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2006 - July 2006
Written by John Fitzpatrick   
Thursday, 06 July 2006 10:36

Former São Paulo, Brazil, governor Geraldo AlckminThe line-up for the presidential election is now complete and one can only feel sorry for the Brazilian elector who is obliged to vote by law since most of the candidates are unimpressive, to put it mildly. There are only two candidates with a real chance of winning - President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva of the PT and Geraldo Alckmin of the PSDB.

Neither has anything new to offer so we face four more years of Lula, with his "charisma," malapropisms with the Portuguese language and football analogies, or the dullness of Geraldo Alckmin, Brazil's equivalent to the UK's John Major.

The best we can look forward to is another four years of gradual economic and social progress in the face of bureaucracy, corruption, violence and incompetence. The worst prospect would be if a re-elected Lula were to abandon the economic policies which have brought some progress and adopt more populist measures.

Although Brazil has been a functioning democracy for over 20 years, since the end of military rule, this election shows that the system still has a long way to go before it can match far more mature democracies. Voters are certainly being poorly served.

First of all, while the center and left are well represented there are no conservative  candidates with programs based on lower taxation and less government interference, as you would find in the US or western Europe.

There are around 30 official registered political parties in Brazil yet only eight candidates are standing and five of these are from fringe parties. The largest party, the PMDB, is not even fielding a candidate.

By deciding to stand back, the PMDB is free under electoral law to make local alliances with any other party it chooses. At the same time, it is basically disenfranchising its members and supporters who will have to vote for a president who is not a member of the PMDB. Neither is the Green Party fielding a candidate, a pity in a country which houses the world's largest rain forest. 

Since no party can ever gain a majority in Congress, alliances are the norm. The presidential election is no different and the two main candidates have formed alliances with parties which should be their ideological foes - that is if ideology meant anything, which it does not in Brazilian politics.

The need for a regional balance means southern-based candidates like Lula and Alckmin need a running mate from populous and politically important regions like the Northeast or Minas Gerais state.

Importance of Running Mates

Lula's running mate will be his current vice president, José Alencar, who is a member of the PRB, a party formed just over a year ago following a split within his previous PL party. This "party" is one of several in Brazil which has links to Protestant evangelical groups, which are highly organized and aggressive recruiters of new converts from the poorer classes who are disillusioned with the Roman Catholic church.

These converts, even the poorest, usually pay a tithe to the evangelical churches. Some of these groups are extremely wealthy and run media and publishing groups. At the same time, Alencar is a millionaire industrialist from Minas Gerais who owns a big textiles business.

One would expect someone like Lula, with his background as a trade union leader who opposed the military, to be against this kind of party but this is not the case. Although Lula has spent most of his life in the São Paulo area, he was born in the Northeast and is still regarded as a "nordestino" by the people from that region.

Alckmin is a social democrat yet his running mate, José Jorge, comes from the PFL party. The PFL is supposed to be the most conservative party in economic terms but it has no policies worth talking about. Like the PMDB, it represents the interests of factions and personalities and contains a number of unsavory characters.

The PSDB and PFL have been political bedmates for over 10 years despite the ideological differences which should exist between them. Fernando Henrique Cardoso, who was president from 1995 until 2002, had a member of the PFL, Marco Maciel, as his vice-president. Jorge comes from the Northeastern state of Pernambuco, as did Maciel.

Of the other six candidates, only two are worth mentioning - Senators Heloísa Helena and Cristovam Buarque. Both are ex-members of the PT who are now standing for other parties.

Helena was one of a group of PT members expelled from the party for voting against government policies in Congress. They later formed a new party called PSOL. She represents the old-style left and advocates policies which are idealistic and impractical and have failed wherever they have been tried.

Having said that, she has gained great publicity over the last year as a fierce critic of the PT. She was a vocal member of a congressional committee investigating the "bribes for votes" scandal which destroyed the PT's image as an ethical party. Even Helena's political critics in the media give her credit for at least standing up for what she believes in.

