came up with good growth strategy for Brasil. So lets not nit pick on small errors. Since he is living in U.S. for too long, he may not know what is "Political Enterpreneurship" in Brasil. Lets educate and bring him into our camp of "Dashing and Real Enterpreneurs". You should have read his entire article at one stretch in his blog as I did.He covers a lot of areas and I think the plan can be bettered further.
Reply to conceicao
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 18, 2007
You said: “The most glaring error that I saw in Part 4 was the assertion that that the U.S. somehow arrived at its corn-based ethanol industry as part of some kind of free-market process.”

I did mention on the article that it was the fact that the United States produces a lot of corn, and corn production increased even more because of the subsidies that the US government have had on its books from decades ago.

The corn producers have a big price advantage because of these US government subsidies.

The Brazilian ethanol industry was developed over a period of 30 years – and this ethanol government mandate in the US happened just few years ago.

And from the point of view of the American government it is not a discriminatory tariff against Brazilian ethanol – the tariff is a way to protect the farmers in the United States. The US government has the responsibility to do everything it can to keep the US farmers in business.

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Reply to conceicao
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 18, 2007
By the way, the Cuban lobby in Florida has been able to keep quotas and tariffs on the books of the US government for decades regarding sugar production and as a result we have been paying at least double the price for sugar here in the United States than if we were able to import any amounts of sugar in world markets.

That's nothing new. It has been going on for decades.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 18, 2007
On March 2, 2007 Brazzil Magazine published my latest article “Here Is Why Brazil Should Adopt the New Asian Currency” - you can read it on the following web site:

http://www.brazzil.com/content...llComments


I started reading this on line newspaper after this earlier article was published. However, after the first part of the latest one was published, I did read your earlier one.

Regarding the 4-part series of articles – I wrote the article as a single article and I broke it into 4-parts because of the structure of Brazzil magazine – in the past some readers complained to the editor that my articles were too long.


On your recommendation, I went through the entire article at one stretch in your blog spot. So had plenty of time to mull over the subject under discussion and form my opinion!

Then we had a tragedy on our family – my younger sister died in mid-April 2007 – I was very close to my sister and after her death it took time for me to recover just enough to be able to finally finish this article and submit it for publication.

I am the oldest brother and after my sister’s death I still have my other sister an identical twin of the sister that just died.


Please do accept my condolences on your sister´s early demise. Such events shake up people and start wondering about life. What was the reason for her passing away? I hope she was not a victim of violence in São Paulo. I am glad that you are coping up with the tragic event. Once again my condolences.

But I still will keep my optimism in the future regarding Brazil – a country that I miss a lot and love very much.


So do I. As I said earlier, we need people with balls and are outspoken. With "xarapões", we go nowhere. Too many whiners and whimps, trying to frame our policy! One advice I would like to give you is to read the articles of a fellow Brasilian economist of yours Dr.Chirs Buarque and come out with your opinions. Even though I like to tease him, I think he makes lots of sense too.

Thank you.


You are most welcome and be in touch. Of course, the guys and gals in this blog will be questioning and harassing you. I am sure you enjoy sparring with them.
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written by conceicao, October 18, 2007
Of course the 54-cent tariff is a discriminatory tariff against Brasilian production - who the hell else could it be aimed at? Brasilian producers simply provide the goods at a
lower cost. And, subsidies don't protect anyone. The only economic effect of a subsidy is to benefit those peculiarly situated to capture the effect of the subsidy at the time of its creation. All that is left going forward is a market distortion that acts like a cancer on the affected economy.
Be strong
written by angelinajolie, October 18, 2007
Ricardo,

I understand how you feel. Just keep up the good work and good luck in your next assignment.

would chinese imports not be taxed
written by forrest allen brown, October 18, 2007
as of right know the tax price keeps most brasilians from buying any thing imported .

as far as food have you not seen the new deal china is building a water channel from the northern
river to the dry desert to start farming and for a far less price than 200 billion
would chinese imports not be taxed
written by forrest allen brown, October 18, 2007
as of right know the tax price keeps most brasilians from buying any thing imported .

as far as food have you not seen the new deal china is building a water channel from the northern
river to the dry desert to start farming and for a far less price than 200 billion
To Forrest Allen
written by angelinajolie, October 18, 2007
I am not surprise if you sent in a few million of Chinese population to the Sahara desert and they still can survive. Don't think about building a water channel. The Chinese will think big and will defintely build in the next dam that will transform the Sub-Sahara desert across to the Nile River. If Cleopatra is still alive she would definitely admires that Hu Jin Tao.
Reply to Forrest Allen Brown
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 18, 2007
You said: “as far as food have you not seen the new deal china is building a water channel from the northern river to the dry desert to start farming and for a far less price than 200 billion”

After writing all these articles and trying to put the spotlight into China and all the problems that is going on with Global warming major droughts around the world and so on.

The one point that I have been trying to highlight some people still can’t grasp the magnitude and scope of everything related to China because the size of its 1.3 billion plus population. The challenges about everything that you can think of must be astronomic for the leaders of the Chinese government to deal with.

We are talking about over 1.3 billion people here and a lot of mouths to feed with major droughts happening in one of the major breadbasket regions of China, with underground aquifers being depleted, and with typhoons and hurricanes happening more often with their destructive forces.

And you thing that some water channel will resolve the precarious water crisis in China.

Let me try to put in a perspective that might make sense to you

Look at the water problems that we are having in the United States.

The Colorado River is going dry and 30 million people depend on the water of that river
including farmers, large towns and so on…

There are major areas in the US going through a drought like never before and many of these farmers are going out of business.

The city of Atlanta today has only 90 days of water supply and after that they have a major problem. And they are having a hard time finding a new source to supply water to their city’s water system. Basically everybody is realizing that there is a major water supply crisis coming very soon to your neighborhood.

Here in New Jersey one of our major newspapers run a series of articles in the last 3 months about the declining water supply in our area – and the article said that most people living here have no idea and they don’t realize how precarious the water system is that they depend on in the area where they live.

Here I just touched the tip of the iceberg of a major water crisis on the richest country of the world with a population that is only 25 percent of the total population of China.

China and the United States have about the same amount of freshwater available to them.
The US is having all these problems related to its’ freshwater supply now imagine the United States with a population of 1.3 plus billion people.

Not a pretty sight.

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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 18, 2007
By the way, where do you live in Brazil? You mentioned that you live in the South of Brazil.

Did you live for a time here in the US? Because your English is excellent.

Thanks for your wishes of condolences it has been a very tough time for our family. My sister’s death hit us like a ton of bricks. Slowly we are making some progress, but life for our immediate family it will never be the same for all of us.

You said: “Such events shake up people and start wondering about life.”

More than you can ever imagine.

You asked: What was the reason for her passing away?

She had some health problems – Lupus, pulmonary hypertension, and in the last few months of her life pancreatitis. She had a lot of pain in the last 3 months before her death and the last two weeks was a real nightmare.

You said: “One advice I would like to give you is to read the articles of a fellow Brasilian economist of yours Dr.Chirs Buarque and come out with your opinions. Even though I like to tease him, I think he makes lots of sense too.”

Where I can find some of his articles?

We will be in touch I am sure and you will be able to read some of my future articles here on Brazzil magazine.

You said: “Of course, the guys and gals in this blog will be questioning and harassing you. I am sure you enjoy sparring with them.”

I am used to that since some of the other forums that I participate including the Elite Trader Forum, the PBS Forum, and the Charlie Rose Show Forum, I am always defending Brazil and fighting against most people who like to bad mouth my country.

By the way, I was waiting for Rodney the editor of Brazzil magazine to publish the last part of the 4-part series of articles to let my network of friends and people who asked me to let them know when my latest article have been published – it is an interesting group of people and includes many college professors, some intellectuals, and also some famous writers. I am letting about 400 people know that my latest article is published, and I hope many of them will take the time to read these articles and even post some of their comments.

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Reply to Conceicao
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 18, 2007
You said: “Of course the 54-cent tariff is a discriminatory tariff against Brasilian production - who the hell else could it be aimed at? Brasilian producers simply provide the goods at a lower cost. And, subsidies don't protect anyone. The only economic effect of a subsidy is to benefit those peculiarly situated to capture the effect of the subsidy at the time of its creation. All that is left going forward is a market distortion that acts like a cancer on the affected economy."


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I have a question for you why are you so interested that Brazil sells ethanol to the US market?

You said: “subsidies don't protect anyone”

Tell that to the US farmers and I bet they would disagree with you.

You also said: “The only economic effect of a subsidy is to benefit those peculiarly situated to capture the effect of the subsidy at the time of its creation.”

You mean the US farmers of the 1930’s – and the subsidy that the currents US farmers are getting is only an illusion - And illusion worth millions of US dollars for them.

You said: “All that is left going forward is a market distortion that acts like a cancer on the affected economy.”

I mentioned that on my article when I said that Americans will feel the impact of ethanol production made of corn – when the increase of the price of corn, which doubled in price during the year 2006 – eventually it will impact the prices of all kinds of foodstuff at your local supermarket.

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Reply to Bo
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 18, 2007
You said: “I agree with you 100% pertaining to your statement about Brazilians needing a change of mindset. But what an incredible task that is!! Brazilians need to learn that THEY are in charge of their own destiny, and stop pointing fingers at everyone else besides themselves when things go wrong or are wrong. Brazilians need to come together and let the politicians know that they are responsible to the people, not the other way around.”

I also agree with you on all these points.

You said: “But Ricardo, that simply isn`t going to happen overnight. Matter of fact, unfortunately for me, and my daughter, I bet it will never happen in my lifetime. And there will never be quick, significant change in this country without bloodshed. Key words being "quick" and "significant". Whoever thinks I`m wrong about that last statement simply has no idea.”

We are getting in there into the critical point of no return – but in the meantime the bloodshed is already underway, and things it will get worse before it can be turned around

Maybe another General Castelo Branco is the only solution left.

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written by conceicao, October 18, 2007
U.S. agricultural subsidies, etc related to ethanol only "protect" to the extent that they prevent a loss to those who have bought corn acreage or grain processor stocks after
the implementation of the subsidy regime. Generally speaking, the holders of these assets at the time of the implementation of the regime are either laughing all the way to the bank or are holding on and would not suffer a net loss from the elimination of the subsidies.

I am so interested in Brasilian producers selling into the U.S. market because I believe that it would benefit U.S. consumers on the one hand and, more importantly for this discussion, it would result in high levels of profits that could be invested back into the Brasilian economy. The question that I have for you is what amount high-margin
annual ethanol export profits accruing to Brasilian producers would match for economic development purposes the infusion of $200 billion in foreign investment from the
Chi-comms. My guess is that the elimination of the U.S. tariff and related preferences would do more for Brasilian economic development than the plan that you have put forward. It would be interesting if someone could develop metrics to compare the effect of the injection of high-margin export profits from ethanol into the Brasilian
economy as compared to direct investment by foreign multinationals as compared to the kind of government - to -government planned arrangement that you propose.
Reply to AES
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 18, 2007
You wrote: “Ricardo is " pissed as hell about what is happening in Brazil and together we can change the country for the better." Yeh how Ricardo? Give some concrete examples. How do you get the courts to prosecute? How do you eliminate the graft and corruption so pervasive in government? What are the mechanisms of this change? It is self evident that the Brazil of what might be is being subverted by an entrenched, insidious, political gangsterism.”



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When General Castelo Branco became president of Brazil for a time the corruption problem got better.

In Singapore the cabinet ministers get $ 1 million dollars per year in salary – but if you get caught involved in any type of corruption then they get rid of you.

You wrote: “It is self evident that the Brazil of what might be is being subverted by an entrenched, insidious, political gangsterism.”

I know how you feel, since I live in the United States and we are going through a similar experience – in my opinion people like George W. Bush, and Dick Cheney belong in jail.

Sorry, but George W. Bush is going insane and right now he is talking about starting World War III – the man is a basket case and he belong to a loony bin.

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Reply to Conceicao
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 18, 2007
You wrote: “I am so interested in Brasilian producers selling into the U.S. market because I believe that it would benefit U.S. consumers on the one hand and, more importantly for this discussion, it would result in high levels of profits that could be invested back into the Brasilian economy. The question that I have for you is what amount high-margin annual ethanol export profits accruing to Brasilian producers would match for economic development purposes the infusion of $200 billion in foreign investment from the Chi-comms. My guess is that the elimination of the U.S. tariff and related preferences would do more for Brasilian economic development than the plan that you have put forward. It would be interesting if someone could develop metrics to compare the effect of the injection of high-margin export profits from ethanol into the Brasilian economy as compared to direct investment by foreign multinationals as compared to the kind of government - to -government planned arrangement that you propose.”


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Ethanol has been a good solution for Brazil, but is not a solution that can be exported for other countries.

As a matter of fact even if the United States had dropped its tariff on ethanol to zero if I would have suggested as did in some of my writings that the Brazilian government should place a tariff on ethanol exports to fluctuate according to the market price for oil on world markets to discourage Brazilian producers from exporting ethanol to the united States.

I hope the United States increase the tariff on imported ethanol to $ 1.00 dollar instead of the $ 0.54 cents that they have now.

Anyway, the solution for its energy problem in the US is not with ethanol or biofuels. The solution for the United States is the electric car which might make a quick come back.

The people who bought the electric cars loved their cars and the cars were a big success.
But the car manufacturers did not sell the cars they only leased these cars – and because of pressure from the oil companies compounded by the pressure from the car dealerships
They took all their electric cars back and destroyed thousands of them. They did not want to have people going around loving their electric cars and putting pressure on them for more.

The oil companies finally were able to put the last nail on the coffin of the electric car when Texaco an oil company bought from General motors the company that made the batteries for the electric car.

The auto dealers put pressure on the car manufacturers to drop the electric cars because the electric car operated with almost no maintenance and the maintenance business accounts for 1/3 of the income for the auto dealers to be able to survive.

General Motors and the other car manufacturers are sitting on state-of-the-art technology that they developed regarding the electric car – and in the meantime companies such as GM and Ford are just going through a slow death.

Talking about being stupid – these two companies should be let go out of business.

Now the electric car becomes even more desirable than ever since there is a new technology a new type of battery that let the car drive for 500 miles before it needs a new battery charge and it takes only 5 minutes for the new charge.

Now combine the concerns that people have today about Global Warming, with the fact that they already have a successful technology for the electric car, with the problem of securing new energy sources, and a new awareness about the value of freshwater supplies – the solution the electric car.

This solution is not going to happen before 2009 – because the idiots who are running the country today are all involved with the oil industry such as George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, Condi Rice and so on….(Condi Rice even have a oil supertanker named in her honor.)

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Reply to Conceicao
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 18, 2007
I need to say one last thing on this subject.

You said my plan is very bad – and I am proposing to use the agricultural power of Brazil to help the Chinese government to feed millions of people in China in the coming years.

And you think that it is a better choice to instead use the agricultural power of Brazil to feed car engines in the United States for people to be able to drive their cars.

In my opinion, there’s something wrong here with your way of thinking.

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Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 18, 2007
You said: “Ricardo, I got a question for you. Once we grow sugar cane all over the country, don't you think that the price of a loaf of bread will go up? And who is going to be able to afford it?”


That’s why the Brazilian government should put an export tax on ethanol to discourage the export of ethanol to other countries.

Even if Brazil was allowed to export its entire production of ethanol to the United States that would replace just a very small percentage of oil usage in the United States. They had a couple of articles on the newspapers in the last few weeks talking about that.

The Brazilian government should keep its incentives for then to continue increasing the ethanol production in Brazil for internal consumption, and they should get away from oil as much as they can.

Brazil has the agricultural capacity to keep the ethanol industry growing in Brazil, but only for internal consumption – and at the same time have enough land to plant all the other crops necessary for foodstuff production.

It does not make sense to use the agricultural power of Brazil to export ethanol – in the coming years we are going to have major shortages of food because of problems of securing sources of freshwater and also because of weather problems such as major droughts, and so on….


You also said: “I am going to buy your book, any chance that I could send it to you for you to sign it?”

Please send me an email direct to me, and we can exchange info my email is at the end of the article.

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written by conceicao, October 18, 2007
Since when do the Chi-comms feed anyone? The Chinese people are lucky to feed themselves despite their murderous government. You are obviously just some pseudo-
intellectual Marxist who would rather vegetate in a perpetual ideological stupor while vainly attempting to smear your filth all over anyone else who might be unfortunate enough to come into contact with you than attempt anything constructive. Thank God the world has left you and your kind behind and there is at least some honest attempt finally going on
to bring meaningful economic progress through globalization and freer trade. As for your ethanol export tariff, why not take your economic insanity to its logical conclusion,
reincarnate yourself as a modern day James Jones, and kill off as many Brasilians as you can with ethanol kool-aide - it would be right in character as lots of Brasilians die prematurely every day because of people like you and your corrupt ideology.
Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 18, 2007
You said: “The solution? Give people decent salaries, our minimum is a disgrace!”


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Yes, it’s very low by any standard.


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I have a heavy dosage of “Andrada e Silva” BLOOD and DNA on my system. That’s probably why I always have been such an idealist.

As I mentioned before I am a descendant of Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva, also of his brother Martim Francisco because Martim Francisco married his niece a daughter of Jose Bonifacio.

My great-great grandfather Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva (The Young) was a son of Martim Francisco.

My great-great grandfather Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva (The Young) married Adelaide Eugenia Aguiar de Andrada – a granddaughter of Barbara Joaquina de Andrada, a sister of Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva (The Patriarch).

Only our branch of the family has this heavy concentration of “Andrada e Silva” blood – mainly because Martim Francisco married his niece.

Now talking about the Andradas:

Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva is by far the greatest man in Brazilian history, and there are two former presidents of Brazil who agree with me – former president Jose Sarney and former president Fernando Cardoso.

To describe Jose Bonifacio greatness I would need to write many volumes.

Today, some Brazilians still know that Jose Bonifacio was the Patriarch of Brazilian independence. And Jose Bonifacio’s life it is fascinating in every way.

Antonio Carlos one of Jose Bonifacio’s brothers was one of the heads of the Mason revolution in Pernambuco in 1817. That revolution was crushed by the Portuguese and all the heads of that revolution were hanged with the exception of Antonio Carlos since the Portuguese were aware that he was a brother of Jose Bonifacio.

When Jose Bonifacio returned to Brazil in 1819 his brother Antonio Carlos still serving his 4-year prison term in a prison in Bahia.

After Jose Bonifacio’s death in 1838 both his brothers Martim Francisco and Antonio Carlos continued their political careers. And both brothers were responsible for the public demonstrations in support of the emancipation of Dom Pedro II.

When Dom Pedro II took office he rewarded the Andradas by appointing Antonio Carlos to the position of Prime Minister and Martim Francisco to the position of Finance Minister. That was the second time Martim Francisco had become Finance Minister of Brazil.

My great-great grandfather Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva (The Young) is better known for his intellectual capabilities and one of the chairs at the Brazilian Academy of letters is named after him – the chair # 22.

He also was well known for his fight on the floor of the senate to end slavery in Brazil.
Both his grandfather Jose Bonifacio (The Patriarch) and his father Martin Francisco were against slavery.

I am not the only idealist on my immediate family. My sister the twin that still alive, she does a lot of missionary work in many countries. She usually goes to about 3 missionary trips a year to places such as Haiti, Ecuador, Peru, Panama, Colombia, Rio de Janeiro, and so on.

For the last 12 years she has been going to Haiti for one of these missionary trips – she goes with a friend of her who is also a missionary. They stay in this very poor convent where they take care of kids with aids. Most of the kids on this convent have been abandoned by their parents and there kids from newborn to kids who are 5 years old.

They help wash the kids, feed the kids, and so on… and they stay on that place about 2 weeks every year. We usually worry about her because she is white and her friend also is white and Haiti is a country that is close to total collapse.

On all the missionary trips that my sister participate are to help all these very poor people.

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Reply to Conceicao
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 18, 2007
You said so much besteiras That it is not even worth trying to discuss anything with you.

You have not even grasped the basics of what is going on with China, globalization, the amount of wealth that is being accumulated by the Sovereignty Funds, the massive transfer of wealth that is happening today.

Go and study a little more about your Marxist theories and give me a break.

In your mind China is nothing more than a country of peasants dressed in Mao outfits.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 18, 2007
Answers to your questions and additional comments:

By the way, where do you live in Brazil? You mentioned that you live in the South of Brazil.


The Capital of SC.

Did you live for a time here in the US?


Yes, for a short duration and longer North of the Border.

She had some health problems – Lupus, pulmonary hypertension, and in the last few months of her life pancreatitis. She had a lot of pain in the last 3 months before her death and the last two weeks was a real nightmare.


Thanks for clarifying. Getting involved in work and interacting with other people helps to alleviate the sorrow, but at the same time cherishing the fond memories of the departed beloved ones.

You said: “One advice I would like to give you is to read the articles of a fellow Brasilian economist of yours Dr.Chirs Buarque and come out with your opinions. Even though I like to tease him, I think he makes lots of sense too.”


Chris Buarque´s articles are regularly published in this magazine and if you go through the list of articles published in this magazine, you will find his.He is a Senator and stood for the Presidential elections last year and lost. He also has his own web site. The biggest complaint of the commentators in this forum is that he doesnt participate actively. Of course I understand that he is too busy,but at least he could allocate one of his Englsih speaking advisors!

Maybe another General Castelo Branco is the only solution left.


I was wondering when you were going to say it!! I think our friends Bo and AES, should inform themselves about the history!!! May be you should invite your cousin in MG to write an article about this smilies/grin.gif

Ethanol has been a good solution for Brazil, but is not a solution that can be exported for other countries.


Bloody right again. We have a blogger who goes by the name of "Brazilian Dude" who has commented on this issue before. He must be somewhere with no access to the Internet.Otherwise, he would have come out with his comments after reading the last part of your article.

BTW, do you still speak, read and write Portuguese?
been there
written by forrest allen brown, October 19, 2007
took the old roamdeep up the 3 rivers dam and looking at it that way and the amount of people china has they could and will transform there desert to a green belt and feed there population with little to no help from out side

on the other hand brasil will sell off all its food stufs as the greed for money by brasilian company owners
will over come the needs of there own people

just pay them little , keep them dumb , and give them a 4 day drunk every 4 weeks
and they will be happy
Yes they will
written by Ric, October 19, 2007
While the U.S. sugar beet and sugar cane producers look beyond sugar to ethanol possibilities, the major effect of 100 dollar crude will be not towards alcohol but towards oil shale and oil sands, of which North America has an almost unlimited supply, and from which 20 dollar a barrel crude is currently being extracted.

Investors should be looking at companies involved in oil field production equipment, as jack up platforms amd holding facilities.

Political opinion tirades take away from an author´s credibility. One has the right to hold any views one wants on political subjects but must recognize that there is a price to pay for such sophomoric outbursts, if their are peripheral to the subjects at hand.
Forrest Allen Brown
written by angelinajolie, October 19, 2007
I personally think that the world is truly at crises. Not only Brazil but elsewhere. As an officer who is still under training in diplomatic services I personally belief that the time has come for all of us to look deep into each crises and start to find out the best way to keep our mind alert. Besides nobody should blame one another. The world is round and no matter where you travel you will always want to go home. If there is home on earth than let's make a great difference for us and our children of the future. We can't just hand out the unsolve problems that we face now to the next generation. The circumstances will be far outcry and most probably they will blame us of all the bad consequences. So let's start thinking and do some changes while we still can and before it is too late..........
Mozambique
written by Kenneth Carmon, October 19, 2007
Watch Mozambique. China has 30,000 executives there right now. This week 500 containers of rare logs were retained in customs that were being shipped to China. Logs must be sawed by Mozambicans before exporting and not exported as whole logs. The Chinese pay $80 per cubic meter for the logs and sell them for $200 in China. The Chinese attempted to bi-pass the local mills. The conflict is not centered on the fact that the logs are rare but who profits, the Chinese or the Mozambicans. Apply for any business permit in China at any level and the first and most important question you will be asked is, how will this enterprise benefit China? What China needs is raw materials, they don't need anything else. They have more than enough cheap labor and factories to produce refined products.
Speaking of Mozambique
written by aes, October 19, 2007
The only thief is the one that gets caught. The Chinese have been dealing jade for a thousand years. The better the colour the more valuable the stone. So logic dictates improve the color without detection. A Chinese dealer came into my store with jade. I asked him if it was dyed, he said, "no not dyed, natural, 100% natural." I asked him if he would mind if I tested it with acetone. He said, "oh no, don't test." I thanked him and he exited the store. Similarly a Chinese manufacturer of gold jewelry came in with a very well priced selection of "genuine 14 and 18 Karat." The Chinese had a not unearned rep**ation for under-karating, but stamping it anything they chose. I asked him if it was truly 14 and 18Karat. "Oh yes 100%," he said. I asked him if he would mind if I tested it with nitric acid, as this is the only test for determining the Karat of gold. "Oh no, don't test'. I thanked him for coming in to see me, but that I did not need anything at this time. They regard Americans as stupid, that do not have the sense to test what there eyes perceive. Just because a piece of jewelry is stamped 14K doesn't mean that it is; you can stamp a penny 14K, but it doesn't make it so. They did not bargain that I had been taught by Thai Chinese gem merchants. They were students in my English class. I taught them English and helped them generate a million dollars in business their first year; and they taught me ruby, sapphire and jade. The Chinese will teach you nothing that will help you make money unless you are family. Money is life. For the Chinese that is not merely an aphorism, but an historical fact.
Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 19, 2007
My condolences to you and your family. I hope that time can heal some of the pain. I have lost a loved one-my little nephew and have to say that life is never going to be the same for us. Keep up with the good work and even tough I am not 100% in agreement with you-reality is we all have different opinions, I applaud you for trying to find out solutions to the perils of our country. I do miss Brazil and wish that life was different. We don't have family here-my husband has some in California, but pretty much we are by ourselves and it is difficult during the holidays. I do believe that the politicians are to blame for the current situation in Rio and if we could do a "faxina" in congress, we would be much better.
Kenneth
written by Shelly, October 19, 2007
Apply for any business permit in China at any level and the first and most important question you will be asked is, how will this enterprise benefit China? What China needs is raw materials, they don't need anything else. They have more than enough cheap labor and factories to produce refined products.

Yes, they will do whatever it takes to get hold of raw materials because they are destroying their own country. Ricardo has some good ideas, but Brazil cannot enforce current laws regarding logging in the Amazon!
ric
written by Shelly, October 19, 2007
but towards oil shale and oil sands, of which North America has an almost unlimited supply, and from which 20 dollar a barrel crude is currently being extracted.

Did you see the magazine WaterKeeper, they mentioned that they are developing technology to extract some of the oil from the sands? This could have a major environmental impact, since they are disturbing an ecosystem, deposition of sand on beaches, erosion, use 2/4X more water-which we have to conserve.
"Alberta Tar Sands
Squeezing oil from Alberta’s tar sands makes standard crude oil look like solar energy in comparison. Each barrel of oil produced from the mixture of sand, clay and silt that holds the thick, oily bitumen requires two to four times more water than a comparable barrel of crude, and produces three times as many greenhouse gases.Tar sands perations are destroying thousands of square miles of one of North America’s last remaining wild forests, the Boreal, along with the wetlands and wildlife that depend on this fragile
sub-arctic ecosystem, including many of America’s migratory birds. Most of today’s tar sands production sites include massive open pit mines, some as large as three miles wide and 200 feet deep. Because only a small fraction of the oil-producing bitumen deposits are close to the surface (less than 20 percent), the rest of the deep reserves must be extracted by injecting steam underground and pumping the melted bitumen back to the surface. Once separated from the sand, clay and silt, the bitumen is a low-grade heavy
oil that must undergo yet another energy-intensive refining process to turn it into a crude oil that more closely resembles conventional oil.At 960 miles (1,538 kilometers) long the Athabasca River is Alberta’s longest river and one of the few undammed rivers left in North America. Up to four and a half barrels of water are drawn from the Athabasca to produce each barrel of tar sands oil. This water ends up in huge toxic tailings ponds. Currently planned oil sands projects will increase water withdrawals more than 50 percent to 529 million cubic meters per year — more water than Toronto uses each each year." WaterKeeper
Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 19, 2007
I am not the only idealist on my immediate family. My sister the twin that still alive, she does a lot of missionary work in many countries. She usually goes to about 3 missionary trips a year to places such as Haiti, Ecuador, Peru, Panama, Colombia, Rio de Janeiro, and so on.For the last 12 years she has been going to Haiti for one of these missionary trips – she goes with a friend of her who is also a missionary. They stay in this very poor convent where they take care of kids with aids. Most of the kids on this convent have been abandoned by their parents and there kids from newborn to kids who are 5 years old.They help wash the kids, feed the kids, and so on… and they stay on that place about 2 weeks every year. We usually worry about her because she is white and her friend also is white and Haiti is a country that is close to total collapse.

I am aware of the situation in Haiti. I am going to the Dominican Republic this summer to implement, with a group of 10 people some environmental conservation programs. DR's president and the people in general, has seen the link between respecting the environment and economic prosperity. They depend heavily on tourism and understand the correlation between clean beaches and money. If I have time, I am going to Haiti-I am somewhat fluent in French, worked for Air France and spent a lot of time in France. I would be interested in getting involved in some missionary work over there. Anyway, there is nothing wrong about being an idealist-as long as you don't harm others, and you are trying to help Brazil, a commendable act and I respect you for that. We need people like you aboard, we need good leadership and most people here will agree: the middle class is being squeezed, that violence is out of control, the poor need more economic opportunity, decent wages and education.
have
written by Shelly, October 19, 2007
have seen smilies/wink.gif
Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 19, 2007
I have sent you my personal e-mail, details will follow.
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written by Shelly, October 19, 2007
The American system is in shambles and it does not have a prayer to get any better because of the way the free market works - the oil companies don't want to give up their monopoly position and they will try to undermine the competition in every way possible.

Agree, there is no separation of "oil and state" in the US.
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written by conceicao, October 19, 2007
Oil dominates because of availability of supply but also because of price. The IMF has just reported that the only motor fuel source that can currently be produced at below the cost of gasoline is, no surprise, Brasilian ethanol - 20-25% less costly. The U.S. oil industry would love to have as much Brasilian ethanol as it could get right now to run through its refineries as the free market price of Brasilian ethanol would be lower than the free market market price of energy-equivalent crude oil. This whole situation proves
up the reality that the 54-cent tariff is wholly designed to discriminate against Brasilian ethanol production. The only protection going on is protection of oil-exporting enemies
of the U.S. like Chavez. Chavez, no doubt to his delight, thus benefits from the lack of a U.S. free market in motor fuel imports due to the gross distortions that have arisen throughout the U.S. economy because a bunch of millionaire pigs in Iowa can, through the political system, force their idiot tariff and associated preferences on the rest of the
country. And, on the margin, a few Brasilians die prematurely every day because of this stupidity.
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written by João da Silva, October 19, 2007
We need people like you aboard, we need good leadership and most people here will agree


We need people like you here in BRASIL and NOT abroad.
Joao
written by Shelly, October 19, 2007
We need people like you here in BRASIL and NOT abroad.

Thanks, you are such a nice guy. Anyway, I just came back from a doctors visit. I went this morning to a neurologist, since I suffer from severe migraines, I went to change meds. I found out that I may have rheumatoid arthritis. I have done some blood work today, he picked up some "possible" inflammation on my jaw joints, it hurts and it pops quite often. He said it is likely that I have the migraines because of TMJ and this could be caused by the R.arthritis. So, I am a little pissed today, this could seriously hurt my career and my future. I think old age is going to be difficult for me, maybe I will have to go back due to health reasons, apparently cold weather can make it worse. smilies/wink.gif
Shelly
written by João da Silva, October 19, 2007
He said it is likely that I have the migraines because of TMJ and this could be caused by the R.arthritis. So, I am a little pissed today, this could seriously hurt my career and my future.


You are taking the entire thing too seriously. Just dont get paranoic and remember that you have to wait for the complete results of the tests. I get migraine too, when I watch our politicos on the TV talking bulls**t! So take it easy and everything will be alrigth.

Also give up on your idea of going to Haiti and doing "Charity Work". I dont think that you are aware that we are doing lot of "charity work" , by being there on "peace keeping mission". I wonder what happened to the "Brazilian Dude" who has talked about the kind of charity mission we are involved in smilies/grin.gif

In the meantime, you take care and dont worry about the migraine. It will go away!
Angelinajolie
written by João da Silva, October 19, 2007
As an officer who is still under training in diplomatic services I personally belief that the time has come for all of us to look deep into each crises and start to find out the best way to keep our mind alert.


Ah, you are a Malaysian diplomat under training eh? How many languages do you speak besides English,Malay,Chinese,Hindi, Tamil,etc;. Probably Spanish and Portuguese?. The few contacts I had with the diplomats from your part of the world taught me something. They strive hard to learn the language of the country where there are posted and mingle with the "natives".

Out of curiosity: Once your training is over, would you be posted as a "First Secretary" in one of your embassies overseas?

Btw, how are our Chinese "allies" doing in Burma? Did they manage to convince the Generals to leave the Monks in peace? Are our new allies going to leave Tibet? Your comments are highly appreciated.
Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 20, 2007
You said: “My condolences to you and your family.”

Thank you.

You also said: “I am not 100% in agreement with you.”

Thanks God for that otherwise we would not be having this discussions – and it would be very boring if you were 100 percent in agreement with me.

You said: “I do believe that the politicians are to blame for the current situation in Rio and if we could do a "faxina" in congress, we would be much better.”

It is hard to put the blame in only one group, since there is a lot that wrong starting with the religious influences in Brazil.

You also said: “Ricardo has some good ideas, but Brazil cannot enforce current laws regarding logging in the Amazon!”

The main problem with logging in the Amazon is related to the Indonesian companies – and they don’t respect Brazilian conservation laws.

Following Conceicao’s way of thinking of complete unrestricted free trade – they should cut and sell up to the last Jacaranda tree in Brazil to make a quick buck – that’s the capitalism way.

I also have been reading about the problem with extracting oil from the tar sands and their use of a lot of freshwater.

I would not recommend that you do charity work in Haiti, since every time my sister goes to Haiti my mother is really worried about her safety – that place is a mess and they have approximately 80 percent unemployment.

I am very aware that the middle class is being squeezed, that violence is out of control in Brazil. In the last 30 years they have been trying to destroy completely the Brazilian middle class. I know a number of people who were very wealthy 30 years ago and today many of these people and also the new generation are struggling to be able to survive in Brazil.

I hope you have received my response to your email.

You mentioned in one of your postings that you have problems with migraine headaches.
My stepfather had a terrible problem with migraines – he went to the hospital a number of times and they did all kinds of tests on him – after many years of this vicious cycle he did not know what else to do – as a last resort on a recommendation of a friend he decided to try acupuncture, and he did about 5 treatments in a short period of time. After that he never had another migraine headache again. The migraine went away like a miracle.


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Reply to Angelinajolie
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 20, 2007
Hi Lina,

How are you?
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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 20, 2007
You asked me: “BTW, do you still speak, read and write Portuguese?”

Yes I am fluent in Portuguese even though my written Portuguese it is a little enferrujado, because I almost never have the chance to write anything in Portuguese.

Going back to the subject - Ethanol has been a good solution for Brazil, but is not a solution that can be exported for other countries.

Thanks God the United States has that tariff on imported ethanol from Brazil.

If the US had no tariff and Brazilians were aloud to export as much ethanol as they wanted – what would happen to the Brazilian economy?

Brazil it would lose its energy advantage that Brazil is enjoying right now. And the Brazilian companies would try to export most of its ethanol, and the price of ethanol would go way up inside Brazil to the Brazilian consumers in turn generating a major inflationary pressure in the Brazilian economy. Under this choice the Brazilian population loses because of the impact of inflation and higher prices and only a handful of ethanol exporters would benefit from this bad choice.

Food prices also would go away up in Brazil creating even more inflation as more farmers would switch from other crops to plant sugar cane to be able to increase the ethanol production for the export market.

With the price of a barrel of oil approaching $ 100 per barrel and possibly going even higher – this increasing price of oil situation will affect in a negative way the economies of a lot countries around the world – and it will not affect the Brazilian economy as much because of its unique energy position related to the use of ethanol.

The lower the price of ethanol is when compared with oil the better the economic advantage that the Brazilian economy when compared with the countries dependent on oil as the source of energy.

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Hot Spot in Brazil
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 20, 2007
By the way, yesterday I was reading the last issue of Inc magazine – a well know business magazine here in the USA. (Issue October 2007)

And that magazine had a very interesting article “ New Global Hot Spots – Look Beyond Shanghai for the Next Big Thing.”

The article listed about 6 new upcoming hot cities from around the world and they listed one city in Brazil. Here is what the magazine said:

“Belo Horizonte: population 5.3 million – hot industries includes mining, agribusiness, technology.

What’s new: Unlike bursting-at-the-seams Sao Paulo, Belo Horizonte has room to grow, not to mention a popular pro-business governor. The state government has spent billions recently to upgrade highways, rails, and the electric grid, which has attracted manufacturers and suppliers to the local mining industry.

Belo’s top universities have drawn companies like Google, which has an R & D lab here.

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Why Did Belo Put Their Airport Down In The Fog Zone If They Are So Smart?
written by Ric, October 20, 2007
Well, this morning I took some friends to the airport to catch the GOL to MAO and RR. We stopped off at the feira. Sellers were getting set up for the day. Pushcarts, portable stalls. My friends bought 50 crabs. Cost one real here, 5 reais in MAO. Put them in two boxes.

The airport dude wouldn´t accept them as baggage, so later I took them back. Can´t take live crabs as checked baggage. If you have to, put them in a suitcase instead of a cardboard box.

There was a guy at the street market at 6 a.m. in kwecas. Cuecas. Shorts only. That´s what Brazilian politicians often use to transport large amounts of cash. Don´t try it with live shellfish. Anyway, last night some ho slipped him a mickey in his drink and then took his wallet and clothes.

But I´m sure that this cautionary tale comes as no revelation to some of you fellow bloggers.

Why bring this up, now? Because obviously interest has waned in the title subject at hand.

The old Belo airport was UP ON THE HILL.

Ric
written by João da Silva, October 20, 2007
Well, this morning I took some friends to the airport to catch the GOL to MAO and RR


I guess RR=Ronald Reagan Airport. Question: Can you take live crabs into U.S. of A?
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written by conceicao, October 20, 2007
How could the price of ethanol go up in Brasil when Petrobras prices off of world market prices? I had assumed that Brasil had under Cardoso moved past the Iranian model of energy price controls, but I suppose Mr. Amaral longs for the good old days of the controlled economy - why worry about inflation when you can just index it away? As for the
Jacaranda tree, its problem is that no one owns it; thus, citizens of his ideological bent feel free to take what they can get. Face reality and deal with it; it is Lula's constituents that are cutting down the forest and they are doing it for fuel. Finally, let me remind you that ethanol, unlike the Jacaranda tree, is a renewable resource. How can anyone fail to see that selling the most ethanol the fastest optimizes economic development and opportunities for Brasilians? Aside from the Iowa corn farmers, the person most hurt by the
lifting of the tariff will be Chavez - and this is of course why people like Mr. Amaral support it. The price of motor fuel will not rise in Brasil from the lifting of the tariff, but the price that Chavez can get from exporting his heavy oil to the U.S.may well fall on the margin. Also, the forests in the U.S. Northeast have almost completely grown back. Brasil
can experience the same phenomenon along its Atlantic Coast if those of Mr. Amaral's persuasion would just get out of the way and accept modernity.
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written by conceicao, October 20, 2007
Let me add that the actual cash that Brasilian ethanol producers handed over to U.S. taxpayers under the tariff in 2006 would have been enough to fund something like 10-20%
of the Bolsa Familia. Thus, people like Mr. Amaral are so extreme and so in love with the corrupt ideology represented by Chavez, Castro, the Chi-comms, etc., that they would
literally take food out of mouths of the poorest Brasilians rather than let participants in the Brasilian ethanol industry earn an honest living in the world market eager for the
goods that they produce.
Sorry
written by Ric, October 20, 2007
By RR I meant the city of Boa Vista.
The Brazilian economy would be in no time down the toilet.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 20, 2007
Quoting from Conceicao’s postings – that’s pure Marxist talk:

1) the U.S. economy because a bunch of millionaire pigs in Iowa

2) that they would literally take food out of mouths of the poorest Brasilians rather than let participants in the Brasilian ethanol industry earn an honest living – to - Let me add that the actual cash that Brasilian ethanol producers handed over to U.S. taxpayers under the tariff in 2006 would have been enough to fund something like 10-20%
of the Bolsa Familia.