Style over Substance - How Lula Governs Brazil

Buarque is a more interesting character. He is standing for the PDT, a party which he joined only about a year ago after leaving the PT. Buarque had been Lula's education minister and was fired publicly in a rather crude way in 2004 during a visit to Portugal.

Lula said at the time that he wanted a more "political" and less "academic" minister. This emphasis on style rather than substance sums up Lula's approach to running Brazil. Buarque did have a political background and was governor of the Federal District.

However, politicians like Buarque and Helena, who would be highly regarded in other countries, are simply not suited to the rough and tumble of Brazilian politics where grabbing power and holding on to it at almost any cost is the style.

Lula is the odds-on favorite to win at the moment. Opinion polls show that Alckmin is narrowing the enormous gap between them but, unless something disastrous happens to throw Lula off course, it is hard to see Alckmin defeating him.

While Lula can point to a number of improvements, such as a big increase in the minimum wage, falling unemployment and interest rates, and inflation held firmly under control, Alckmin has nothing new to offer.

Since Lula has basically followed the economic policies of Cardoso, although he would deny it, Alckmin cannot seriously challenge them. He has also failed to capitalize on the "votes for bribes" affair.

This episode showed that the PT was as corrupt and devious as any of the other parties which have been milking Brazil throughout its history yet the PSDB never took advantage of it.

In fact, the PSDB may end up ruing the day it chose Alckmin as its candidate rather than his better known and tougher rival, José Serra, the former mayor of São Paulo.

John Fitzpatrick is a Scottish writer and consultant with long experience of Brazil. He is based in São Paulo and runs his own company Celtic Comunicações. This article originally appeared on his site www.brazilpoliticalcomment.com.br. He can be contacted at jf@celt.com.br.

© John Fitzpatrick 2006



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Excellent article....
written by Guest, July 06, 2006
...on the Brazilian reality !

Well said and well explained !

Reality is terribly shameful
Once again
written by Guest, July 06, 2006
Another gloomy...but acurate snapshot of the Brasilian politcal landscape from the dour Scott Fitzpatrick. Hey John, one day write a piece about why you stay in Brazil, you make it sound like you should drink the Kool Aide everyday! If Baurque is the same person who often posts on this site and I was Brazilian, I would vote for him. A clone in the manner of Chavez or Castro, Brazil could use someone...right or left who could shake things up. God, another 4 years of Lula, Brazilians really are morons in the voting booth. Can't say much however, we were stupid enough to elect Bush twice thank to the ignorant Red-Staters.
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written by Guest, July 07, 2006
"Hey John, one day write a piece about why you stay in Brazil"

He is waiting for "conservative candidates with programs based on lower taxation and less government interference, as you would find in the US or western Europe" so that he can get richer. And the "f**k the rest" will STILL be "f**k the rest".

What a moron. "Interesting" see a "brazilian" site with such "ideals".
The Ignorant is YOU!!!
written by Guest, July 07, 2006
Thank God for Americans have the wisdom of electing a great leader like George Bush. The right man for the right time.

Thomas Sowell, in an excellent article entitled 'Explosive Facts', points out:

"President Bush, like Ronald Reagan before him and innumerable others who are out of favor among liberals, has repeatedly been depicted as such a mental lightweight that he is not in the same league with brilliant guys like Al Gore and John Kerry.

The fact is that George W. Bush and John Kerry both went to Yale, where Bush had a higher grade-point average. Bush also scored higher than Kerry on intelligence tests that both took in the military. Gore went to Harvard, where he finished in the bottom fifth of his class two years in a row.

Grades and test scores are not everything. But they are something -- and those who are convinced that their guys are way smarter have no hard facts at all to back up this widely and fervently believed notion.

The cold fact is that anyone who spouts the liberal line is likely to be depicted as sophisticated, if not brilliant, and anyone who opposes it is likely to be considered dull, if not stupid, in the liberal media.