3) Her favorite reading material: corrupt ideology represented by Chavez, Castro, the Chi-comms.

4) She talks about how in favor she is of 100 percent free market ideals: then when her ideas produce major inflation inside the Brazilian economy her solution = why worry about inflation when you can just index it away.

Basically she wants to go back to the Zimbabwe inflationary style model of economy.

She also said: “How can anyone fail to see that selling the most ethanol the fastest optimizes economic development and opportunities for Brasilians?”

The price of motor fuel will not rise in Brasil from the lifting of the tariff (I guess in the US) –

Since the ethanol producers in Brazil would be able to sell their current production of ethanol into the domestic Brazilian market and also to the US market at the same time.

Or for them to increase ethanol production to sell on a more profitable US market Brazilian producers change the make up of domestic crop production shifting from soy and other crops into sugar cane production to be able to produce the ethanol.

With the higher demand from the United States with no limit in sight – considering that even if Brazil sells its entire ethanol production in Brazil it would not make even a dent in the amount that they will need in the United States considering that the US will increase drastically its demand for ethanol to add into their gasoline available for public consumption – even more now that oil prices is skyrocketing.

If there is any idiot who want to follow Conceicao’s suggestions the result would be catastrophic in Brazil - a major increase in the domestic price of ethanol for the entire Brazilian population and also taking away any benefits that she is working so hard for such as the bolsa familia.

Basically the price of the major crops would all go up with devastating results in food prices that people would have to pay at their local supermarkets – and that would affect also the pocket book of all the poor people that she talks about.

That’s how the free market economy works.

And what I find most unbelievable about Conceicao’s theories is that she want that the Brazilian economy to go back to the days of run away inflation and gimmicks such as indexing of everything else…. She wants to go back to the world of illusion.

With great ideas like hers the Brazilian economy would be in no time down the toilet.

By the way, members of my family sold about 2 years ago an ethanol refinery that they had in the state of Sao Paulo to some foreign company.


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Reply to Ric
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 20, 2007
I have never been in Belo Horizonte. But it seems to me that 50 percent of all Brazilian immigrants here in the New York/New Jersey/Connecticut Metropolitan area came from Minas Gerais. It is estimated that there are over 500 thousand Brazilians living in the our
try-state area.

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Brazilian Ethanol for the world
written by João da Silva, October 21, 2007
Somehow it gives me an impression that many peple who, in this blog and the articles related to it in this site, have NOT read the previous comments made by distinguished commentators like "Brazilian Dude", Ch.c, Ric, Forrest or myself who have known about this program since its inception.It is enough to read the comments made under the articles published in this site. In fact, Ric and I know plenty about the Ethanol run cars since we have used them. Probably the Brazilian Dude too. Ch.c, knows hard numbers. Basically Mr.Amaral´s message and that of people like those I cited is :Lets use our land and water resources to feed our citizens and the the rest of the world that needs to EAT. They buyes dont have to be just the Chinese, but could be Arabs, Indians, who either dont have enough land to grow food or the arid conditons of their land do not permit growing of food to feed their populations. Somehow, the message seems to be lost on some of our sporodic readers.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I repeat that I know about this Ethanol project right from the beginning. It was a strategic decision to develop this project by our erstwhile Military government for Brazil not to be held as hostage by people like Ayotullas, Chavez and other similar tin pot dictators with oil underneath their feet.However, along the way, our politicos decided to claim credit and sell it to the entire world as the only alternative fuel that would SAVE the entire world.

Ch.c mentioned almost a dozen times that India is the largest importer of Brazilian ethanol and I decided to check the veracity of his info. I found that to be correct. Not only that, but that country does not have ethanol run cars, but the refineries mix ethanol with gasoline to bring down the cost of Production. Naturally, as in the case of Brasil, the price at the pumps has not come down. For almost 30 years, I have seen the price per liter of Ethanol being manipulated for the consumers.So I am not going overboard to buy a new car that runs on this fuel,just because our government wants to sell this product overseas and increase our foreign currency reserves.

If you have any doubts, please pose your questions to Mr.Ch.c and not to Mr.Amaral who has more patience to go over this issue again and again and at some point, he may lose it too.

One more message: If the American bloggers in this site are so concerned about the import tax being charged by U.S. on Brazilian Ethanol, please go ahead and write to YOUR senators and complain. And I hope, when they do remove the Tax, the gas prices at your pump will come down, like it did in India and Brasil.
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written by João da Silva, October 21, 2007
By RR I meant the city of Boa Vista.


Thanks for the clarification. Cant believe that GOL refused to transport the live crabs from your place (SP?) to Boa Vista! In the good ole days, they used to catch shrimps before day break in SC,put them in Styrofoam boxes and transport to Foz by VARIG. The Restuarants in Foz were proud to serve fresh shrimps to their customers.
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written by conceicao, October 21, 2007
Notice that Mr. Amaral talks like a Soviet planning minister and never brings the concept of profit into the equation. I admit that tying the ethanol tariff to the Bolsa Familia
as above is almost total nonsense. Nevertheless, it is an appropriate comment for this thread since Mr. Amaral standard leftest line of trying to tie the ethanol issue to
environmental, food price and fuel price issues is even more nonsense. Brasil needs to earn foreign exchange and export profits to stabilize its economy. Let me remind
you that interest rates remain prohibitively high by global standards and don't seem to be dropping based on recent news. What about the balance of payment benefits from
ethanol exports, the tax revenues to support the primary surplus that Brasil needs to run, and the money that could well be deployed elsewhere that Brasilian producers are being forced to pay to U.S. taxpayers? Mr. Amaral's approach would suggest that these are non-issues when they obviously matter a lot to anyone interested in seeing Brasil improve its here-to-date lagging rate of economic growth. Brasil is under-developed economically. That means, by definition, that the kind of scarcity scare tactics employed by Mr. Amaral don't apply in the Brasilian context. Let me add, finally, that given the country's history and the centuries of misery for participants in the sugar sector of the economy, I find it odd that any Brasilian would react any way but enthusiastically at the prospect of being able to sell a sugar byproduct into a global market at the prevailing
price tied to hydrocarbon fuels. Given the profit margins involved, ethanol exports are literally a magic bullet for the developmental disadvantages under which Brasil has seemingly always operated. Plus, ethanol can be the lever to eliminate or reduce tariff and related restrictions on other Brasilian agricultural sector exports - isn't this
what the current Doha negotiations are about from the Brasilian standpoint?
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written by conceicao, October 21, 2007
If, for the sake of argument, food prices in Brasil were affected by the ethanol export industry and a government solution were thought appropriate, why would not the
preferred government response be to limit the export of lower profit margin commodities like beef, chicken and soy instead of killing the ethanol cash cow?
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 21, 2007
Notice that Mr. Amaral talks like a Soviet planning minister and never brings the concept of profit into the equation.


You must be a Soviet plant, Ricardo! Tu não prestas , carasmilies/grin.gif
Conceicao
written by aes, October 21, 2007
Sound economics. A concise analysis.
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 21, 2007

I don’t know why I still answering to Conceicao’s postings since she says a lot of besteiras – one after another.

But on the other hand maybe there are some other readers such as Conceicao who have not grasped the ideas that I was trying to convey on my 4-part series of articles.

Maybe if she had understood what I said on my 4-part series of articles she would not have said a lot of her nonsense.

Sometimes I give too much background on my articles – but I do that because I don’t want to assume that other people know everything that I know plus my practical business experience. I try to give as much detail as I can to clarify as many points possible to help the reader understand what I am trying to say.

It’s hard to discuss the big picture with someone who’s point of view is frozen in just one concept such is the case with Conceicao – and she does not have a full understanding even of the subject that she is talking about.

She has not grasped or has no idea that today the major pools of money are being accumulated by a number of countries that are using the money to invest on their Sovereignty Investment Funds. That is where the big money is being accumulated around the world – From Singapore’s Sovereignty fund, to the UAE fund, to this new Chinese investment fund. And these funds are accumulating more money as never seen before.

Let me explain a little further otherwise she will miss the point once again – The Gulf states in the Middle East are accumulating all this money because the demand for oil has skyrocketed in many countries - including in India and China - and these oil producing countries are swamped with the extra revenue from the increased demand for their product which in turn is pushing up the skyrocketing price of oil in world markets.

In the case of China they are accumulating a ton of money from selling all the products that they make into the United States and around the world.

Here is another besteira that Conceicao said: “Notice that Mr. Amaral talks like a Soviet planning minister and never brings the concept of profit into the equation.”
She has not grasped that the fund that I mentioned that would be created in Brazil to be responsible for the investment of the $ 200 billion dollars of China’s investment money – would contract the private sector to build all these infrastructure in Brazil - and when these companies that bid for each individual project their bid would include a reasonable profit margin - otherwise what is the sense of bidding on these projects if they were not allowed to make a profit?

Not only the projects would be built by the private sector, and the best proposal would win - these projects would create a lot of good paying jobs for millions of Brazilian workers including engineers, truck drivers, manual labor in construction sites, and so on.

The difference here is that the Chinese would have a better guarantee that they would be repaid in the future years since the Brazilian government is the one responsible for the payments of this large debt. And the Chinese have the incentive to lend such a large amount to Brazil, because the Chinese will need the interest on these loans in future years to pay the benefits to a large amount of Chinese who will be retiring in China.

This is not a Chinese give away to the Brazilians it is a business proposition as any other which has to be justified on the merits of each individual project.

The other part of the plan that passed a thousand miles above Conceicao’s head – is that all this infrastructure would help develop in Brazil an economy of the future – from tourism, to manufacturing, to the service industries and would be available all over the country and people would not have to move from where they live in Brazil to participate in this new economic boom.

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Reply to Conceicao
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 21, 2007
Conceicao said: “Nevertheless, it is an appropriate comment for this thread since Mr. Amaral standard leftest line of trying to tie the ethanol issue to environmental, food price and fuel price issues is even more nonsense.”

Here her nonsense does not even deserve a comment.


Conceicao said: “Brasil needs to earn foreign exchange and export profits to stabilize its economy. Let me remind you that interest rates remain prohibitively high by global standards and don't seem to be dropping based on recent news.”

First she says that inflation it does not matter because prices can be indexed – and she has no idea that inflation affects the level of interest rate.

And if you have inflation that would push interest rate higher in turn affecting all parts of the Brazilian economy.


Conceicao: “What about the balance of payment benefits from ethanol exports, the tax revenues to support the primary surplus that Brasil needs to run, and the money that could well be deployed elsewhere that Brasilian producers are being forced to pay to U.S. taxpayers?”

First, Brazilian producers are not forced to sell into the US market – and there is a very big world out there with other markets for their product – You talk about free trade then you keep whining how these bad capitalist pigs in the US – as you put it - are keeping Brazilian money that could deployed elsewhere such as the bank accounts of the ethanol producers in Brazil.

Here is a pathetic statement – “Brasilian producers are being forced to pay to U.S. taxpayers.”

Why don’t they have a tea party revolt in Brazil against this type of English imperialism?


Conceicao: “That means, by definition, that the kind of scarcity scare tactics employed by Mr. Amaral don't apply in the Brasilian context. Let me add, finally, that given the country's history and the centuries of misery for participants in the sugar sector of the economy, I find it odd that any Brasilian would react any way but enthusiastically at the prospect of being able to sell a sugar byproduct into a global market at the prevailing price tied to hydrocarbon fuels.”

Increased demand for a product which is usually followed by increasing price for that product – became a scare tacticaccording to Conceicao – the economic concept of increasing demand for a product followed by increasing price for that product has become a scare tactic – now I understand what is happening with the price of oil in world markets – which is approaching $ 100 per barrel of oil – it is just a scare tactic from the oil producing countries of the world.

Now that Conceicao explained to me I have a better understanding.

The US economy is getting scared to death right now – I am anyway every time I stop on a gas station to fill up the tank of my car with gasoline.

That reminds me of the Polish fellow who told his friend that the constant increasing price of gasoline did not affect him in any way.

His friend was puzzled by what his friend had just said and he asked his friend explain to me how the constant increases in the price of gasoline it does not affect you.

His Polish friend said: it is very simple every time I go to any gas station I ask the attendant to put $ 20 dollars of gas on my car. And I always ask for that same amount.

That’s similar to Conceicao’s plan to beat inflation.


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Reply to Conceicao
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 21, 2007
Conceicao: “Given the profit margins involved, ethanol exports are literally a magic bullet for the developmental disadvantages under which Brasil has seemingly always operated. Plus, ethanol can be the lever to eliminate or reduce tariff and related restrictions on other Brasilian agricultural sector exports…”


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It is worth to make a quickly comparison between my plan and what Conceicao is suggesting with her ethanol export plan.

My plan would create millions of jobs inside Brazil, and would connect Brazil with the world of tomorrow with infinite possibilities for the development of the Brazilian economy. All the parts of my plan would create good paying jobs – and would help to connect all kinds of Brazilian companies into the loop of the advanced societies and the industries of tomorrow – including hi-tech, service industries, and so on….

By the way, all these industries that I am talking about on my plan pays a higher wage for the people involved on most of these industries. And the potential to sell Brazilian products and services into the world market it would be limited only by lack of creativity, imagination and innovation of the Brazilian people.

My plan if implemented would help to open the doors to the future – the 21st century - and the sky is the limit – open the door to more tourism in Brazil, more service industry, more hi-tech industries, and an increase in demand for highly educated people to work in all these innovative ways of the future.

Now let’s go back to Conceicao’s future plans for the Brazilian economy.

Let me remind the readers of some facts: about 100 years ago 70 percent of the United States population made their living in some way related to agriculture – when the US population was around 90 million people.

Today, the US population is estimated to be around 305 million people and only a little over 2 percent of the US population make their living in anyway related to agriculture. Not only that, but the US agriculture market is so successful that they also help feed million of people out side the United States every year.

The modern farming system employs very few people and produces a lot – besides the wages of the people in agriculture are much lower than in many other areas of the economy specially when compared with the hi-tech areas.

Basically, Conceicao’s economic development plan for Brazil involves putting all Brazil’s eggs in an industry 100 years old with declining jobs prospect, and declining wages.

She thinks that the future of Brazil should based on millions of peasants working on sugar cane fields and getting an wage so low that the bolsa familia would look like a fortune for them.

Another thing that is happening here in the US regarding the production of ethanol – according to Conceicao it is just a scare tactic – anyway, during the year of 2006 because of the demand for corn increased so much and this increase was related to ethanol production – the price of corn doubled during the year – and to make things even worse many farmers started switching their crops from soybean, and other crops to corn since the price of corn was going up and being fueled by the high demand for that commodity – the result is that as the farmers started switching from soybean to corn – that created a shortage of soybean in the market and then the price of soybean also started moving up.

The problem is that corn and soybean are used as feed for all kinds of animals, such as cows, pigs, chickens and so on…and now these higher prices started showing up in the supermarket in the form of higher prices for all kinds of food items from meat, to milk and so on….

And higher prices on the economy is not good – it’s called inflation – and higher inflation eventually would affect the level of interest rates and the price of the currency in world markets.


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Reply to the people who asked me what they could do in Brazil?
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 21, 2007
Here is an example of how the new world works and something similar to the MoveOn website and organization can be created in Brazil to organize the Brazilian people into taking action to get rid of corruption and also the widespread crime in Brazil.

You can organize 1,000’s of weekly parties on volunteer’s houses to put in place some plan of action to fight back against corruption and crime in Brazil.

The wealthy people in Brazil has the incentive to fund such a organization in Brazil because the wealthy are also affected by the wave of crime that is out of control in Brazil and they are also worried about their family’s safety.


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Internet grassroots politics
“The day of the netroots”
Oct 11th 2007
From The Economist print edition

IN THE summer of 2005, a seat on the Supreme Court fell vacant. George Bush was obviously going to nominate a conservative to fill it. MoveOn.org, an online protest group, was determined to block whomever he named. Since MoveOn was emerging as a thunderous voice in Democratic politics, Matt Bai, a New York Times Magazine reporter, went to meet some of its 3m members. He was taken to a house party in Virginia. More than 1,000 such parties were being held that night in America, all organised by volunteers connected via MoveOn's website.

Mr Bai asked his host, Chuck, a prosperous ad man, what motivated him. Was it the Iraq war?

Or the fear that the Republicans might ban abortion? No, said Chuck, it was because he couldn't stand his Bush-supporting neighbours. “The rage just builds up inside me...I can't even go to parties around here anymore. I can't deal with it.” He had to do something. He considered peeing in a Republican neighbour's pool. Instead, he hosted a MoveOn party.
Mr Bai has stumbled on how the internet has transformed grassroots politics. It has allowed new groups of angry people—the most reliable footsoldiers of any political campaign—to find and talk to each other. The religious right has always been able to rally its troops through church pulpits and mailing lists. Now the anti-Bush left is doing something similar online. And most of the “netroots” (internet grassroots activists) are not, as you might imagine, tech-savvy 20-somethings. They tend to be like Chuck: middle-aged suburbanites alienated from their neighbours. “If college kids wanted to commiserate with someone over the fear and misery of life under Bush, all they had to do was walk across the hall,” notes Mr Bai. “For affluent boomers, there was MoveOn.”

His book is engaging and painstakingly reported. Mr Bai sets out to uncover the forces shaping the Democratic Party behind the scenes, both within and outside the party hierarchy.

He spends time with howling bloggers, billionaire donors and the politicians who try to accommodate their impossible demands. He is instinctively sympathetic to anyone on the anti-Bush team, but he can't help noticing what ghastly people some of them are.

He meets Hollywood luminaries who wail about being oppressed and disenfranchised, moneymen who think that money is everything and voters are morons, and bloggers who think that profanity is an adequate substitute for thought….


Source:

http://www.economist.com/books...=41972313



MoveOn Org

http://www.moveon.org/


Billionaire George Soros is one of the major supporters of MoveOn website.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 21, 2007
By the way, members of my family sold about 2 years ago an ethanol refinery that they had in the state of Sao Paulo to some foreign company.


Do you know why they sold it?
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written by conceicao, October 21, 2007
Sorry Mr. Amaral, it appears events have passed you by as usual. Just google "Brazil sovereign investment fund" and you will find Wall Street Journal discussion of Brazil having
accumulated enough reserves that it is considering starting its own sovereign investment fund. Apparently your scholarship is as vacuous as your economic analysis.
Reply to Conceicao
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 21, 2007
Conceicao said: “and you will find Wall Street Journal discussion of Brazil having
accumulated enough reserves that it is considering starting its own sovereign investment fund. Apparently your scholarship is as vacuous as your economic analysis.”

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First, I don’t care about what the Wall Street said – I stop reading that newspaper many years ago, and now that Ruppert Murdock bought that newspaper very soon that newspaper would not be any better than “The Inquirer” that newspaper than woman buy at the supermarket to read about gossip. If you want to be well informed then you should read The Financial Times – UK.

Second, the Gulf States oil producing countries have accumulated over $ 1.6 trillion dollars in foreign exchange reserves, and China has accumulated over $ 1.4 trillion dollars in foreign exchange reserves.

It is pathetic that you want to include Brazil in the same list as these countries – Brazil has around $ 163 billion dollars in foreign exchange reserves and Brazil has many uses for that money, but in today’s financial crisis prone international monetary system this level of foreign exchange reserves that Brazil is holding today can evaporate overnight
- it’s an amount barely sufficient to defend the real from a major international monetary crisis.