"Racism" is the trump card in the indictment of Republicans. But the cold fact is that the whole Jim Crow era in the South was dominated by Democrats. A higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats voted for civil rights legislation.

Bill Clinton's cabinet consisted overwhelmingly of white males while Bush's cabinet has been the most ethnically diverse in history.
But who cares about facts any more?"
The Ignorant is YOU!
written by Guest, July 07, 2006

Thank God for the Americans have elected George Bush as their President. He is the right man to the right time.

As to the lies about him told by the left, Thomas Sowell has this to say:

President Bush, like Ronald Reagan before him and innumerable others who are out of favor among liberals, has repeatedly been depicted as such a mental lightweight that he is not in the same league with brilliant guys like Al Gore and John Kerry.

The fact is that George W. Bush and John Kerry both went to Yale, where Bush had a higher grade-point average. Bush also scored higher than Kerry on intelligence tests that both took in the military. Gore went to Harvard, where he finished in the bottom fifth of his class two years in a row.

Grades and test scores are not everything. But they are something -- and those who are convinced that their guys are way smarter have no hard facts at all to back up this widely and fervently believed notion.

The cold fact is that anyone who spouts the liberal line is likely to be depicted as sophisticated, if not brilliant, and anyone who opposes it is likely to be considered dull, if not stupid, in the liberal media.

The grand political fallacy of the age is that the Republicans are the party of wealth, while the Democrats are the party of compassion for the little guy. This is something that has been assumed and repeated so often that it has become a "well-known fact" without any hard evidence being asked for or given.

"Racism" is the trump card in the indictment of Republicans. But the cold fact is that the whole Jim Crow era in the South was dominated by Democrats. A higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats voted for civil rights legislation.

Bill Clinton's cabinet consisted overwhelmingly of white males while Bush's cabinet has been the most ethnically diverse in history.
The truth
written by Guest, July 07, 2006
Thank God for the Americans have elected George Bush as their President. He is the right man to the right time.

As to the lies about him told by the left, Thomas Sowell has this to say:

President Bush, like Ronald Reagan before him and innumerable others who are out of favor among liberals, has repeatedly been depicted as such a mental lightweight that he is not in the same league with brilliant guys like Al Gore and John Kerry.

The fact is that George W. Bush and John Kerry both went to Yale, where Bush had a higher grade-point average. Bush also scored higher than Kerry on intelligence tests that both took in the military. Gore went to Harvard, where he finished in the bottom fifth of his class two years in a row.

Grades and test scores are not everything. But they are something -- and those who are convinced that their guys are way smarter have no hard facts at all to back up this widely and fervently believed notion.

The cold fact is that anyone who spouts the liberal line is likely to be depicted as sophisticated, if not brilliant, and anyone who opposes it is likely to be considered dull, if not stupid, in the liberal media.

The grand political fallacy of the age is that the Republicans are the party of wealth, while the Democrats are the party of compassion for the little guy. This is something that has been assumed and repeated so often that it has become a "well-known fact" without any hard evidence being asked for or given.

"Racism" is the trump card in the indictment of Republicans. But the cold fact is that the whole Jim Crow era in the South was dominated by Democrats. A higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats voted for civil rights legislation.

Bill Clinton's cabinet consisted overwhelmingly of white males while Bush's cabinet has been the most ethnically diverse in history.
Rudeness is the weak man’s imitation of
written by Guest, July 07, 2006
"stupid enough to elect Bush twice thank to the ignorant Red-Staters."

Ah...more intellectual name calling, makes one feel good about his fellow humans.

From an ignorant red Stater who did not vote for Bush.
The ignorant is the ALL OF US!!!
written by Guest, July 07, 2006
"President Bush, like Ronald Reagan before him "

For you to compare a true conservative like Regan to Bush tells us everything we need to know about your politics. Rebubs cab do no wrong. As a “real” conservative who doesn’t put his politics, his church, or his company ahead of the good of the country, I must say I’m deeply disappointed in most of what I read on here. I bow to all who believe the libs or the cons have the one and only true agenda. It is a sad day indeed. I can tout any statistic from any time in history and make everything smell like roses or with a different set of stats make everything smell like dog.... Neither one of which would be a true fact.

“We only see what we look at. To look is an act of choice.”
RE: THE RUDE WEAK MAN IMITATING A LEFTIS
written by Guest, July 07, 2006
YES YOU ARE A IGNORANT RED!!!! IS THATS HIP IN YOUR SMALL CIRCLE ....HERE COMES "THE USEFUL IDIOTS"...YOUR INSIGNIFICANCE AND PATHETICALLY SMALL NUMBERS ARE HILARIOUS!!!.......WANT TO BE COOL GET AN IDENTITY.......TRY THERAPY!!!!!!!!...DISFUNCTIONAL ONE!!!!!!!...YOUR IMPOTENT!!!
Good article
written by Guest, July 07, 2006
Nice overview. However, I disagree with the remark about Buarque and Helena being highly regarded in other countries. As the article itself points out, they have no useful policies to offer. If Geraldo Alckmin is John Major, helena is Arthur Scargill.

Alckmin is dull but level-headed, and still has plenty of ammunition to throw at the PT. Moreover, he does have something to offer: the "neo-liberal" reforms Lula (and Cardoso, for that matter) did not bother to implement. I guess he will present the PSDB as the "reforms" party while hammering the PT's corruption and incompetence - particularly the latter, as rekindling the "mensalão" (e.g. the PFL TV ad) has been utterly ineffective.

While it is a hard road ahead, the battle is not lost.
RE: RE: THE RUDE WEAK MAN IMITATING A LE
written by Guest, July 07, 2006

THE ONLY IGNORANT HERE IS YOU!

I SUGGEST YOU VISIT A DOCTOR. YOU ARE MENTALLY CONFUSED.
Opposition line
written by Guest, July 07, 2006
I believe the best approach to the Alckmin campaign is to insist along the lines described in this article (article in Portuguese).

O custo de chegar ao Poder
Gustavo H.B. Franco


Quando o PSDB era governo, o PT fazia uma oposição que hoje sua própria liderança reconhece ter sido agressiva e mesmo destrutiva. Tudo era entreguismo, submissão aos banqueiros e ao capital especulativo, ou motivo para CPIs. Reformas, imagine, nem pensar, a Constituição Cidadã era uma conquista e portanto intocável.

Hoje se percebe que tudo, ou quase tudo, era teatro, e que o objetivo era o de atrapalhar o projeto de poder do PSDB, mesmo que para isso saísse prejudicado o Brasil. Assim é a política. A liderança petista candidamente admite a esperteza, digna de grandes raposas do passado, e faz seu "Mea Culpa" com sorrisos de cantos de boca, como se fosse uma leve travessura sem maiores conseqüências. Afinal de contas, no plano estritamente político, a estratégia foi bem sucedida, eles maximizaram o desgaste do PSDB em passar reformas (que foram boas para o Brasil e que ninguém tenciona desfazer) e, ao fim das contas, ganharam as eleições.

A liderança petista reconhece, portanto, que impediu no Parlamento, no Judiciário ou mesmo nas ruas, como nos tumultos contra as privatizações, o avanço de reformas, como a da Previdência e do Sistema Tributário, que agora - seis ou sete anos depois - elegeu como prioritárias e urgentes para a restauração do crescimento. Ou seja, tudo isso que o presidente Luiz Inácio da Silva está propondo hoje para a Previdência, e muito mais, poderia ter sido feito há seis ou sete anos, e não foi feito em boa medida por causa do próprio PT.