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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 21, 2007
You asked: “Do you know why they sold it?”

To invest in a better opportunity - to invest in real estate development in Brazil.

The smart money is always ahead of the herd.

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written by João da Silva, October 21, 2007
To invest in a better opportunity - to invest in real estate development in Brazil.

The smart money is always ahead of the herd.


Makes sense. Also coherent about our line of thoughts on the "Ethanol Project".

If you want to be well informed then you should read The Financial Times – UK.


Correct.

Also I read an interesting article and am pasting the link, in case you or the other readers have not read it already:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21338020/
"Brazil sovereign investment fund"
written by João da Silva, October 22, 2007
As long as this fund does not ask me to pay more taxes, I guess it is alright to create it. However, I have the fear at the pit of my stomach, that the founding Fathers,Mothers ,Cunhados ,Cunhadas, etc; of this fund are going to DEMAND that the middle class Brazilians contribute to this bloody fund.

For those people who are opposing Mr.Amaral´s recommendation that U.S. maintains the current import duty on our ethanol, I suggest that they look at the picture posted along with the 4th part of this article. The cost of a liter of Ethanol at the gas pumps is 1.44 reais, though it costs 1.49 in our state. That is about 3 Dollars per one U.S gallon.The gasoline prices are unbelievable 2.49 Reais per liter and ya all can calculate how much it costs in terms of U.S dollars using the exchange rate of 1.81 Reais to a Dollar.

I am sorry to say but our friend Ric has been saying things very interesting and nobody paid any attention.

It is really pathetic to find ourselves as the saviours of the world with our strategy of "Alternative Fuel", producing ethanol on the lands where we can grow FOOD for OUR own citizens and the rest of the hungry world as suggested by Mr.Amaral.

What I sincerely hope is that we dont try to convince the Arabs that they buy our Ethanol instead of our FOOD products. It would be very similar to sell them the sand !
Si! Senor
written by angelinajolie, October 22, 2007
I am truly glad that you still contact me online Senor Joao da Silva,

The truth about China and it's generals are highly complicated to describe. The first language that I learn from them is Chinese. They find me so unpopular and the truth about meeting up with them the next time will only make me feel so uncomfortable. The best thing I should do is " Ni Hoa Ma?" or say "How are you?" In fact, my Director is also a Chinese. In fact before a friend of mine went to the UN the other day she was busy asking , "Home come he is not supervising the other diplomats, why some diplomats don't even have a sit while I was giving a speech?" Where is he now?????? It is just like working with an iron lady and all of us must stand tough. In fact Senor Martin might agrees with me. He went to the UN the last time to issue his case about human traffickers and the best thing that he could do is just sit quietly like a mouse just next to that Chinese lady................
Senor Conceicao
written by angelinajolie, October 22, 2007
Just for your info. Brazil enonomy is improving. In fact, Brazil is at number 4 with the rest of the great economy in the world today. As in my country Malaysia, our Prime Minister is aiming at Space Technology with the Russian Technology Minister. In fact the Russian Minister is looking forward to bring in the no. 2 Malaysian astronaut. I belief Brazil is first to establish it's space mission earlier than my country. I guess nobody should feel small or retarded. We are not so small after all.

ECONOMY
written by angelinajolie, October 22, 2007
sorry for the spelling mistakes
Hello Ricardo
written by angelinajolie, October 22, 2007
I hope everything is ok! smilies/wink.gif
Senor Joao da Silva
written by angelinajolie, October 22, 2007
Just for your info,

In my country, it is truly difficult to become a diplomat. Our Prime Minister will choose only the best. As in my case, I manage to pass a government exam but it is not eligible for a title Her Excellency. Somehow many diplomats just like to tease me and call me Her Excellency............especially when they get into trouble with my Director.

There are few grades such as M41 (young diplomat)
41(government officer). Then I guess just like in Brazil the officers will have to take more and more exams...............
I am not sure for how long I will have to work in the diplomatic services. I am just a management science graduate. By right I should be working with the Science, Aerospace and Technology Department and at the same time liasing with the Russian Technology Minister. However, in the meantime I am working closely with a diplomatic institution especially for a third world country. For your info, my job is not confirmed yet by the government.
Brazilian Ethanol Know-How
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 22, 2007
One way of the ethanol industry in Brazil to make a lot of money by using its know-how – it is by creating some new funds with international investors – a fund geared at developing the ethanol industry in the Caribbean Islands such as Haiti, Cuba and so on….

Today, Brazil has troops in Haiti to keep that country from collapsing into a civil war – about 80 percent of the Haitian population is unemployed, land values are very low for obvious reasons. But long ago these islands were prosperous and a perfect place to grow sugar cane – today with Brazilian ethanol know-how these lands can become once again a prosperous place.

If Brazil adopts a new ethanol strategy involving all these islands in the Caribbean that would be a win-win strategy not only for the Brazilian ethanol producers, but also for all the Caribbean islands that the new Brazilian fund would make these investments on. When Brazil’s ethanol know-how help lift the economies of many of these Caribbean islands and create jobs to thousands of people on these islands, in turn they will become customers and will have money to buy all kinds of Brazilian goods. It would be as if Brazil was creating a new market to sell its goods.

The more prosperity Brazil can bring to the people of these islands the better will be for all parties involved on this deal.

Brazil can move quickly on a plan regarding the Caribbean islands including Cuba and they can start implementing their plan as Fidel Castro still living since he is a friend of Lula. (The truth is the old man can die at any time from now on.)

These Islands in the Caribbean islands are closer to the US market – and ethanol probably could be produced on these islands at the lowest costs since land prices are very low in Haiti, and with 80 percent unemployment the wages of workers it would be very competitive. The new prosperity on these islands brought by this ethanol boom would develop the foundations for the development of other types of business related to the tourism trade. And all of that can be done through the investment funds created to develop a sound ethanol industry on these islands.

This concept it does not contradict my view about the ethanol industry in Brazil, since all these Caribbean islands are not being used properly today as it is the case with Haiti.

I am aware that Cuba is a large sugar producer. But they also can be an ethanol producer to fulfill the ethanol needs of the US market. (In my opinion the US embargo against Cuba will end before most people have realized. It is a silly embargo anyway.)

Very soon Cuba will present a great opportunity for investments – in tourism and so on. The time to construct the foundations in Cuba it is right now. Cuba also will offer a great opportunity for companies such as Petrobras to help Cuba develop its other energy industry.

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Correction
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 22, 2007
One way for the ethanol industry in Brazil to make a lot of money...

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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 22, 2007
In my opinion, it does not make sense for Brazil to start a sovereign investment fund,
since the best investment that the Brazilian government can make right now it is in Brazil.

Regarding the price of oil here in our area – which is an of the cheapest in the United States – a gallon of gas goes for US$ 2.60 and up – but the price that we are paying right now it does not reflect the latest increases on the price of oil, they are saying that the price of oil will increase by $ 0.20 in the next few days and in few months we should be paying way over US$ 3.00 per gallon in our area – in places such as California the gallon of oil will be over US$ 4.00 per gallon.

I drive a Volvo the larger sedan, and the tank holds only 12 gallons of gas – but every time I have to fill it up it is another US$ 36 dollars going up in smoke. Last summer I paid at one time $ 3.25 per gallon and the price of a barrel of oil was much lower than now.

Very soon the barrel of oil will reach the US$ 100 level – and that it will be damaging to a lot of economies around the world, including many Latin American countries.

A lot people has not realized as yet the massive changes that we have had on the weather, just about everywhere – the weather is going crazy with major droughts in all the Continents (excluding the ones under ice) and the Hurricanes and Typhoons are not only more frequent by with a power as never seen before. Two months ago one of the Category 5 hurricanes that we had in the Caribbean achieved a new record – since they started studying hurricanes never before they had seen a hurricane developing from a small storm into a Category 5 in about 48 hours.

All you have to do is watch the international news and you are able to see how the weather is going crazy around the world.

As I mentioned on my article the entire ball game is changing very rapidly you can say that it is because of Global Warming or something else – it does not matter what you call it – and in the coming years most food exporting countries will have to reevaluate its position regarding the availability of freshwater, and so on.

Brazil it will be in an unique position on that regard and the potential to keep its agriculture business functioning is very good when compared with the other major food exporter from around the world.

With this major crisis in the making regarding food production to feed as many people as possible – In my opinion it will be immoral to use all the fertile lands in Brazil to feed automobile engines instead.

I am talking about use the land to develop ethanol for the export market. It is OK for Brazil to use the ethanol to free the Brazilian domestic market from a dependence of imported oil. I am in favor to keep the Brazilian market isolated from the shocks of the price of oil on the world market.

Let say one more thing here because I know people like Conceicao needs some further explanation. When these food shortages develop around the world in the coming years the price of all the food items for the export market will increase in price – it is a simple economic concept of high demand and shortage in the supply side push the price up.

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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 22, 2007
Let me tell you one quick story before we move to some other subject.

A very good friend of mine, and his family had a very large industrial farm in Texas – they had been growing corn for many years. Last year I told him again and again it is time to sell your family’s corn farm and cash in and get the highest price that you can get right now – and take advantage of the opportunity regarding these suckers that are coming to you with a bunch of cash. (A hedge fund – the bandwagon crowd)

I bothered him so many times regarding this subject when we met that I think that slowly he realized it was time to cash in - and finally in the beginning of this year he told me that his family had decided to sell the farm and the deal was going to be closed any day.

Finally in early May after many delays they close the deal and they sold the farm to some hedge fund. His timing was perfect since right after they had closed the deal the troubles started on Wall Street.

My friend got top dollar for his business and he is laughing all the way to the bank.

The reality is right now there are a lot of people working to resolve this energy crisis – and I would not be surprised if someone makes a major breakthrough in that area.

The United States still has a lot of brilliant scientists around.

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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 22, 2007
Thanks for bringing the article to my attention Joao – it is a very good article about China - it is worth quoting part of the article right here.

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“Immigrants chase the Chinese dream”
More emigrants heading East in search of safety, tolerance and opportunity
By Ariana Eunjung Cha
The Washington Post
Oct 20, 2007

YIWU, China - For more than three years, Khaled Rasheed and his family spent the nights huddled in fear as bombs exploded near their home in Baghdad. Like generations of would-be emigrants before him, he dreamed of a better life elsewhere. But where?
Finding a place that was safe was Rasheed's top priority, but openness to Islam and bright business prospects were also important.

It wasn't long before he settled on a place that had everything he was looking for: China.
For a growing number of the world's emigrants, China -- not the United States -- is the land where opportunities are endless, individual enterprise is rewarded and tolerance is universal.

"In China, life is good for us. For the first time in a long time, my whole family is very happy," said Rasheed, 50, who in February moved with his wife and five children to Yiwu, a trading city about four hours south of Shanghai.

While China doesn't officially encourage immigration, it has made it increasingly easy -- especially for businesspeople or those with entrepreneurial dreams and the cash to back them up -- to get long-term visas. Usually, all it takes is getting an invitation letter from a local company or paying a broker $500 to write one for you.

There are now more than 450,000 people in China with one- to five-year renewable residence permits, almost double the 230,000 who had such permits in 2003. An additional 700 foreigners carry the highly coveted green cards introduced under a system that went into effect in 2004.

Ethnic enclaves sprout anew

China's openness to foreigners is evident in the reemergence of ethnic enclaves, a phenomenon that hasn't been seen since the Communist Party came to power in 1949. Larger and more permanent than those frequented by expatriate businessmen on temporary assignment, the new enclaves evoke pre-revolutionary China, where cities such as Shanghai bustled with concessions dominated by French, British and Japanese.

The Wangjing area of northern Beijing is a massive Koreatown, complete with groceries, schools, churches, karaoke bars and its own daily newspapers. A few miles away, in the city's Ritan Park, signs in Cyrillic script and vendors speaking Russian welcome people from the former Soviet republics. In Yiwu, a city in the eastern province of Zhejiang that is the home of the world's largest wholesale market, "Exotic Street" lights up at night with stands filled with smoking kebabs, colorful hookahs and strong sugared tea for the almost exclusively Arab clientele….

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written by bo, October 22, 2007
Reply to Ric
written by Ricardo Amaral, 2007-10-20 18:18:31
I have never been in Belo Horizonte. But it seems to me that 50 percent of all Brazilian immigrants here in the New York/New Jersey/Connecticut Metropolitan area came from Minas Gerais. It is estimated that there are over 500 thousand Brazilians living in the our
try-state area.



try-state?


Missouri?


Sorry, that's the "show me" state. smilies/wink.gif
Ricardo: it is a simple economic concept of high demand and shortage in the supply side push the price up.
written by aes, October 22, 2007
it is a simple economic concept of high demand and shortage in the supply side push the price up.


It is equally axiomatic that when there is increased price there is increased production. it becomes profitable for what otherwise would be marginal sources of production to come on line. Brazil's capacity for production has hardly been realized.

The only manifest problem with this paradigm of an idealized Brazilian agricultural endgame is that such a paradigm fails to provide meaningful employment. What it may do is provide the capital for an educational renaissance. Without such a renaissance there is no possibility of increasing Brazil's capacity for industrialization and its consequential boon to employment. Agriculture cannot and will not be the end all and be all of Brazil's problems of fulfilling the promise of the masses of its population.
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 22, 2007
The United States still has a lot of brilliant scientists around.


They will continue producing more and more Scientists of this kind, while we will be killing the good ones we still have. Believe me when I say it, for I do not make light statements on such issues.
Reply to Bo
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 22, 2007
It should be tri-state.

I noticed a number of errors on my last postings - I just wrote the stuff and posted without checking out for possible errors.

Sorry, I am getting a bit sloppy with my postings.

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AES
written by João da Silva, October 22, 2007
Without such a renaissance there is no possibility of increasing Brazil's capacity for industrialization and its consequential boon to employment.


This renaissance is going to take a long time to occur, my friend. Remember the old proverb "Ignorance is a bliss".
Ricardo/Bo
written by João da Silva, October 22, 2007
Sorry, I am getting a bit sloppy with my postings.


No need to apologise. Our good friend Forrest would have given a different kind of answer to Bo!

Bo, would you mind explaining to our distinguished bloggers why the state of Missouri is called as "show me" state by the artisocratic West Virginians ? smilies/grin.gif
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written by conceicao, October 22, 2007
Angelinajolie, thanks for your comments, but I am in no way criticizing Brasil or Brasilians. My point is that Brasil needs export profits to develop more quickly, i.e.,
something more like the Malaysian model.
Joao: Origins
written by aes, October 22, 2007
Willard Duncan Vandiver, who served in the United States House of Representatives from 1897 to 1903. While a member of the U.S. House Committee on Naval Affairs, Vandiver attended an 1899 naval banquet in Philadelphia. In a speech there, he declared, "I come from a state that raises corn and cotton and c**kleburs and Democrats, and frothy eloquence neither convinces nor satisfies me. I am from Missouri. You have got to show me." Regardless of whether Vandiver coined the phrase, it is certain that his speech helped to popularize the saying.

Other versions of the "Show-Me" legend place the slogan's origin in the mining town of Leadville, Colorado. There, the phrase was first employed as a term of ridicule and reproach. A miner's strike had been in progress for some time in the mid-1890s, and a number of miners from the lead districts of southwest Missouri had been imported to take the places of the strikers. The Joplin miners were unfamiliar with Colorado mining methods and required frequent instructions. Pit bosses began saying, "That man is from Missouri. You'll have to show him."

However the slogan originated, it has since passed into a different meaning entirely, and is now used to indicate the stalwart, conservative, noncredulous character of Missourians.

Resources:
Rossiter, Phyllis. "I'm from Missouri--you'll have to show me." Rural Missouri, Volume 42, Number 3, March 1989, page 16.

Reply to AES
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 22, 2007
That’s why I mentioned on my posting what happened to farming here in the United States in the last 100 years. That area of the economy employed 70 percent of the population 100 years ago, and today there is a little over 2 percent of the US population working on jobs related to agriculture.

Industrial farming is a very mechanized type of business today and these industrial farms don’t employ too many people.

My economic development plan for Brazil boils down to a single connection – investment capital from China to develop the various areas that I mentioned of the Brazilian economy – a plan that would create millions of good paying jobs in Brazil – in exchange for some kind of “Social contract” with China that Brazil will be a stable and constant source of food supply to help feed the massive Chinese population.

Keep in mind: starving people can get out of control, they can riot, create bloodshed for the rest of the world to watch it on the 24/7 news cycle on television, and they even can start a revolution or civil war.

My plan is a win-win situation for China and also for Brazil.

I am aware of what happened in Brazil in the last 35 years regarding the transformation that Brazil went through regarding its agriculture area.

In the early seventies when the farming system started to become mechanized in Brazil the new way of farming displaced a few million peasants in the farming areas of Brazil in a very short period of time.

Then someone came up with an idea - a quick fix – and we are paying the price of that quick fix up to today.

The government came up with a program to give a fresh start for many of this people in the Amazon area of Brazil. They told this poor people if you get to the North of Brazil the government would provide you a small piece of land and would help them get started on this new location.

When they created that plan the Brazilian government was estimating that about 500,000 people would manage to get to the North of Brazil to claim their piece of land.

For everybody’s surprise about 5 million people showed up to make their claim. But nobody in the government took the time first to test if all that land was good for agriculture, and the rest is history.

Turned out that the environment in that area was not good for agriculture, and all these people started the vicious cycle of moving around to a new piece of land every few years.
The original 5 million people from the 1970’s multiplied over the years and today we might have 20 million people going through that cycle. The world want that all these peasants stop burning the Amazons, but the question is: what to do with all these people?

Where should they go? What kind of jobs they can find somewhere else?

Who has the answer to solve this massive problem?

Most of the time the quick fix of today might snow ball into the massive problem of the future.

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written by conceicao, October 22, 2007
Mr. Amaral's discourse on the potential benefits of Brasilian ethanol technology transfer to the Caribbean (ex-Cuba) are 100% correct in my opinion. The problem of course is
the U.S. tariff and related restrictions on ethanol imports. Very interesting to me that so little has been accomplished in terms of bringing on Caribbean ethanol production,
despite the limited access to the U.S. market allowed under the Caribbean trade agreements. The situation probably speaks to the sophistication of the Brasilian technology, the
scale required to produce the product at a cost below that of gasoline, and the distrust among potential producers that ant window to the U.S. market. I would love to see the
Brasilian sovereign investment fund buy up 10% of Archer Daniels Midland stock and then demand a seat on the board. Could be a good first step toward developing an ethanol
policy for the hemisphere that makes sense for everyone.
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written by conceicao, October 22, 2007
Instead of pointing out that the Chinese have lots of currency reserves and Brasil has lots of agricultural potential and trying to match the two, why not observe the manner in which China accumulated the reserves, i.e. exports, and try to adapt the model to Brasilian reality and focus on exporting agricultural goods. Agriculture is Brasil's primary area of comparative advantage. You can get capital from a broad number of sources. Why sell Brasil's crown jewel to a country that has a far inferior - as measured by per capita GDP -
record of achievement that Brasil's own?
Conceição
written by João da Silva, October 22, 2007
Instead of pointing out that the Chinese have lots of currency reserves and Brasil has lots of agricultural potential and trying to match the two, why not observe the manner in which China accumulated the reserves, i.e. exports, and try to adapt the model to Brasilian reality and focus on exporting agricultural goods. Agriculture is Brasil's primary area of comparative advantage. You can get capital from a broad number of sources.


Mr.Amaral´s line of thoughts is just like ours. I can almost read his mind!

You can get capital from a broad number of sources


A very Good question. I will let Mr.Amaral respond!!

Btw, I dont approve of his project of bullet train between Rio and SP. Let the jet set crowd from Rio can finance it
AES
written by João da Silva, October 22, 2007
Willard Duncan Vandiver, who served in the United States House of Representatives from 1897 to 1903. While a member of the U.S. House Committee on Naval Affairs, Vandiver attended an 1899 naval banquet in Philadelphia. In a speech there, he declared, "I come from a state that raises corn and cotton and c**kleburs and Democrats, and frothy eloquence neither convinces nor satisfies me. I am from Missouri. You have got to show me." Regardless of whether Vandiver coined the phrase, it is certain that his speech helped to popularize the saying.