Sim, o governismo teve defecções, sem as quais poderia ter passado as reformas atropelando a postura negativista do PT. Mas daí a dizer que a culpa pelos prejuízos causados pelo atraso nas reformas é do governo vai uma distância grande, tão grande quanto a que separa os pontos de vista que o PT tem hoje sobre as reformas e os que tinha, ou fingia que tinha, na época em que as combateu.

Pois bem, quanto custou ao Brasil atrasar em seis ou sete anos a seqüência de reformas que começa com a da Previdência e do Sistema Tributário e deve prosseguir com a reforma trabalhista e muitas outras?

Medido em bilhões de dólares, ou em pontos porcentuais do PIB, foi imenso o prejuízo ao país causado pela escolha "pragmática" feita pelo Partido dos Trabalhadores, mesmo que a conta se limitasse unicamente aos efeitos financeiros diretos das nova legislação hoje proposta. Para se saber esta quantia exata basta perguntar ao ministro Berzoini quanto terá a Previdência de ganhos com a reforma nos seus primeiros sete anos. A resposta seguramente vem em bilhões de dólares e tem dois dígitos. Este foi o custo, em dinheiro de hoje.

Os efeitos indiretos são mais difíceis de calcular: a dívida pública não teria crescido tanto, os juros não precisariam ter sido tão altos, o crescimento teria sido maior, o país estaria mais robusto e competitivo diante das crises externas posteriores a 1997. Qual seria a taxa de desemprego hoje, ou a taxa de juros, se a Reforma da Previdência tivesse sido feita há sete anos atrás?

Tudo mundo sabe que tudo teria sido muito melhor, tão melhor que o governo FHC teria sido mais bem sucedido e provavelmente o PT não teria ganho as eleições de 2003. Isto comprova três teses: (I) a da urgência e relevância das reformas, agora consenso absoluto (II) a de que o PT deliberadamente prejudicou o Brasil para chegar ao Poder, portanto, passando no "vestibular" para partido político de raposas feito as outras e (III) a de que o PT não tinha como não tem "modelo econômico alternativo", pois o que está fazendo é apropriar-se competentemente de uma agenda de desenvolvimento que nunca foi sua, mas que o próprio PSDB deitou fora por que acreditou tratar-se de uma agenda neoliberal.

Nada disso retira o brilho da vitória política do PT, que sacrificou sua proverbial coerência revolucionária, abandonou suas idéias fundadoras, diminuiu sua capacidade de falar em ética na política, igualou-se aos outros partidos, prejudicou a economia para atrapalhar o inimigo, mas ganhou as eleições. Na política, importa é ganhar, e o PT é um projeto de poder bem sucedido.

O que tem início a partir do final dos festejos e dos primeiros cem dias de indulgência máxima, é todavia, uma experiência inteiramente nova. Quem é este governo que acabamos de eleger? Sabemos que não é mais o mesmo partido que votou contra absolutamente tudo que hoje entende como prioritário. E sabemos também que o PT não é um partido com capacidade de formulação de políticas públicas dentro do programa que costumava chamar de neoliberal.

Que governo é esse, ao final das contas? Quais são suas idéias, suas propostas? Tendo se despido de seu passado, que novo figurino deverá adotar?

A este respeito vale lembrar uma velha história pertencente ao folclore do saudoso professor Mario Henrique Simonsen. Diante de uma tese apresentada por aluno aspirante a um título qualquer, seu veredicto foi salomônico: a tese tem idéias novas e boas, só que as novas não são boas, e as boas não são novas.
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written by Guest, July 07, 2006
I don't believe that the so-called "votes for bribes" was ever proven.
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written by Guest, July 07, 2006
ever proven? Why don't you ask the commission that was set-up to investigate the claims made?

According to them they did PROVE numerous senators and congressmen were involved. When they handed in the results of their research and recommendations it was promptly thrown in the garbage and prompted nearly the entire commission to resign from it!

Just another act of impunity by the brazilian gov't. Why do you think these numerous politicians and ministers "resigned"? Because they were innocent?
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written by Guest, July 07, 2006
I don't believe that the so-called "votes for bribes" was ever proven.

JEFFERSON ADMITTED IT PUBLICLY. WHAT DO YOU NEED? A BAT TO THE HEAD TO HAVE THIS SINK IN?
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written by Guest, July 07, 2006
The commission did not find "votes for bribes." The mensalão was Jefferson's lie. But some people keep repeating this lie of Jefferson's. It's a perfect example of repeating a lie so much that most people will believe it's true, in spite of the evidence. The BBC at least reports correctly: "[The] workers' party had admitted raising millions of dollars in illegal funds, and although the president himself avoided blame, the scandal brought down some heavyweight members of his government." Lula was abosolved by the commission. So get your facts straight.
On votes-for-bribes
written by Guest, July 07, 2006
Alas, this is how the Brazilian state always worked, since the Portuguese court came over (and no, it is not the Portuguese's fault if we did not fix it). There are, however, more respectable-looking cover-ups, in the form of BNDES and Banco do Brasil lending, investment by public pension funds, contracts with public companies, the traditional pork-barrel project, etc.

Since the glorious, super duper Nova República (redemocratization in 1985), and even before, this is how those big campaign slush funds are fed, to the tune of amounts several times larger than those declared to the election authorities.
About Lula in votes-for-bribes
written by Guest, July 07, 2006
Despite the commissions's findings, Ives Gandra Martins's one-liner in the Waldomiro case holds true: "if Dirceu (Lula) knew what was going on, he is an accumplice; if he did not, he is incapable of choosing honest and competent advisors".
A Bunch of Crooks!
written by Guest, July 07, 2006
One of many reasons why I prefer to pay the fine for not voting for Brasilian Politicians. They should all go on a hunger strike, see if I care.
Who\'s afraid of Heloisa Helena?
written by Guest, July 07, 2006
quote:
If Baurque is the same person who often posts on this site and I was Brazilian, I would vote for him. A clone in the manner of Chavez or Castro, Brazil could use someone...right or left who could shake things up.

Actually Heloisa Helena is better in the pool and she being a fervent leftist as she is would make the same shake in Brazil and the White House the style of Chaves and Morales. Hey, John why don't you write about this candidate to you readers?
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written by Guest, July 07, 2006
RE: THE RUDE WEAK MAN IMITATING A LEFTIS

use some debate with the guy and he soon explodes in ignorance.yuk
Re: Who\'s afraid of Heloisa Helena
written by Guest, July 08, 2006
Helena is mentioned right there in the 6th paragraph. Despite her coherence, charisma, etc., she is a good example of how the incompetent are more dangerous than the corrupt. All she has to offer are outdated policies and vacuous, flowery citations; however, she will nibble at Lula from his left, and does offer some insurance against a first-round Lula win.
Crooked, eh?
written by Guest, July 08, 2006
A one-liner by Gianetti da Fonseca during an interview to Miriam Leitão left me thoughtful: "so Congress is corrupt? And do you think our society is much different from that?
re:the rude weak man..with regards
written by Guest, July 08, 2006
i don,t debate with ignorants....and you didn,t deny that you are a pseudo leftist did you?......why don,t you get toghether with cindy sheehan i hear she is desperate for attention!!!!!!!.......Your intellectual act is booring and monotnous......Intellectuals do not lead nations,do not win wars,are generaly naive, lack common sense, are generally good at the exchange of ideas,generally surround themselves with others of their ilk,and can loose a grasp of lifes realitys,tend to be idealist,isolated,and some have been known to be interpersonally disfunctional...no offense of course i just get out often.........just an observation........
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written by Guest, July 08, 2006
quote:

"Despite the commissions's findings, Ives Gandra Martins's one-liner in the Waldomiro case holds true: "if Dirceu (Lula) knew what was going on, he is an accumplice; if he did not, he is incapable of choosing honest and competent advisors"."