Thanks AES for your clarifications. Probably Vandiver was Van Diver and of Dutch descent! I think he said the right thing in the banquet and I liked it. It coincides with my way of thinking. If nobody in a meeting likes what I propse, I say "Great, then show me your way,how we could accomplish the goal". I have found that in general the response is a pin drop silence!!
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 22, 2007
Ricardo, I would like you to read the article of Senator Chris Buarque titled "Emperor Dom Pedro's Nightmare: Brazil Has Frozen in Time", he published in this magazine today.

And come out with some comments.CB gives me an impresion that he isquite frustrated. Lets see how we can wake him off his slumber!
Tank Time
written by Ric, October 23, 2007
China's export activity is 36.6% of their GDP. 21% of thoise exports go to the USA.

The bursting of the Housing Bubble in the USA will almost certainly pop the Asian Bubble as well. Hang on for the ride.

Or not, if you disagree.
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written by bo, October 23, 2007

AES was correct in his answer...there's also another version.

Other versions of the "Show-Me" legend place the slogan's origin in the mining town of Leadville, Colorado. There, the phrase was first employed as a term of ridicule and reproach. A miner's strike had been in progress for some time in the mid-1890s, and a number of miners from the lead districts of southwest Missouri had been imported to take the places of the strikers. The Joplin miners were unfamiliar with Colorado mining methods and required frequent instructions. Pit bosses began saying, "That man is from Missouri. You'll have to show him."


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Major Clarification regarding my article about China and Brazil.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 23, 2007
I want to make one thing very clear about my suggestion that the China Sovereignty Fund invest in Brazil $ 200 billion dollars over a period of years.

All the new Chinese investment money on this plan would be for new investments in the areas that I indicated on my article. I am not suggesting in any way or form that China should start buying the major corporations already existent and very successful in Brazil such as Embraer, Vale do Rio Doce, Petrobras and many others.

If that happened it would be a major mistake by the Brazilian government to let foreigners to take control of the best companies operating in Brazil.


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Today China it does not need an army to weaken and beat the United States as some TV broadcasting talking heads suggest all the time almost in a frenzy and they claim that this time around the Communist Chinese are coming.

What they have not realized as yet is that the Chinese already have the United States by the balls since the Chinese have been extending unlimited credit to Americans to support their trivial spending.

The US is trillions of dollars in debt and they have nothing to show for all this massive accumulating debt (death).

I guess the word debt and death can be used interchangeably in this context – meaning slow death.

The Chinese have already learned that the best way to dismantle the US capitalist system it is from the inside and a year ago China bought a US$ 3 billion stake in the Blackstone Group – a private equity firm in the US.

Following in the same path and strategy right now China's CITIC Securities have agreed to invest $ 1 billion dollars on Bear Stearns, the US investment bank battered by slumping mortgage markets in the US.

There’s no better strategy for the Chinese to take the US economic machine apart than to invest on these types of companies.

Private equity companies are like parasites making their money and living by buying companies and striping them from any assets that are worth anything them flipping the carcass over back into the market.

Or they buy companies and merge them, take big fees for the fiasco, raid their pension funds, lay-off people and after all the damage is done they flip these once healthy companies back into the market.

Basically these private equity firms are bottom feeders, and predators and very rarely they create real value or companies healthy companies that would grow and provide new jobs for the US population.

If the Chinese play their cards right - the right investment in the right private equity firm in the US can be a great investment from the Chinese point of view since these private equity companies would help weaken the companies operating in a certain area – probably that is the cheapest way for the Chinese to eliminate the competition here in the US on areas that they want to expand in China - and at the same time they can make a lot of money through these predators here in the US.

The more money the Chinese invest in the United States on these private equity firms and also in many hedge funds – the faster they can undermine the entire economic structure of the US economy since these guys operate by laying-off people, by transferring America jobs overseas, by raiding their pension funds, by eliminating many of benefits that Americans used to have, and so on.

The guys in Wall Street would sell even their mothers to make a quick buck, never mind the future of the country.

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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 23, 2007
Joao said: “Btw, I don’t approve of his project of bullet train between Rio and SP. Let the jet set crowd from Rio can finance it.”

That would be great to develop the international tourism to that entire coast area.
That would be the best area to install these bullet trains because not only the coast in magnificent and spectacular, but a bullet train would simplify the inflow of international tourists when there are bullet train connections to the major international airports in Brazil in Sao Paulo to Rio de Janeiro and all the coast areas.

That entire coast area can become a future French Riviera of Brazil creating great job opportunities for the Brazilian population – jobs related to the tourism trade.

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written by bo, October 23, 2007
The US is trillions of dollars in debt and they have nothing to show for all this massive accumulating debt (death).



Come on now...nothing? That's certainly not accurate. I can think of at least 14 permanent military bases in a strategic part of the world. The U.S. hasn't been making decisions based on "today" for a long time. They make decisions based on 50 years and more from today.
Here is the group that I admire.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 23, 2007
Before some people come to the conclusion that I am anti-capitalist let me clarify for them where I stand.

The venture capitalists are the group that invest in the future of the country by taking risks and investing in start-ups, or in new companies that are showing great prospects for the future.

The venture capitalists deserve all the money that they make since they invest in the future of the country, in the new technologies, and usually many of these companies are the engines that provide most of the new jobs for the economy.

The venture capitalists are my kind of people and I admire that group, and at the same time I have complete contempt for the predators and bottom feeders.


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Reply to Bo
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 23, 2007
You said: “Come on now...nothing? That's certainly not accurate. I can think of at least 14 permanent military bases in a strategic part of the world. The U.S. hasn't been making decisions based on "today" for a long time. They make decisions based on 50 years and more from today.”


The world is too big and very complex only fools would think that they could dominate the world by force.

The US is pissing a ton of money away to fight the last war. That world is dying very fast and the meantime the rest of the world is investing in the future.

The reality is today the United States is not even in the position of keeping up with a new arms race with the Chinese and the Soviet Union since these countries have a ton of money today. On the other hand the United States has an army that is having all kinds of problems fighting even a small group of people in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The entire war machine of the United States is being destroyed in Iraq because of heat and sand storms – these weather events are destroying the helicopters, the tanks, the trucks, the airplanes and anything that comes in contact with the very high heat and the sand storms. By the way, sand and machinery don’t mix too well – never mind the high heat.

The next big war it will be fought from space anyway with missiles being shot at targets here on earth from satellites that would be moving around the earth and could hit any target that they want.

If the Chinese and Russians wanted to start a new arms race with the United States – then please tell me who is going to finance the US side of that race since the US is already $ 10 trillion dollars in debt and the US has a massive amount of baby boomers who will grab any type of money available in the US economy to finance their needs related to Social Security, Medicare, pensions, and so on…. And the senior citizens are a powerful group who vote and they can keep things going their way in the US.

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(1) facist (2) nationalista preconceituoso (3) out of touch with reality
written by hegemon, October 23, 2007
Ricardo,
You are obviously (1) a right-wing fascist, (2) a narrow-minded nationalist, and (3) seriously deluded. (1) A right-wing fascist is someone who supports government-managed capitalism ("dirigismo" of the Mussolini-Getulio type - this is fascism) and thinks an authoritarian government is required to do the managing (thus your praise of the right-wing Brazilian generals). (2) A narrow-minded nationalist is someone who is so fanatical about what they think is good for their country (in your case, you believe in right-wing fascism) that they loose all sense of proportion. This is reflected your obsequious portrayal of China (no doubt you love their authoritarianism too) and in the anti-US diatribes that you have posted in the comments section, both of which are obviously motivated by anti-American paranoia which is one of the prime traits of the Brazilian ultra-nationalist. Anyone with a college education who thinks that your proposed Brazil-China pact has any chance in hell of becoming a reality has to allowed his emotions to seriously cloud his judgement.
Dom Amaral
written by aes, October 23, 2007
Do you not think that in 1989 the U.S. did not decide the current fate of China? That the democratization of China was a choice to control the direction of China? For example the favored nation status that was afforded to China, that allowed China to export goods into the U.S. essentially duty free? Did that not create the carrot, in the metaphor of the carrot and the stick inorder to influence China's global behavior? That a society that has private capital to lose begins to listen to that capital and the political and economic requirements of that capital? China in the past 17 years continues to behave militarily, plotting, stealing state secrets, ie. space technologies that allowed China to develop its rocket science. But China has begun temper its behavior, to soften its behavior to the rhythm of market commerce. China's currency is artificially undervalued. The playing field will and must be made level. The time for babying China is past. Pacification continues, but it is reaching endgame. When China begins to be forced to pay its citizens a GDP Per Capita income that is commencerate with its economic activity, the amount of its reserve advantage must by consequence be reduced. When Chinese goods begin to enter the global market priced at parity with European goods or American goods China will be brought to heal by its own choices. What paid for WWII? Bonds. And if it is required by war, taxes will be raised, bonds will be floated, protective tarrifs will be raised, and the draft will be reinstated and the whole country, not 1% of the country will be at war. Those are arrows in the eagles talons of the great seal as well as well as the olive branch. If there is no duty, country honor; there can be no country. If the individuals rights do not include the maintenance of those rights there will be no individual rights. The price of Freedom is the requisite price of service. Never underestimate what the U.S. can do or what it will do; the U.S. will do what it needs to do. The U.S. has helped China help itself. This is beyond their conception. You do not help an adversary. You do not help competition. Logic dictates. America is a Christian country. It's philosophy is the brotherhood of man. The individual's right come from the rights of all men, not just the rights of the Chinese. The Chinese believe in the rights of the Chinese not the rights of man. Ask the Dalai Lama he surely knows.
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 23, 2007
All the new Chinese investment money on this plan would be for new investments in the areas that I indicated on my article. I am not suggesting in any way or form that China should start buying the major corporations already existent and very successful in Brazil such as Embraer, Vale do Rio Doce, Petrobras and many others.

If that happened it would be a major mistake by the Brazilian government to let foreigners to take control of the best companies operating in Brazil.



Ricardo,I am afraid that you have not been keeping track of what is happening in Brazil for the past decade.One reason I asked you about the degree of your comprehension of written Portuguses you have been living in U.S for years and in spite of it, I thought you would be reading the on line newspapers from Brasil. Never mind.

EMBRAER and CVRD are no longer owned by the government. They along with TELEBRAS were sold off to foreigners during the mandates of FHC. All for less than their real market values.The story of TELEBRAS is more pathetic and its brand name ceased to exist a long time ago. Considering that Petrobras, Banco do Brasil and CEF are cash cows, it is a question of time before they are sold to investors from overseas. If the Chinese have enough money to buy any of these state owned entities, I dont think that the government is going to stop the sales!

Private equity companies are like parasites making their money and living by buying companies and striping them from any assets that are worth anything them flipping the carcass over back into the market.

Or they buy companies and merge them, take big fees for the fiasco, raid their pension funds, lay-off people and after all the damage is done they flip these once healthy companies back into the market.

Basically these private equity firms are bottom feeders, and predators and very rarely they create real value or companies healthy companies that would grow and provide new jobs for the US population.


The same thing is happening in this country and if you keep track of the news from Brazilian On line newspapers, you will not see any difference. Btw, all the privatized companies threw lots of people on the street. One tendency I have been noticing is for the government to get creat regulatory agencies to write laws to regulate (or restrict) the entry foreign capital to build the infrastructure such as roads,airports,ports, etc;.These agencies are creating jobs for the Brazilians, espcially for lawyers and the politcal appointees and many of these agencies do not even know how to regulate themselve,the glaring recent example being ANAC.Some months ago, I was reading an article in a National magazine that was talking about the government jobs becoming attractive again for the Brasilians.FYI, the fresh lawyers are the best paid ones and the engineers the least.

Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 23, 2007
Continues,because the web site scolded me for my comments being too long!

That would be great to develop the international tourism to that entire coast area.
That would be the best area to install these bullet trains because not only the coast in magnificent and spectacular, but a bullet train would simplify the inflow of international tourists when there are bullet train connections to the major international airports in Brazil in Sao Paulo to Rio de Janeiro and all the coast areas.


Ricardo, theoretically your idea sounds good to me about bullet trains to attract International Tourism. Sometime ago, there was some talk about Japanese investors interested in this project. Nothing was heard of since then. Also do you honestly believe that the International tourists will be interested in taking the "Bullet Trains" right in the midst of "Bullet Rains"? Besides, I consider laying rail tracks to transport goods and people from the interior of the country as a priority.

The venture capitalists are the group that invest in the future of the country by taking risks and investing in start-ups, or in new companies that are showing great prospects for the future.

The venture capitalists deserve all the money that they make since they invest in the future of the country, in the new technologies, and usually many of these companies are the engines that provide most of the new jobs for the economy.


I have no argument about it. Unfortunately, no rich Brasilian is going to venture his capital in the projects you have proposed in your article, not because they are not good for Brasil,but due to the fact that Brasil is a rudderless ship at this moment.

I have read the comments made by Bo and you about the U.S. I asked you if you have read the book "The Bear and the Dragon" by Tom Clancey. You are very good in International Economics and I am sure you did very well in your MBA too.It is worth getting more interested in Geopolitics also! As you rightly said in one of your comments, the world is changing so fast that it is difficult to predict what is going to happen next year-unless a nation plans for 50 or more years (quoting Bo). At the time of your ancestor, Bonifacio, it was more time consuming, though.
AES
written by João da Silva, October 23, 2007
Ask the Dalai Lama he surely knows.


That was a good one AES! If I may be allowed to modify your sentence, it would be "Ask Dalai Lama and the Buddist monks in Burma . They surely know, provided they are permitted to say in public."
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 23, 2007
Joao said: “Ricardo,I am afraid that you have not been keeping track of what is happening in Brazil for the past decade.One reason I asked you about the degree of your comprehension of written Portuguses you have been living in U.S for years and in spite of it, I thought you would be reading the on line newspapers from Brasil. Never mind.”

Yes I am aware that many of these companies have been privatized. It is OK if the privatized companies are in the hands of Brazilians such pension funds and so forth.
What I am trying to say is that the Brazilian government should block the transfer of certain Brazilian assets into foreign hands. In the same way the United States blocked the sale of Unical to China, and the control of various ports in the US to the United Arab Emirates government.

The government should study up to what percentage of a major company it’s acceptable to be on foreigner hands regarding certain strategic industries in Brazil including the shares of major banks and insurance companies, and so on….

Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 23, 2007
Joao also said: “It is worth getting more interested in Geopolitics also!”

If you read many of my articles you would realize that I wrote enough about the Middle East including Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and also about China, Angola and so on….
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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 23, 2007
Joao said: “You are very good in International Economics and I am sure you did very well in your MBA too.”

Yes, I did very well in College and in graduate school and I was a straight A student on my major – economics.

But here is one of the places where I got a very valuable education.

In the early 1970's when I was a very young man, I was lucky to work for a few years at Templeton, Dobrow and Vance in Englewood, NJ. I had a great time during those years, and I used to hang around and go to lunch on a daily basis with a bunch of old investment advisors. Some of these men had been working as financial analysts for Sir John Templeton for over 25 years at that time.

In case you don't know whom I am talking about; Sir John Templeton is a legend in Wall Street, he is a "Master" in the field of investments, and there are only a hand full of people that are in the same league as Mr. Templeton such as Warren Buffet, George Soros, and very few other people.

I was studying for a B.A. in economics at the time, and every Monday we had a meeting to discuss what was happening in the stock market, and the strategy for that week. The meetings usually lasted most of the morning, and we had guest speakers from Wall Street on a regular basis.

I used to stay in the office after hours discussing about stocks with some of the other investment counselors. One of the old analysts became my very good friend, and we spent hours and hours in the research library going through the files of companies. These files had all kind of information about most companies, from annual reports, newspaper clippings, to quarterly reports, 10-Q, etc, etc.

After working very close for over 25 years with Mr. Templeton, my friend learned a lot about how Mr. Templeton did his analysis, his philosophy, and his way of looking at investments.

I learned a lot from my old friend, and also from many of the investment counselors and after Mr. Templeton sold that company and moved to the Bahamas, I had the pleasure to meet him in Englewood, and in New York City a number of times over the years.

Mr. Templeton is the smartest man that I had the pleasure to meet in my entire life. It was a privilege to have the chance to meet and work for such a person. Mr. Templeton is an outstanding man in every sense.


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Ricardo: increased variety, has improved quality." And if a business is not ethical, he added, "it will fail, perhaps not right away, but eventually."
written by aes, October 23, 2007
" And if a business is not ethical, he added, "it will fail, perhaps not right away, but eventually."

And what of a nation? And what of a people? And what of Brazil? Templeton seems merely an economic opportunist contributing to humanity later rather than earlier in his life. As Templeton realizes, the raison d'etre of man is the giving. But for the majority of Templeton's life he was engaged in the meaningless acquisition of wealth, no matter how intelligently he did it. It is only the good you do that has any meaning, and thus Templeton arrives mieux vaut tard que jamais to this proposition. But what has Templeton done to change the course of man with all his billions. He gerously gives millions. That is not generosity it is comparitive niggardliness. Templeton has been part of the problem and is only now part of the solution, no matter how parsimonious. What are the works of Templeton's life, no matter how smartly arrived at. Wall Street are an eternal band of thieves, profiting off the ignorance of others, instead of teaching he has practiced the art of opportunism, crass personal aggrandisement. Instead of enlightening men he pocketed from their ignorance. What profits a man if he gains the world and loses his soul. So he came to realize this and established a philanthropic foundation, it is merely a start to an atonement. He knows how to make a profit, he knows now that the path to god is not achieved through profit, but through charity.
Reply to AES
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 23, 2007
AES: “If the individuals rights do not include the maintenance of those rights there will be no individual rights.”


I hate to be blunt with you but the reality is everything that is in over supply losses its value including human beings.

I remember seen a program about Mother Teresa and Calcutta, India many years ago on television – that program was a study on extreme poverty and there is only one thing about that program that stayed with me all these years – I realized that an over supply of human beings devalue the worth of each individual person.

Some people were starving or sick and there was no help for them and many homeless people just died on the sidewalks. When these poor people died their bodies stayed on the sidewalk sometimes for an entire week until the wagon passed around to collect the dead people. Then they showed when the wagon came and there were a pile of bodies on top of it – the bodies that they had been collecting around town just on that day.

That kind showed me the reality of over-population. The value of human life diminishes as a country increases its over-population.

Human rights is a beautiful concept and civilized countries should adopt and practice it – but I am aware that when you have an over supply of people then you can’t use such a concept because it can’t be practiced in reality – for example in countries such as India and China.

The concept of human rights as we understand it would go down the toilet in no time in the United States if the US had a population of 1.3 million people.

In a country such as India and China it does not matter if 100 million people dies for any reason – that is a drop in the bucket compared with their massive population.

Just how little it took for the United States to forget the concept of human rights – it took only a handful of fanatic guys armed with box cutters and some clever plan – and the over-reaction of the United States – today they can wiretap peoples telephone conversations, spy on their emails, They made a regular practice of rendition; kidnapping people and shipping them off to a third world country for interrogation and they torture these people to get information from them.

The United States has 2.2 million people in prison today – that is a lot more people than the population of many countries.

And here we are talking about the United States a country that is a champion in the fight for human rights around the world – at least on paper. And the US has only 300 million people can you imagine what the US would be doing if the US had 1.3 billion people?


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The most honorable and ethical people you could ever meet.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 23, 2007
The first time I realized how devastating Alzheimer’s can be happened about 10 years ago when I went to a party of a friend of mine who was turning 90 years old.

This friend of mine I met him when both of us were working for John Templeton’s company in the early 1970’s – my friend had been a financial analyst for John Templeton for the last 25 years – that was before John Templeton moved to the Bahamas and his mutual fund empire was moved to Florida.

John Templeton’s company had been located in Englewood, NJ for a long time – and Mr. Templeton was the president, and Colonel Donald Liddell was the chairman of the board.