There are only TWO conclusions one can come to once the FACTS are known about mensalão.

The first, Lula acted in complicity and had knowledge of what was going on.

The second, if he didn't, he is incompetent.

Strong arguments can be raised for either of the above two conslusions.
Talk about incompetent
written by Guest, July 08, 2006
Bush
Rumsfield
Cheney
Brown (FEMA)

The US can write the book on incompetence.
Heloísa and the free market
written by Guest, July 08, 2006
Well, well , well my dear you did not explain why Heloísa Helena is so incompetent and dangerous with those flowery vacuous citations and outdated policies. The outdated policies you vaguely mentioned are a threat to the interests of the international finance markets? So are these "outdated" policies dangerous for whom? The liberal economic ideology, the glorious free market, is not an outdated policy as well dear?
meu portugues é realmente bom sabe?
written by Guest, July 08, 2006
pseudo leftist? funny, although you are infamous and boring you are also funny. You like to be funny I know, it kinda work sometimes. Oh yeah that Cindy Sheehan when I read in the paper and saw a picture of her lonely out there I thought wow isn't she amazing? Am I looking for attention? sort of, people from America is sometimes in certain, the most important issues involving us, so biased informed that i feel a pain to read what i read you know. I remember at the time of Bush's reelection a newspaper article, there were supplements exclusively portraying the American process in 2004, interviewing US citizens living in Sao Paulo stating that they felt better informed by Brazilian media than when they were in US. Maybe I have the article with me. An American man said that he simply had a total new vision over some issues that they were more broadly covered and in us they show how americans see americans, a woman mentioned that the American media is simply censured. .
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written by Guest, July 09, 2006
I suspect that you are brazilian....i,m not sure whether you are in brazil or the u.s.a.,that said you may be a paulista,possibly middle class,your command of english is somewhat less then perfect,although my command of portuguese is non existent.That said ,i find the anti u.s.a.propaganda coming from the southern continent both pathetic and amusing... On the issue of media {paper} , articles and editorials generally reflect the authors or their bosses particular view.I do not take that as neccessarily being important or often accurate.Your trumping up of the brazilian media and degrading of u.s. media indicates a bias ,.and ignorance of u.s media ,.u.s media is varied and reflects many different views..I will not get into the Iraq War with a foreign national with a preconceived opinion about it based on newspapers and television programs. I will say wars are best run by professionals thats why we have Generals .The reasons for wars are never simple and cut and dry..To experience this gives one certainly a different perspective then say one who has not..If you are sucking in the anti u.s.a. crap coming from the leftists,socialists,marxists, then thats your right.But i will tell you this the majority of americans are patriotic,believe in their democratic gov.are stead fast in their beliefs from birth, that we are the greatest nation on earth, and are the worlds sole number one superpower!!!!!!This is not fiction, this is not rhetoric, but fact!!! . And our history has shown how we got this way.... And if you know anything about american history you will find that we have freed millions upon millions of peoples from tyranny,oppression,communism,terrorism, from europe to asia !!!!!!!!. And we have never been defeated...... WE ARE LOVED,WE ARE ENVIED,AND SOMETIMES WE ARE HATED (BY OUR ENEMYS).... Good luck......
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written by Guest, July 09, 2006
quote:

"there were supplements exclusively portraying the American process in 2004, interviewing US citizens living in Sao Paulo stating that they felt better informed by Brazilian media than when they were in US. Maybe I have the article with me. An American man said that he simply had a total new vision over some issues that they were more broadly covered and in us they show how americans see americans, a woman mentioned that the American media is simply censured. . "

My, my, my. "My dear"...you're going to throw those stones??

How could you? How could you DARE?

Are you saying the press is "more free" in Brazil than in the U.S.?? If so, the only person uninformed here would be you....my dear.