At that time I had just started going to college, but for some reason these old guys invited me to go to lunch with them almost on a daily basis – there were 5 or 6 of them and they were financial analysts or investment counselors – all of them had graduated from Princeton or Yale University and my friend had graduated with an engineering degree from Cornell University. These guys were a bunch of very smart fellows and all of them were millionaires. But for some reason that group did not mind that a 19-year-old kid tagged along for lunch with them almost on a daily basis.

But the person that I want to mention is Colonel Liddell (people called him colonel Liddell because he had been a colonel in the US army during World War II) – Colonel Liddell was a brilliant investment counselor and he did handle the investment account of many famous people at that time – Colonel Liddell also was in the board of directors of close to 50 different companies. He was one of the closest friends of Mr. John Templeton, and he used to go on a regular basis and spend his vacation with Mr. Templeton on his Bahamas mansion.

But what I remember the most about Colonel Liddell was his sense and practice of ethics and integrity, because today it is rare to find people in the investment world with that same high standard of ethics and integrity of people such as Colonel Liddell and also John Templeton.

Here is a lesson from Colonel Liddell to the new Wall Street generation: Colonel Liddell had a major investment in a bank here in New Jersey and he also was a member of the board of directors of that bank – and over the years he invested the money of many of the clients that he handled their investment account on the stock of that bank – and over the years his clients did very well with their investments.

But in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s that bank started having financial problems and the stock started declining accordingly. Here comes the ultimate lesson in ethics and integrity: Colonel Liddell wrote a memo and he sent it to all his accounts saying that the bank had financial problems and that Colonel Liddell was going to sell his financial position on that bank – but before he did that he wanted to give a chance for all the people who he had invested their money in that stock for them to get out of that stock before he sold his position.

By doing that Colonel Liddell lost a few extra million dollars of his own money, but he felt the obligation to let the other people sell their stock positions before he sold his.
Since then when hear anyone talking about honesty, ethics and integrity the first name that comes to mind is the name of Colonel Donald Liddell, because he did practice these virtues on his daily life and he became that symbol to me.

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The most honorable and ethical people you could ever meet - Part 2
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 23, 2007
Going back to that party 10 years ago for my friend from Templeton days when I saw Colonel Liddell at that party I got all excited in seeing him after 20 years, and I went to speak to him and I said: How are you Colonel Liddell do you remember me?

I assumed that he would remember me since over the years when I worked for Mr. Templeton I had had lunch with him and the other guys at least 200 times during that period.

Mr. Liddell looked at me and said: “my house has big rooms.” I said: I am sure your house has big rooms, since you live in a mansion, but don’t you remember me from the time when I worked at Templeton in the early 1970”s?

Mr. Liddell told me once more: “ my house has big rooms and I go to the park.”

At that point his wife saw me talking to Colonel Liddell and she told me that he had an advanced stage of Alzeimer’s. She also told me that they still had their mansion in Englewood, NJ, but they were staying for long periods at their apartment in Manhattan by the Central Park – and yes his nurse used to take him for a walk on Central Park.

I was shocked that day and could not believe how such a smart man - Mr. Liddell was a brilliant man - could end up like that.

When I walked to see Colonel Liddell I expected him to remember me from 20 years ago – but the reality was at that point he could not remember even his own name. About 2 years later I heard that Colonel Liddell had passed away.

Alzheimer’s is a devastating disease for family and friends – and not in a million years I ever expected to see Colonel Liddell in that state of mind.

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Ricardo: Just how little it took for the United States to forget the concept of human rights?
written by aes, October 23, 2007
60 percent of sentenced inmates incarcerated. in facilities it operates went to prison for drug-related offenses ...

Decriminalize drugs and you cut the incarcerated to 700,000. The problem are laws that have no victims.

"today they can wiretap peoples telephone conversations, spy on their emails, They made a regular practice of rendition; kidnapping people and shipping them off to a third world country for interrogation and they torture these people to get information from them."

So what do you have to hide. You probably have nothing to fear of water boarding. If you cannot trust the military and the police who can you trust? It is the paranoid that fails to include themselves in the us in the 'them and us'. They do not trust belonging, they have no faith in a just government. If you think your appraisal is of more use than that which is currently being employed then become part of the defense, stop criticising what you only presume to know. What is your security clearance? How can you form an opinion without information. You are on the outside looking in. There is no absolute to justice, it is more often a function of money. There are more lawyers to represent you in open court for all the crimes you committed or imagined then there are secret military dungeons where the facism of your imagination live. As you say what are a million Chinese more or less to a billion. . .what are a hundred water boarded suspected terrorists to two million prisoners afforded due process. In the grand scheme of things you have to break a few eggs to win a military objective.

Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 23, 2007
Yes I am aware that many of these companies have been privatized. It is OK if the privatized companies are in the hands of Brazilians such pension funds and so forth.


Sorry Ricardo, you are not FULLY aware of the privatized Companies. For example, when TELEBRAS was privatized the Spaniards, Italians and Americans split it bought them. Then Worldcom/MCI sold EMBRATEL to the Mexicans (Carlos Slim).The entire TELEBRAS was sold for $23 billions in 1998. Later that year, or in 1999, the state owned Nigerian Telecom (which came nowhere near the quality of the Telecom system we had, was auctioned off for $45 Billions and I think that A.T & T bought it.

CVRD was sold for about $3.6 Billions and there is an article about it in this magazine somewhere. I dont remember the figures for EMBRAER. All these were sold partly to pay off our external debt as well to plug the hole in our internal deficit. Oh, I think Mittal bought Acenor and as for as I know, he did not use the pension funds and it is not in the Brazilian hands either.

The government should study up to what percentage of a major company it’s acceptable to be on foreigner hands regarding certain strategic industries in Brazil including the shares of major banks and insurance companies, and so on….


The study may show that 100% should be in foreign hands, especially with the Spaniards and Portuguese!
Mr. Amaral
written by Ric, October 23, 2007
All my ancestors that I know of came from Scotland and England before the year 1750. They all settled north of the Mason-Dixon line. There is a town in Mass. that was started by one of my forefathers. A couple of books exist.

So even though I live in Brazil, I am an American. What bothers me and I am sure some others whose American roots are centuries old, is that people from other countries emigrate to the USA, benefit from the opportunities, and yet hold views similar to yours on a variety of subjects, which they then propagate.

Certainly it´s a free country and you have the right to express yourself in the American context.

But people like me also have the right to disapprove of what you think, write about and defend.

Year ago I got a lesson in Rio, parking near the consulate and arguing with a flanelinho about parking there. An older guy got me aside and said, Chefe, cuidado, aqui no Rio ninguem vale nada. In other words, back in your village you might be a big shot, even the mayor, but here you are just another jerk.

By now you have no doubt noticed that while we on this forum are interested in your heritage, and I mean that sincerely, the average American couldn´t care less. Being the offspring of Bonfácio and also having two quarters in your hand means you can make a local call from a pay phone in Miami.

In my opinion, your analyses of the USA in the area of politics, finance and foreign policy have been weighed, here, in the balances and found wanting.

I just have a hard time knowing how someone with your opportunities, grades as you described them, and contacts can hold so many views on so many subjects that are simply sophomoric. Write essay answers like that in a blue test book at Berkeley and the TA would have a field day marking it up and sending it back to you.
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 23, 2007
Some people were starving or sick and there was no help for them and many homeless people just died on the sidewalks. When these poor people died their bodies stayed on the sidewalk sometimes for an entire week until the wagon passed around to collect the dead people. Then they showed when the wagon came and there were a pile of bodies on top of it – the bodies that they had been collecting around town just on that day.

That kind showed me the reality of over-population. The value of human life diminishes as a country increases its over-population.

Human rights is a beautiful concept and civilized countries should adopt and practice it – but I am aware that when you have an over supply of people then you can’t use such a concept because it can’t be practiced in reality – for example in countries such as India and China.



Ricardo, I was expecting this too. You are absolutely right, these are the "Collateral damages",just like the ones caught in the cross fire in the shoot outs between the gangs in Rio. I read that almost 900 drug dealers were eliminated there during this year, though they dont give the number of the collateral damages. A movie called "Esquadrão de Elite" has been made and is very popular among the Brazilians. Once the favelas of Rio are cleared of these vermins, we could always implement the "Bullet Train". Of course, these trains can be used to transport the surviving faveladas to SP.

It must be as the Brits like to put it " A Cunning Scheme". Sir.Templeton and Late Col.Riddel would have approved of this scheme.Btw, by any chance, was Col.Riddel related to Mary Riddel?
I Love California
written by Ric, October 24, 2007
Where I was borned. They know how to handle a Natural Disaster. The fires, like the ones in San Diego. People lost everything.

Refugees who lost their homes are camping out in Qualcomm (football) Stadium. "Lavish buffets serving gourmet entrees". "Artichoke hearts..." "...massage therapists helped relieve the stress..."

"No complaints" to Gov. Arnold, as he visited for the second time, people taking pictures..... "Civility". "Most people seemed happy with the free food and drink..." . "Everyone is so friendly..."

You foreigners in the USA should fly out there, observe and take notes, and go back to your own countries and teach them how to do it The California Way.

Don´t say it´s impossible, the Californians can´t be that much smarter.

If California was an independent country its GDP would be sixth in the world. And what are there, 200 countries in the world?

The National Guard is just outside to make sure that civility continues.

Golden State. We, the Californians, are called Prune Pickers. Was once an Independent Nation. We, the gringos, started the rumor La Raza now passes on as theirs, that someday the state will revert to them and make Spanish the Official Language, because having them believe that serves our purposes. But I´ve said too much already.



Ric
written by João da Silva, October 24, 2007
All my ancestors that I know of came from Scotland and England before the year 1750. They all settled north of the Mason-Dixon line. There is a town in Mass. that was started by one of my forefathers. A couple of books exist.


I am impressed with your ancestory too, Ric. I must confess that I do not have a lineage similar to yours nor that of Ricardo Amaral nor Bo nor AES.

So even though I live in Brazil, I am an American


All the bloggers know that you are a "f**king American" living in Brasil (Dont mind my using expletives; I like to learn from youngsters like Bo). Never mind if you are an American living in Brasil which is a free country so far. Even Roberto Campos was criticized by the press for his clarity and focus on what had to be done.

Dont take me amiss;Come out and say what you think of this ethanol project, since we both know about the Ethanol run cars.Não esconde nada.
Ric/I Love California
written by João da Silva, October 24, 2007
Where I was borned. They know how to handle a Natural Disaster. The fires, like the ones in San Diego. People lost everything.


Ric, we were petrified about this fire,because we have very good friends in San Diego.Had to call and check how they were. They seem to be doing alright and keeping stiff upperlip. Thank God. Good friends are hard to come by.
Ethanol
written by Ric, October 24, 2007
Even back in the days when John Wayne Airport was called Santa Ana and one runway served as a drag strip on the weekends, fifty years ago, there were three fuel classes: pump gas, pure alcohol, and a nitromethane mixture.

So once again Southern California was first. Juaquin Arnett of the Bean Bandits racing club reportedly discovered nitromethane when he worked at a family nursery. Nitro was an ag product at first.

We have a VW flex car that now has 13000 km on it, and we have always used gasoline in it.But the last two fill ups I had alcohol put in. Because experience tells us that you will use it or lose it, let the computer sense 100% alky once in awhile lest the system become lax. Likewise you should get out at do a few max effort acceleration takeoffs once in awhile because if you don´t the computer will get used to just putting along and not give you full power when you need it. At least the US computers were like that three or four years ago.

Anyway, some Californians have at least 55 years of automotive experience using alcohol. And I have seen it used on the street in the early 60´s.
Ric
written by João da Silva, October 24, 2007
We have a VW flex car that now has 13000 km on it, and we have always used gasoline in it.But the last two fill ups I had alcohol put in.


Would you mind checking if the mileage the car gives when using different fuels? Same or less or more? I dont know ifg you remember that in the early 80´s, VW cars run on alcohol, used to give much less mileage. That was the reason why I opted for FORD Corcel II

Anyway, some Californians have at least 55 years of automotive experience using alcohol. And I have seen it used on the street in the early 60´s.



I did not know about this and thanks for the info. Did they use alcohol out of sugar cane or something else? Btw, you have been making some interesting posts about the fuels and thanks once again for them.
The next space war
written by angelinajolie, October 24, 2007
Ricardo,

Most ex-European diplomats said that the next missile launcher will be fired from outer space. The war is not over yet. Scientist are thinking of a new world technology that can be used to upgrade the standard of the killer machine. In fact, the project is in progress. Besides sending in that small robot to Mars and having the spy satellite, most scientist are thinking about the new enhancement of war technology. Some diplomats in fact confirms that the next war will be the most brutal. It is just like hell on earth.
CYBER WARS
written by angelinajolie, October 24, 2007
Analysis: A new USAF cyber-war doctrine

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by Shaun Waterman
Washington (UPI) Oct 17, 2007
Recent pronouncements by U.S. Air Force officials about their view of cyberspace as a war-fighting domain have attracted little attention. But the questions they raise for U.S. military policy and doctrine are profound.
"Cyber(space) is important to the nation," said Gen. Robert Elder, the military officer in charge of the U.S. Air Force's day-to-day cyberspace operations, acknowledging the dependence of U.S. commerce and banking on the Internet, "But to the Air Force, it's really important."He told a recent briefing organized by the Air Force Association that cyberspace was vital because it was the key to the U.S. military's fabled cross-domain dominance."When we talk about the speed range and flexibility of air power" -- to deliver satellite-guided strikes to effect the outcome of a battle on the ground for example -- "the thing that enables this for us is the fact of our cyber-dominance," the ability to move data and control signals through cyberspace -- which as the Air Force defines it is the entire electromagnetic spectrum.The Air Force is in the process of standing up a fully fledged Cyberspace Command, alongside its Space and Air Commands, but Elder, like other senior officials, denied that the move was a turf grab.He elaborated on the consequences of the Air Force's view of cyberspace as a war-fighting domain by analogizing it to the maritime and air domains, both of which were simultaneously the venues for commerce and daily life, and potential vectors for military action by or against the United States.
"We in the Air Force think the air is a war-fighting domain," he said, "but that doesn't mean we expect Delta or United (Airlines) to think it is."

Cyberspace Trojan horse
written by angelinajolie, October 24, 2007


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by Andrei Kislyakov
Moscow (UPI) Sep 28, 2007
Reports about missile interceptors and potential military confrontation in Iran have eclipsed the emergence of cyberspace as a new military theater.
The Internet is turning into a real battlefield. The U.S. Air Force is establishing a temporary special command responsible for combat action in the World Wide Web.

In the future, the Pentagon intends to turn it into a fully fledged Cyber Command of the U.S. Air Force. In other words, the world's strongest power's entire system of defense operations will also cover the Internet.

Frankly speaking, the Americans are doing the right thing. The Net, which has reached out to all continents, determines the key parameters for the functioning of modern society -- from salary payments to troop control. Not a single aircraft will take off or land, not a single plant will start working, and not a single military unit will begin moving without the matrix.

Control over the Net is ultra-important. It is believed cyberspace became a battlefield during the Persian Gulf War in 1991, when international forces ousted the Iraqi occupants from Kuwait. At that time the Americans set up the Desert Special Net, an information network that guaranteed the precise targeting of Patriot missiles to protect Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

The American local military network made it possible to create effective simulators for personnel training. Out of 36 crew members of the Apache fire support helicopters that crossed the Iraqi border on Jan. 17, 1991, only three had experience in firing air-to-surface Hellfire rockets. Others were trained on simulators.

Every achievement has a positive and a negative side, especially in the military sphere. It is clear that nowadays the Internet has become part and parcel of everyone's life. But there will always be people who would wish to virtually steal a real million from a bank, wreak havoc in NASA or neutralize a military unit, as it almost happened in 1991.

At that time, Dutch hackers managed to break the codes of several computers that were part of the U.S. Army logistic support information system. The fact that these guys preferred military information to tulips was not the worst thing. Military experts believe that because of this Dutch attack the American guys could have found toothbrushes in the zinc ammunition boxes.

Russian computer geniuses have mastered the Net some 20 years after their Western colleagues but have left them far behind. It is enough to mention the unprecedented electronic robbery of the City Bank in the mid-1990s. Later on, St. Petersburg software expert Vladimir Levin was charged with this crime, arrested and convicted as a result of a joint operation by Russian and Western security-related services. Nevertheless, he is the only compatriot in the so-called Hacker's Hall of Fame. So far.

But today the Americans are expecting the Trojan Horse, a destructive virus disguised as a safe computer program, and they don't think it will come from Russia.

According to the U.S. Department of Defense, the military-information strategy of the Chinese armed forces provides for the formation of special cyber units capable of attacking enemy computer systems. It was way back in 2000 that the Pentagon spread the information about China's capability for invading poorly protected American military and civilian networks. Now combat computer training is a compulsory discipline in the Chinese army's military education program.

In turn, the Chinese authorities maintain that their domestic official servers are victim to large-scale hacker attacks, which seriously prejudice national security. To sum up, a respite on the new front line is not expected for a long time to come.

(Andrei Kislyakov is a political commentator for RIA Novosti. This article is reprinted by permission of RIA Novosti. The opinions expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.)

Reply to AES
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 24, 2007
AES said: “So what do you have to hide….What is your security clearance? How can you form an opinion without information. You are on the outside looking in. There is no absolute to justice, it is more often a function of money.”

I don’t have anything to hide, and I don’t security clearance for anything. (you are showing your colors right now.)

I am among a rapidly declining number of people here in the United States who still believe in the American Constitution and Bill of Rights – that’s all the security clearance that I need to live in the United States.

You said: “what are a hundred water boarded suspected terrorists to two million prisoners afforded due process. In the grand scheme of things you have to break a few eggs to win a military objective.”

Like in Vietnam when some soldiers massacred an entire village full of women, children, and senior citizens. Or when the US dropped the second atomic bomb in Nagasaki just for the hell of it – and in the process killing 80,000 people mostly women, children and senior citizens.

My comments about over-population it is just an observation about what happen when a country has too many people such as India and China.

I just saw a program on the Charlie Rose Show a few nights ago and they had a bunch of experts talking about all the problems the they see in China.

I am not a critic of China, and if anything the Chinese government has been doing a magnificent job in the last 25 years. If you look back to the China of 25 years ago and compare it with the China of today – the transformation has been spectacular. China lifted more people out of poverty in the last 25 years than any other country on earth.
Today they have a middle class almost the size of the American middle class.

Only a fool would not acknowledge China’s gigantic economic transformation from a communist system to the new capitalist system that they have today.

People in the United States needs a lot of balls to criticize China’s progress. There is no such a thing as a miracle and no government or economic system can provide good jobs with good wages and benefits for 1.3 billion people almost overnight.

Let’s compare it with the model for capitalist societies – the United States. The US started with only a population of 90 million people 100 years ago – and the US has been the leading economy in the world at least for the last 60 years - the richest country in the world.

Since today the United States has only 300 million people – just a drop in the bucket of China’s population – one could expect that such a successful and wealthy country would not have over 50 million people living in complete poverty. And one would not expect to see places like Newark, NJ, Bronx, NY, Detroit, Cleveland and so on…Let’s not forget New Orleans.

I understand the roots of the crime problem in Brazil and I have written about that in the past – rapid population growth – Brazil started the year 1900 with 17 million people and 100 years later the population had exploded to 190 million people. Let me put in another way because it is easier to remember in 1948 the population of Brazil was 48 million people and 52 years later the population was 190 million people.

The population was growing much faster than the economy. As the Brazilian population multiplied like rabbits the economic growth did not keep pace with the increase in population. It never does it because the economy goes through economic cycles and it is affected by all kind of things from droughts, to hurricanes, to obsolesce of old industries,
I could make a very long list of positive and negative things that affect the economy year after year.

In the meantime the population is growing exponentially year after year.

The result: massive poverty for a large number of people in the population since there’s not enough good jobs to go around for everyone. And that is the reality.

That's why I am not surprised by the population problems that we have today in Brazil.


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Ricardo:
written by aes, October 24, 2007
I am among a rapidly declining number of people here in the United States who still believe in the American Constitution and Bill of Rights – that’s all the security clearance that I need to live in the United States.

Yes we all believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. But the expectant right to privacy using the internet or a cellular phone is naive. It is an ironious extrapolation, an opinion of 18th century thinking to 21st century technology. It is a time of war with very real threats. You do not believe that we are at war. You think this is something that is unimportant, irrelevant, wrong. What if it is not. What if you were privy to the information that goes into the decision making by the military. Do you think their actions are capricious? As to Nagasaki, I suggest you read the reasoning by the people that were making the decisions then. One bomb, it was reasoned, would be perceived by the Japenese as a possibility two a certitude. It is estimated that a quarter million American lives were saved as a consequence. It was a different time. You need to look at a thing in the context of the history from which it derives. And the invoking of the My Lai massacre is nothing more than a sophmoric red herring. War is not humane. It is not just. It has nothing to do with civil rights. You have an obligation as a citizen not to commit treason and to contribute to the countries war effort. Else you are not contributing but impeding. You do not have the freedom to impede war. The present involvement in Iraq is/was the continuation of the Gulf War. Hussein was in violation of the treaty he signed to end hostilities in that war. Read the ten year history since the conclusion of the Gulf War. Do you think you are privy to any information other than what you glean from the press or the media that is of any significance. How do you form an actionable opinion based upon the opinion of others? You are not privy to intelligence, the opinion you have is the opinion that is given to you. As it is said in intelligence, 'when we want your opinion we will give it to you.'
Reply to AES
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 24, 2007
You said: “But the expectant right to privacy using the internet or a cellular phone is naive.”

I know – here is an example.


“FBI system covertly searches e-mail”

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation is using a superfast system called Carnivore to covertly search e-mails for messages from criminal suspects.

Essentially a personal computer stuffed with specialized software, Carnivore represents a new twist in the federal government's fight to sustain its snooping powers in the Internet age. But in employing the system, which can scan millions of e-mails a second, the FBI has upset privacy advocates and some in the computer industry. Experts say the system opens a thicket of unresolved legal issues and privacy concerns.

The FBI developed the Internet wiretapping system at a special agency lab at Quantico, Va., and dubbed it Carnivore for its ability to get to "the meat" of what would otherwise be an enormous quantity of data. FBI technicians unveiled the system to a roomful of astonished industry specialists here two weeks ago in order to steer efforts to develop standardized ways of complying with federal wiretaps.

Word of the Carnivore system has disturbed many in the Internet industry because, when deployed, it must be hooked directly into Internet service providers' computer networks. That would give the government, at least theoretically, the ability to eavesdrop on all customers' digital communications, from e-mail to online banking and Web surfing.

The system also troubles some Internet service providers, who are loath to see outside software plugged into their systems. In many cases, the FBI keeps the secret Carnivore computer system in a locked cage on the provider's premises, with agents making daily visits to retrieve the data captured from the provider's network. But legal challenges to the use of Carnivore are few, and judges' rulings remain sealed because of the secretive nature of the investigations.

The huge majority of wiretaps continue to be the traditional telephone variety, though U.S. officials say the use of Internet eavesdropping is growing as everyone from drug dealers to potential terrorists begins to conduct business over the Web.

The FBI defends Carnivore as more precise than Internet wiretap methods used in the past. The bureau says the system allows investigators to tailor an intercept operation so they can pluck only the digital traffic of one person from among the stream of millions of other messages. An earlier version, aptly code-named Omnivore, could suck in as much as to six gigabytes of data every hour, but in a less discriminating fashion.

Still, critics contend that Carnivore is open to abuse.

Mark Rasch, a former federal computer-crimes prosecutor, said the nature of the surveillance by Carnivore raises important privacy questions, since it analyzes part of every snippet of data traffic that flows past, if only to determine whether to record it for police.

"It's the electronic equivalent of listening to everybody's phone calls to see if it's the phone call you should be monitoring," Rasch said. "You develop a tremendous amount of information."

Others say the technology dramatizes how far the nation's laws are lagging behind the technological revolution. "This is a clever way to use old telephone-era statutes to meet new challenges, but clearly there is too much latitude in the current law," said Stewart Baker, a lawyer specializing in telecommunications and Internet regulatory matters.

Robert Corn-Revere, of the Hogan & Hartson law firm here, represented an unidentified Internet service provider in one of the few legal fights against Carnivore. He said his client worried that the FBI would have access to all the e-mail traffic on its system, raising dire privacy and security concerns. A federal magistrate ruled against the company early this year, leaving it no option but to allow the FBI access to its system.

"Once the software is applied to the ISP, there's no check on the system," said Rep. Bob Barr (R., Ga.), who sits on a House judiciary subcommittee for constitutional affairs. "If there's one word I would use to describe this, it would be 'frightening."'

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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 24, 2007
When I said that: “but I am aware that when you have an over supply of people then you can’t use such a concept because it can’t be practiced in reality – for example in countries such as India and China.”

Above I was given only the most obvious examples; the truth is that also applies to most countries in Africa with a few exceptions.

You said: “Once the favelas of Rio are cleared of these vermins, we could always implement the "Bullet Train". Of course, these trains can be used to transport the surviving faveladas to SP.”

I think the other way around would be the result since Rio de Janeiro is a beautiful place with the beaches and everything else. In Sao Paulo they have to live under the bridges, and the accommodations are not as pretty like in Rio de Janeiro. Remember many the favelas around Rio have a beautiful view of that town – day and night.


Joao said: “Ricardo, I was expecting this too. You are absolutely right, these are the "Collateral damages"

I was also thinking about the problems that overpopulation brings to a government
Since most governments have just so much resources available to fund so many competing programs.

And many countries don’t have the money even to provide some minimum amount of healthcare for the poor population – and in many cases the tragedy is even bigger when there are millions of people starving to death.

I am being very pragmatic here with my comments and I am not trying to sugar coat anything and that make people such as Hegemon to go ballistic.

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Reply to Ric
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 24, 2007

You said: “I just have a hard time knowing how someone with your opportunities, grades as you described them, and contacts can hold so many views on so many subjects”

Because I read all the time newspapers, magazines, and a lot of books – I am always reading and have been doing it on a regular basis for the last 35 years.

Until the year 2000 I have been more interested in reading about economics, investments, business, world history, and philosophy. And I usually did not care much about politics.

Since George W. Bush (The Moron) became president of the United States and surrounded himself with a group of the most incompetent people that I can remember in any prior American administration – I started writing about politics only after 2001, but usually from an economics perspective – and most of the idiots who have been running the US government since 2001 – I can’t wait for all of them to leave town by January of 2009.

I am extremely anti-Bush/Cheney and their administration, but I am not anti-American, and I have not lost hope that Al Gore still jump into next year’s presidential race since in my opinion he is the best candidate available today to become the next president of the United States.

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Reply to AES
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 24, 2007
You also said: “What if you were privy to the information that goes into the decision making by the military. Do you think their actions are capricious? As to Nagasaki, I suggest you read the reasoning by the people that were making the decisions then.”

The real reason was that they had two different type of nuclear weapons to use and they wanted to test both of them to compare the results. It was just a minor test – no big deal.

Then I wonder why the United States dropped the two atomic bombs: one in Hiroshima, and the other in Nagasaki in 1945 in a matter of 3 days.

On 6th August 1945, the nuclear weapon Little Boy was dropped on Hiroshima, killing an estimated 80,000 civilians and heavily damaging the city.

On 9 August 1945, Nagasaki was the target of the world's second atomic bomb attack at 11:02 a. m. on 9 August 1945, the nuclear weapon Fat Boy was dropped in Nagasaki, when the north of the city was destroyed and an estimated 70,000 people killed outright with another 70,000 doomed to die of bomb-related causes in the decades that followed. The Nagasaki bomb, dropped by the Boeing B-29 Bockscar was much more explosive bomb (22 kilotons of TNT as opposed to 13) than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima three days earlier and was a plutonium bomb, whereas the Hiroshima bomb was a uranium bomb.


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You said: “You have an obligation as a citizen not to commit treason and to contribute to the countries war effort.”

That is what they said also in Serbia and today some of them are at the Hague as criminals of war.

You also said: “You do not have the freedom to impede war.”

Are you going insane?

Now you sound like someone who is going insane.


You said: “Hussein was in violation of the treaty he signed to end hostilities in that war. Read the ten year history since the conclusion of the Gulf War. Do you think you are privy to any information other than what you glean from the press or the media that is of any significance.

How do you form an actionable opinion based upon the opinion of others? You are not privy to intelligence, the opinion you have is the opinion that is given to you. As it is said in intelligence, 'when we want your opinion we will give it to you.'”


First of all I have a brain and I am able to think and come to my own conclusions. If anything if you read many of my published articles then you would know that long before they started the war in Iraq I said that it is impossible for Saddam Hussein to have the WMD that they were claiming that he had – I said at the time that the US mainstream media and the American people had stopped using their brain to think.

And on my article I did explain how it was impossible for Hussein to be doing what they were claiming because he did not have the cash flow to do it.

You did not need to be a rocket scientist to put the pieces together and figure that one out.

In another article published the day after Colin Powell’s presentation in the UN – I said on my article that today even a 15 year-old high school kid could have had a better presentation – His presentation to convince the rest of the countries that it was time to start a war against Iraq it was so silly that was borderline insulting to the intelligence of anyone who were try to make sense of that information in an intelligent manner.

By the way, I don’t need your pathetic and worthless intelligence – you can use it as toilet paper which is a better use for it anyway.

If the mainstream media were reading my articles or at least if they were doing their jobs – then we would not be involved on this massive chaos in MESS-O-POTAMIA.

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Reply to AES
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 24, 2007
By the way, here are a few tips and some reminders – sure it is a much more accurate information than anything you have that is passing for intelligence.

I am not sure that George W. Bush really remembers who Osama Bin Ladden is since he almost never mentions his name – but anyway just to refresh your mind in case you also forgot – Osama Bin Ladden is the person responsible for the attack in US soil in 9/11.

The US mainstream media might be in denial in the same way that the Bush administration has been in denial since they decided to invade Iraq. The United States with its supposed superior spying and military capabilities after 6 years they have not been able to find anywhere around the world a very tall man – of about 6’ 8’’ in height.

The lesson that the Bush administration is teaching to the rest of the world is: you can attack the United States and cause a lot of damage and you can get away with it because the Americans don’t have the guts of going after you if you take refuge in a place such as Pakistan.

I did not use the word hide – I used the word take refuge. Hide imply that the United States can’t find Osama Bin Ladden because he is hiding and no one knows where he is.

Take refuge implies that the entire world knows where he is (I guess even the Bush administration) and that the Pakistani government is protecting him.

Osama bin Ladden knows that the United States can’t do anything about him since Osama Bin Ladden is being protected by Pakistan – a country armed with an arsenal of nuclear weapons.

As long Osama Bin Ladden is staying in Pakistan he is untouchable by the United States military, and the United States is completely impotent in that regard - and the US it can’t do anything about it.

No wonder that the US rep**ation is completely discredited around the world.

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The Queen and King of Jordan
written by angelinajolie, October 24, 2007
Ricardo,

Just check your email. I send in some useful information regarding the late Saddam Hussein. As for AES, normally intelligence will make you think and belief as how and when they please. It is always the same game. It is truly covert operations and the intelligence will trying it's best to hide the truth. It is truly manipulative to the extend that the public will have no choice but to buy the lies that being spreaded just like viruses.
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written by bo, October 24, 2007
Reply to Bo
written by Ricardo Amaral, 2007-10-23 10:22:16
You said: “Come on now...nothing? That's certainly not accurate. I can think of at least 14 permanent military bases in a strategic part of the world. The U.S. hasn't been making decisions based on "today" for a long time. They make decisions based on 50 years and more from today.”


The world is too big and very complex only fools would think that they could dominate the world by force.

The US is pissing a ton of money away to fight the last war. That world is dying very fast and the meantime the rest of the world is investing in the future.

The reality is today the United States is not even in the position of keeping up with a new arms race with the Chinese and the Soviet Union since these countries have a ton of money today. On the other hand the United States has an army that is having all kinds of problems fighting even a small group of people in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The entire war machine of the United States is being destroyed in Iraq because of heat and sand storms – these weather events are destroying the helicopters, the tanks, the trucks, the airplanes and anything that comes in contact with the very high heat and the sand storms. By the way, sand and machinery don’t mix too well – never mind the high heat.

The next big war it will be fought from space anyway with missiles being shot at targets here on earth from satellites that would be moving around the earth and could hit any target that they want.

If the Chinese and Russians wanted to start a new arms race with the United States – then please tell me who is going to finance the US side of that race since the US is already $ 10 trillion dollars in debt and the US has a massive amount of baby boomers who will grab any type of money available in the US economy to finance their needs related to Social Security, Medicare, pensions, and so on…. And the senior citizens are a powerful group who vote and they can keep things going their way in the US.



Ohh Ricardo, I could go into a 10-15 paragraph response, but Ric hit the nail on the head. With someone with such an education as you have been so humble to describe, many of your answers, responses, and stances, are simply sophomoric.

Most of the time you sound as if you just graduated from USP and 2 years ago particpated in a anti-Bush demonstration wearing your "Amazona é Nossa" t-shirt.
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written by bo, October 24, 2007
and I have not lost hope that Al Gore still jump into next year’s presidential race since in my opinion he is the best candidate available today to become the next president of the United States.



"forgive them lord, they know not what they do..."
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written by bo, October 24, 2007
If the Chinese and Russians wanted to start a new arms race with the United States – then please tell me who is going to finance the US side of that race since the US is already $ 10 trillion dollars in debt and the US has a massive amount of baby boomers who will grab any type of money available in the US economy to finance their needs related to Social Security, Medicare, pensions, and so on…. And the senior citizens are a powerful group who vote and they can keep things going their way in the US.



And arms race? LOL. Buddy, have you seen a world map with all the worlds military bases that exist?

The U.S. only has more than 750 world-wide military bases. We've pretty much got the globe covered.It's now down to only "maintenance". We have enough nuclear warheads to destroy the planet several thousand times AND the means to deliver them. The race is over....it really never began. The U.S.S.R. was only a mirage. China better think about feeding, clothing, educating, and providing jobs for their 300 million starving people making less than 1 dollar a day before they get destroyed from within.
Listen to the Man
written by Ric, October 24, 2007
Who calls them like he sees them, John McCain. When he made his joke, using a Beach Boys tune, "Bomb-bomb-bomb Iran..."he wasn´t making that up on the spur of the moment for a laugh. He´s plugged in, to the Old Boy Network. Watch for it. Coming soon to a theatre near you. Although from Mr. Amaral´s own statements he gets a lot of his info from the TV. In that case, keep watching.

No matter who produces the best hackers, the USA still controls the web. And therefore has the advantage.

The are still analog people out their who use the regular mail, send stuff via UPS, and from all over the world, messengers with briefcases who make a trip to JFK or LAX or MIA with really important documents, every day of the year.

If one doesn´t like FexEx, don´t use it. If one doesn´t like the way the owners run the world wide web and e-mail and all that, one is free to use other methods to transmit data, make purchases, transfer money, and send letters.

From Guam to Aruba to Diego Garcia, gotcha covered. Unlike many of you, I have actually been up in a B1. You enter from the belly and there´s a small third seat in the c**kpit.

But that´s so 1980s. We´ve got 21 B2s. Hegemony never looked more promising. If you take a Dim View of it, the B2 must drive you nuts.
Ricardo: The real reason was that they had two different type of nuclear weapons to use and they wanted to test both of them to compare the results. It was just a minor test – no big deal. As a Pri
written by aes, October 24, 2007
From the Los Alamos National Laboratory:

"Groves had predicted it would take two bombs to force the Japanese to surrender. The first would stun the enemy, and the second would demonstrate the United States’ ability to produce more than one atomic bomb. His prediction proved accurate"

A committee formed by General Groves selected four cities based on the following criteria:
Targets had to possess sentimental value in the mind of the Japanese people.
Targets had to have some military significance.
Targets had to be largely intact, to demonstrate the awesome destructive power of an atomic bomb.
The target had to be large in size, suitable for attack by a weapon of an atomic bomb's magnitude.

http://www.lanl.gov/history/at...tory.shtml
Insensitively Opprobrious
written by Ric, October 24, 2007
Sem Dúvida Alguma,

Was the infelicitous us of the pejorative term, Fat Boy. Perhaps in today's perspective, this would be to many, the larger Gaffe Crassa. (The two f´s used to reflect the French derivation and not the initial British double f).
Ricardo: MESS-O-POTAMIA?
written by aes, October 24, 2007
Come on Ricardo. . .MESS-O-POTAMIA?

And as to Osama. . .could have nuked the area that would have accomplished your end result, but there are ramifications to all actions. Pakistan is a nuclear power teetering on a radical muslim overthrow of Musharif's government. Should Pakistan fall the radical movement comes into possesson of nuclear armament. All U.S. actions are predicated upon this. The assasination attempt of Benazir Bhutto is a manifestation of how precarious events in Pakistan are.

Your mockery verges on pseudo-intellection.

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Ricardo: You want the truth? "You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? "
written by aes, October 24, 2007
Ricardo: "I want the truth!"
AES: "You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.
We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!"
The Reader Wins
written by Ric, October 24, 2007
When the author keeps blogging and can´t Shut Up.

"A liberal Arts education enables one to know a good man when one sees him."

It´s unethical for a doctor to operate on a family member, but not for a mechanic to fix his own car or a columist to get involved in dicussion re: his column.

Might not be very smart, though, from the author´s perspective. Here in Brazil in the courts, a good lawyer will allow his client to give a deposition just once and if it can be avoided, not return to the stand. Because invariably if he talks again he will misspeak, contradict, or not remember correctly.

If a writer just writes and then drops out of sight, his thesis may have more chance of making a difference, from his point of view, than if he gives the reader an inside track on what he thinks about other issues. He risks the chance of being assigned to nut case category unless he has had experience in some field such as politics, law, or another profession in which one either learns to be circumspect in what one says publicly, or gets fired or sued.
AES
written by João da Silva, October 24, 2007
AES: "You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.
We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!"



Please refresh my fading and failing memory. Are you not quoting these from "Cain Mutiny"? smilies/angry.gif
Joao
written by aes, October 24, 2007
A Few Good Men
Bo
written by João da Silva, October 24, 2007
China better think about feeding, clothing, educating, and providing jobs for their 300 million starving people making less than 1 dollar a day before they get destroyed from within.


I would rather say "China IS JUST THINKING about feeding....................."

Henry Kissinger taught them to do so over 30 years ago!
Angelinajolie
written by João da Silva, October 24, 2007
I send in some useful information regarding the late Saddam Hussein.


Please post this info so that we can all read.
AES
written by João da Silva, October 24, 2007
A Few Good Men


Thanks and now I remember!
After the Empire – Part 1
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 24, 2007
After the Empire – Part 1

Instead of getting into a pissing contest with AES, Ric, and Bo about the Iraq War and the military power of the United States – which would be a waste of time for all of us.

Here is some information that can put the spotlight on the right perspective, and also could enlighten everyone – if this was a horse race my bet would be on Emmanuel Todd.

Before you read the information about Emmanuel Todd I just want to remind the readers that he wrote most of this information right before the US managed to start the war against Iraq in March of 2003. The actual situation has turned a lot worse for the United States since then than the picture that he describes today the American politicians have no idea how to get out of Iraq a war and that war is costing a fortune for the United States including the latest request for money – the US would have pissed away $ 800 billion dollars and that does not include a lot of other costs associated with the war.

The trade deficits have continued, the US dollar is sinking like the Titanic in world markets, the US financial system has caused a major international financial crisis related to the sub-prime scandal. Most of the US allies in the Iraq war are saying goodbye it’s your war. It does not matter how you look at if Mr. Todd were writing his book today he would have painted an even more-bleaker picture.

Anyway, here is what I wrote in August 4, 2004 after I finished reading his book.

I just finish reading "After the Empire - The Breakdown of the American Order" by Emmanuel Todd. This book was a best seller in Europe last year, but was published here in the US only at the end of February of 2004. This book gives an extraordinary explanation to what is happening around the world today. The book also mentioned what is happening in the Middle East and in Saudi Arabia. This book is a must read for anyone who really wants to understand what is going on between the United States and the rest of the world.

You might as me what is so special about this author when compared with all the other similar books that are available on this subject?

Emmanuel Todd has a special credential that nobody else has; in 1976 he wrote a book predicting and explaining in detail the coming collapse of the Soviet Empire. He was away ahead of his time, and he was the first person to spot the coming problems.

Once again, he does a superb job on his new book when he explain in detail all the interactions today between the countries around the world with the US, and the causes for the coming collapse of the American economic system.

After reading this book you will have a better understanding of the reasons behind the change of US government policies towards the entire Arab world, including its old friend Saudi Arabia.


Emmanuel Todd


Emmanuel Todd, a historian credited with predicting the downfall of the Soviet Union in the 1970’s now says that the US has been on its way out for the last decade. Mr. Todd on his newest book "After the Empire." predicts the fall of the United States as the sole superpower (Columbia University Press - February 2004.)

The power and influence of the United States is being overestimated, claims French historian and demographer Emmanuel Todd. "There will be no American Empire." "The world is too large and dynamic to be controlled by one power." According to Todd, whose 1976 book predicted the fall of the Soviet Union, there is no question: the decline of America the Superpower has already begun.

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After the Empire – Part 2
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 24, 2007
After the Empire – Part 2


Quoting Mr. Todd: "When I speak of the economy, then I mean the industrial core and the associated technological cutting edge, not the anemic New Economy. It is in the core industrial sphere that the US is falling dramatically behind. European investors lost billions in the US during the nineties, but the US economy lost an entire decade. As recently as 1990 the US was still exporting $35 billion more in advanced technology than it was importing. Now the balance of trade is negative even in this field. The US is far behind in mobile communications technology. The Finnish Nokia is four times the size of Motorola. More than half the communications satellites are being launched with European Ariane rockets. Airbus is about to surpass Boeing -- the most important transportation medium for personnel traffic in the modern global economy is about to be manufactured primarily in Europe. These are the things that are ultimately important. These are by far more vital and decisive factors than a war against Iraq.

The US leadership doesn't know anymore where to turn. They know that they are monetarily dependant on the rest of the world, and they are afraid of becoming inconsequential. There are no more Nazis and Communists. While a demographic, democratic, and politically stabilizing world recognizes that it is increasingly less dependant on the US, America is discovering that it is increasingly dependant on the rest of the world. That is the reason for the rush into military action and adventures. It is classic.

The only remaining superiority is military. This is classic for a crumbling system. The final glory is militarism. The fall of the Soviet Union took place in an identical context. Their economy was in decline, and their leadership grew fearful. Their military apparatus gained in size and stature and the Russians embarked on adventures to forget their economic shortcomings. The parallels in the US are obvious.

As a historian, the dollar represents a "mentality indicator" to me. It reflects the awareness of international trade and business leaders of the realities of the American economy. The weakness of the dollar is indicative of their assessment that the situation is much worse than is openly acknowledged. The fact is that troops destined for the war in Iraq, which has been represented as a simple mission, are still not totally prepared. After a year of back and forth, the diplomatic heavyweights of France and Germany are trying to prevent this war, and the balance of the allies are participating mostly verbally, not financially. There is an immense risk in engaging in a war on the opposite side of the globe while fettered by a $500 billion trade deficit, a weak dollar and supported only by friends who are unwilling to share the costs.

One of the working propositions of my book, After the Empire is that the concept of military control of the globe no longer makes any sense. In relation to the military, there will be a balance of power in the future. There is still a nuclear balance of power between the US and Russia. The notion that sections of the globe can be controlled through military might is passé, because it is unrealistic. You can destroy regimes and bomb their infrastructure, as the Americans have done in Afghanistan, but the populations -- including those in the developing world -- have become educated and literate enough to eliminate any possibility of re-colonization. The only power that ultimately counts today is economic power.

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written by Ric, October 24, 2007
Too many unproven assertions to be taken at face value.
Love This
written by Ric, October 24, 2007
"As a historian, the dollar indicates a 'mentality indicator' to me."

Now that the dollar is doomed as a fiat currency, it´s nice to know that is still has its day job as an historian.
The United States put all its eggs in one basket.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 24, 2007
As I have been suggesting with many of my articles that the future of Brazil it has more to do with China than the United States here is an example that contrast what we know is happening in China with what is the main US goals.

As the rest of the world including Brazil, China, India, Russia, and many others invest in the future the United States put all its (borrowed) eggs in one basket.


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U.S. CBO estimates $2.4 trillion long-term war costs
Reuters - Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:29pm EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion by 2017 when counting the huge interest costs because combat is being financed with borrowed money, according to a study released on Wednesday.

With President George W. Bush indicating a large contingent of U.S. troops likely will be engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan for many years to come, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimated the total tab for the wars from 2001 through 2017.

CBO estimated that interest costs alone from 2001-2017 could total more than $700 billion.

So far, Congress has given Bush $604 billion for the two wars, with about $412 billion spent in Iraq, according to CBO, which is Congress' in-house budget analyst. In Iraq alone, the United States is spending about $11 billion a month, with costs escalating.

Bush is seeking another $196 billion for combat in Iraq and Afghanistan through September 30 and Congress is expected to debate that request over the next few months.

CBO estimated that between 2008 and 2017, the wars could cost slightly more than $1 trillion, assuming overall troop strength is cut to 75,000 by 2013.

Currently, there are about 170,000 U.S. troops in Iraq and another 26,000 in Afghanistan.

Finance charges for the money already spent on the war will total $415 billion from 2001 to 2017, according to CBO. For the next decade, "interest outlays would increase by a total of $290 billion over that 10-year period," CBO told the House Budget Committee, which is reviewing long-term war costs.

CBO estimated that of the $2.4 trillion long-term price tag for the war, about $1.9 trillion of that would be spent on Iraq.

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written by bo, October 24, 2007
the US would have pissed away $ 800 billion dollars and that does not include a lot of other costs associated with the war.



Once again, 14 permanent military bases that you will never see closed in your lifetime.

Just ask the Germans.
Death by Taxes
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 24, 2007
The sun never goes down on the British Empire – the British controlled 25 percent of the world less than 100 years ago.

Death by taxes - Ask the Brits how it works…..

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Brazil / China and the future – Part 1
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 24, 2007
I wrote an article published on June 2, 2005 - “While China Rises the US Falls in Brazil and Latin America” – In that article I mentioned a few trends that have been under way for a number of years.

In the bottom listed the location of the article if you decide to read the entire article - since that article was published in June 2005 at least 11,000 people did read that article online.

Here I am quoting from that article as follows:

“US Influence Declining in South America

The Arab-South America Summit offered to the Arabs commercial alternatives not available before, which will reduce the European and American hegemony in the Arab world.

The Arab Summit laid the foundations to further reduce the gap between the Arab world and South America, an area of the world that is becoming one of the major industrial and commercial trading blocs in the world.

On January 26, 2005 The Financial Times of London had an interesting editorial - "How America became the world's dispensable nation."

That Financial Times article started by saying: "In a second inaugural address tinged with evangelical zeal, George W. Bush declared: "Today, America speaks anew to the peoples of the world." The peoples of the world, however, do not seem to be listening. A new world order is indeed emerging - but its architecture is being drafted in Asia and Europe, at meetings to which Americans have not been invited.

....The US, it turns out, is a dispensable nation. Europe, China, Russia, Latin America and other regions and nations are quietly taking measures whose effect, if not sole purpose, will be to cut America down to size.

Ironically, the US, having won the cold war, is adopting the strategy that led the Soviet Union to lose it."

To further illustrate the United States loss of clout and influence in South America, we just have to look at the results of the latest election of the head of the OAS.

One of US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's goals in her trip to Brazil in late April 2005 was to convince President Lula to change his mind and have Brazil vote for the US candidate that would head the Organization of American States (OAS) for the next 5 years.

One week later, the candidate that Brazil was supporting all along, in opposition to the United States, Mr. Insulza from Chile was the winner. It was the first time in the organizations 60-year history that the candidate supported by Washington did not win.

This particular election sends a clear signal to the world of how fast the United States is losing its influence in South America. At the same time that the US is losing its influence,
China is quickly replacing the United States influence in the Area.

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Brazil / China and the future – Part 2
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 24, 2007
China's Rising Influence

In a very short period of time China is becoming the most important business partner of Brazil. China has been quickly replacing the United States' influence in Brazil - and that is also happening in other South American countries

On May 17, 2005 - The Financial Times of London had another article trying to explain why US influence was declining in South America: "Latin lessons the US faces a loss of leadership."

The article said: "Why have relations turned so sour? Economics is part of the reason. During the late 1980s and 1990s Latin America embraced free market policies and moved enthusiastically into the US orbit. But when reform often failed to produce growth that began to change, with many Latin Americans blaming the US for their problems.

"The failure of the Bush administration to help Argentina when it ran into a disastrous debt crisis at the end of 2001 was particularly damaging to its image in the region. "Whether or not Washington or Wall Street really bear the blame, many Latin Americans believe the US led them down the primrose path but then were simply not interested when times got tough," says Julia Sweig, a Latin America specialist at the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations.

"After a number of South American countries embraced democracy, and many of the economic policies prescribed by Washington including all kinds of privatizations, the result of these changes did not benefit the South American population as expected.

"And South America's less than impressive economic performance over the past 15 years has led to a fresh bout of soul-searching about what kind of economic model is right for the region.

"... In particular, the role of the state - which policymakers were trying to cut back for most of the 1990s - is undergoing a rethink, in part reflecting South America's growing economic relationship with parts of Asia that have achieved much higher rates of growth."

There is another factor that contributed to the current state of affairs in South America. After the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, the United States lost its interest regarding South America.

Some South American countries including Brazil, instead of whining or crying over spilled milk, did something about it, as a capitalist country they started searching around the world for new partners to establish new ties to replace their lost business.

The US decline of influence with Brazil did not happen overnight or because of political reasons; it was as a result of economic reasons as Brazil found new partners.

The Brazilian need to find new markets for its products coincided with the economic explosion that has been happening in the Chinese economy in the last few years. Today, China has an insatiable need for commodities of all kinds to feed its amazing production machine.”


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If you want to read the entire article then go to:

“While China Rises the US Falls in Brazil and Latin America”
Published on June 2, 2005

http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9296/76/


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While China Rises the US Falls in Brazil and Latin America
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 24, 2007
If you want to read the entire article then go to:

“While China Rises the US Falls in Brazil and Latin America”
Published on June 2, 2005

http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9296/76/


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Recardo: Deficiency motivation is the bane of the terminally adolescent. We do not act t'll the house is on fire.
written by aes, October 24, 2007
As long as we are quoting Todd:

Communism, in its madness, supposed that society was everything and that the individual was nothing, an ideological basis that caused its own ruin. Today, the United States assures us, with a blind faith as intense as Stalin's, that the individual is everything, that the market is enough and that the state is hateful. The intensity of the ideological fixation is altogether comparable to the Communist delirium. This individualist and inequalitarian posture disorganizes American capacity for action. The real mystery to me is situated there: how can a society renounce common sense and pragmatism to such an extent and enter into such a process of ideological self-destruction? It's a historical aporia to which I have no answer and the problem with which cannot be abstracted from the present administration's policies alone. It's all of American society that seems to be launched into a scorpion policy, a sick system that ends up injecting itself with its own venom. Such behavior is not rational, but it does not all the same contradict the logic of history. The post-war generations have lost acquaintance with the tragic and with the spectacle of self-destroying systems. But the empirical reality of human history is that it is not rational.



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Hell no we wont go. . .
written by aes, October 24, 2007
Hell no we wont go and they didnt. They abandoned service to country as anathema to freedom. So without restraint, with out regard to consequence, without equilibrium the pursuit of the self ended in a termanal obeisity of the body and of the economy. Without restraint, the child will eat what it wants till it becomes sick, morbid obeisity. . .psychologically dysfunctional. Like the Aesopian grasshopper the consequence of its carpe diem is now the wolf at the door. But life is change. Necessity being the mother of invention the pendulum begins its movement to the right. With freedom comes the requisite responsibility of moderation, of balance of sacrifice to its maintenance . We have the juvenile tendency to invidious procrastination. "I will do what I want, when I want and how I want," screams the terminal adolescent. . .the Declaration of Independence allows the individual the inalienable right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. . .even if it kills him. We are the cause of ourselves. The mechanism of freedom is the responsibility for that freedom.
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 24, 2007
I think the other way around would be the result since Rio de Janeiro is a beautiful place with the beaches and everything else. In Sao Paulo they have to live under the bridges, and the accommodations are not as pretty like in Rio de Janeiro. Remember many the favelas around Rio have a beautiful view of that town – day and night.


Considering the plight of these folks living under the bridges, your plan to run Bullet Trains is fully approved on one condition, though. The Chinese have to build the track all the way to Aracaju, as the final destination. With this plan, we may be able to reduce the unemployment rate of almost 20 % in the city of SP.
THE RED DRAGON DOES NOTHING FOR FREE
written by forrest allen brown, October 25, 2007
and at what risk to brasil when
china starts its importation of millions of chinese to over see
there new country .

then brasil will look to the docktrin of marx or min konf
for help

one too remember they kill all the teachers and free thinkers ( ho thats right brasil has no teachers or free thinkers ]

one other thing when nthe take over was started in china they killed all drunks , drug dealers , whores , and thoes they found unfit to work 12 hours a day

on the bright side the chinese feed there people better than the brasilian food box
Todd, the French Communist
written by Ric, October 25, 2007
Todd is to futurism what Bo Belinski is to baseball.
Senor João da Silva
written by angelinajolie, October 25, 2007
May I know your email address please.

I just noticed that, in Jordan, it is truly sensitive to talk about the head of government openly. My Director somehow is a great fan of Queen Rania Al- Yassin............Unlike Senor Ricky Martin, he speaks on behalf of Queen Noor of Jordan and the rest of the Arabs.......WOW!!! Jordan got so many QUEENS......I wonder what happens to Prince Hassan....??????????

Those who are truly brave and courages will be locked up in jail if criticizing the Queen and King. Actually Senor Ricardo knows what it is all about. When one of my relatives got married to an ex-Iraqis diplomat son, than I begining to realise that it is A SMALL WORLD AFTER ALL........too small as a matter of fact......... smilies/cool.gif
Forrest Allen Brown
written by angelinajolie, October 25, 2007
How to tame a WILD DRAGON as (Hu Jin Tao) when a cute mountain bear as (Vladimir Putin) approaches with bunch of sweet flowers as offering for the sleeping WILD DRAGON?????? Please answer this question immediately...... I am waiting.......
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 25, 2007
Joao said: “Considering the plight of these folks living under the bridges, your plan to run Bullet Trains is fully approved on one condition, though. The Chinese have to build the track all the way to Aracaju, as the final destination. With this plan, we may be able to reduce the unemployment rate of almost 20 % in the city of SP.”

If they build a line all the way to Aracaju as one of the final destinations – Sao Paulo might lose 50 percent of its population if many people decide to return to where they came from.

The UAE is investing a lot of money in the North of Brazil to develop tourism in that area of the country. Maybe that will help create many new jobs in the North of Brazil.

When you mentioned that the Chinese have to build the track all the way to Aracaju – that reminds me that in a lot of American cowboy movies mainly in the Pacific coast area, they always showed the Chinese building the railroad tracks or as cooks – talking about stereotyping people.

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Brazil
written by jayteresopolis, October 25, 2007
As a frequent Chinese visitor to Brazil, I think many social and economical problems in Brazil are structural.
Unless people of Brazil have the political will to declare a king of some sort, or a dictator with unlimited power,
things will not change for a long time. The problems are identified, the solutions are there, but who has
the power to implement them? Universal Human Rights and Democracy are just another game for the have's to keep the have-not's behind.
China
written by jayteresopolis, October 25, 2007
As a Chinese reader, I am amazed by how people hold their misconceptions about China dear. Come on guys, if you had never been to China, or had no in-depth personal experience with things related to China, you should keep your opinion to yourself until you have an opportunity to do so. China is a large country with diverse population just like the U.S., educated or red-necks, peaceful or militant, artists and scientists. You can't judge the whole country based on few people you have met from that country. To those who called China a communist country, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Hello Jayteresopolis
written by angelinajolie, October 25, 2007
You may have your point there. I just have one question here for you. Is it true that the government of China will control all of it's business entity?

I have a Chinese friend who told me that, when she was trying to buy a carpet a few years ago with a Chinese merchant dealer in China she was being cheated. Instead of getting a lower price the dealer simply ordered her to pay more.
João da Silva
written by angelinajolie, October 25, 2007
You did mention about Mittal.

I heard about the feud between Mr. Lula and Mittal. For your info, Mittal manage to become rich when he was under the leadership of the ex-Indonesian President, Bapak Suharto. I used to have few Indonesian friends who mentioned about Bapak Suharto connection with few foreign businessmen. Trust me Senor you simply can't compare Mittal with the late Brazilian diplomat Senor Sergio. Mittal simply put himself at the same level as the President and he manage to become one of the most influential man in Indonesia. He is of Indian origin. Now in England he has his very own castle.

My wish is to follow the footstep of the late Senor Sergio. Most Malay diplomats SALUTE BAPAK SERGIO, for his effort to keep South East Asia in the state of peace and tranquility. I am truly feel the lost because when I was still studying at Stamford College Bapak Sergio is the man who manage to put East Timor on the world map as a free nation before John Howard manage to sneak his way up for the oil refinery process project.

On the other hand I am still thinking, what on earth is that Mittal doing in Indonesia while I was still studying in Stamford College...............Howcome he is so rich today??????????
Reply to Forrest Allen Brown
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 25, 2007
You said: “and at what risk to Brazil when China starts its importation of millions of Chinese to over see there new country.”


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They have not done that to the United States and I am suggesting that China invest in Brazil just a drop in the bucket of all the money they are pissing away with the US.

Remember the United States has already mortgaged its soul to China and without the Chinese money to keep the US economy afloat – the US probably would sink like the Titanic.

Right now the United States imports about $ 2 trillion dollars per year of kinds of stuff from around the world and a big chunk of that is coming from China.

Let’s see what would happen if the Chinese stop sending all these goods here to the US.
Wall Mart for starters would lose 90 percent of the goods on its shelves. And many other retailers also would end up with bare shelves like in the old Soviet Union.

Today the US is better known for producing software and Hollywood movies try to wear one of those and see what happen.

Oh my god the US army would have to fight its wars barefoot since all the American soldiers Army boots comes from China.

Never mind what would happen if the Chinese decides to stop lending money to the US government – right now they are lending at a rate of over $300 billion dollars per year – that would have a substantial impact in the interest rate level inside the United States – meaning that interest rates in the US would go up away up.

If you think the sub-prime problem it is bad right now, with interest rates going up probably most of the adjustable mortgages in the United States which is a very large number of mortgages that would be a major burden in the entire American economy with millions of people not being able to pay its monthly mortgage.

The wealth effect that helped the consumers to keep spending year after year it is now working in reverse as people start feeling poorer because of declining price of real estate in the US. The US economy depends on 70 percent of its economic activity on consumer spending.

The United States can have at the same time stagflation (a period of out-of-control price inflation combined with slow-to-no output growth, rising unemployment, and eventually recession) and a collapsing US dollar (which in turn would create even more inflation since the US has to import almost everything that we see inside our department stores).
There is only one way to describe such a crisis – the perfect storm.



Now going back to your question: My entire plan for the future about Brazil borrowing a few bucks from China it becomes just like nickels and dimes when compared to what already has happened to the United States – basically the Chinese already have the United States by the balls.

In another 3 years – by 2010 – the United States will achieve the new status of permanent serfs to their new masters in China since the United States will be in debt to that country to the tune of US$ 2 trillion dollars at that point and probably more.

Americans will get used to the new system of serfdom – last year War