Firstly, most ALL, if not all, media companies have their political views and slants. At least in the U.S. you get MANY differing viewpoints, and also even when the OWNERS of certain media companies are "in the news" for something negative, or something that they certainly don't want media attention over, it's still covered, and on their very own media networks!!

Prime example is Time Warner and CNN. Over the last couple of years they have certainly had some negative press, and that's even covered on CNN.

That is something that you mostly won't find in brazil. And also you must be VERY careful in brazil on whom you report about and exactly what you report.

One should ask Larry Rohter, a New York Times Reporter and Brazilian correspondent where he thinks "freedom of the press" exists more, in brazil or the U.S. A question that he may feel a little uneasy to answer....in brazil.

You see after Larry wrote a story, which the NY Times published, that accused Lula of drinking too much, two days after it ran his visa was REVOKED and he was ordered to leave the country within 8 days!! A letter was carried to the NY Times by the Brazilian Ambassador in the U.S. asking for a detraction and apology. All this even after the main source of the story, coming from a man that should know, Lula's own running mate in 1998, Leonel Brizola.

quote:

"Former Rio de Janeiro state governor Leonel Brizola, the main source for the Times article, reaffirmed his claim that Silva drank too much during the 1998 presidential campaign when Brizola was Silva's running mate.

Brizola said he only told Rohter "what everyone already knows." unquote:



Finally Mr. Rohter was allowed to stay in the country, but only by a supreme court decsion. You see, what Lula, the president of brazil, was trying to do, was UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!! Yet judges from the lower courts UPHELD this decision, it took the supreme court in brazil to finally uphold the LAW.

This is a MINOR situation in comparison to the vast CENSORSHIP that takes place in the brazilian media.But a good indicator of just how ludicrous "freedom of the press" can be in brazil. Naturally I don't believe I even have to mention that brazil has one of the most corrupt governments on earth, and the judicial branch is certainly not immune from this corruption. The judicial branch throughout brazil has time after time served "cease and desist" orders upon stories that have been ready to be published, or broadcast, pertaining to corruption throughout this country and in particular in the states or municipalities where these stories pertain.

The United Nations as well as Amnesty International have made numerous reports and complaints about the restriction of press freedoms and even murders that have been carried out against journalists in brazil.

Here is a recent report from the IPI, the International Press Institute.


2005 World Press Freedom Review
With hundreds of newspapers and television channels and thousands of radio stations, Brazil is South America’s largest media market. The country’s independent media report vigorously on government performance and other political and social issues. However, JOURNALISTS WORKING IN THE COUNTRY'S INTERIOR WHO ATTEMPT TO INVESTIGATE DRUG TRAFFICKING, CORRUPTION AND OTHER ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES CONTINUE TO FACE THREATS, PHYSICAL ATTACKS, AND EVEN DEATH at the hands of local power brokers and criminals, making BRAZIL one of the most DANGEROUS countries in the Western Hemisphere TO PRACTICE JOURNALISM.


When not confronted with threats and physical violence, the country’s journalists also had to contend with CENSORSHIP attempts and a rash of litigation, including c riminal and civil defamation lawsuits based on the 1967 press law, a REMNANTremnant of the former MILITARY DICTATORSHIP. The excessive use of force by police was also a problem for reporters.



Two journalists were murdered in Brazil in 2005.



On 31 March, Ricardo Gonzalves Rocha, owner of Jornal Vicentino newspaper in the city of São Vicente, São Paulo state, was shot dead in his car by an unidentified assailant on a motorcycle. A controversial figure, Gonzalves Rocha was also a city councilman for many years. Police dismissed robbery as a motive since the journalist’s valuables were not taken.



José Cândido Amorim Pinto, an investigative journalist for Rádio Comunitária Alternativa in Carpina, Pernambuco state, was killed on 1 July. He was shot by two men on a motorcycle as he parked his car outside the radio station. Amorim produced and presented an investigative programme in which he frequently reported on corruption cases. Recent targets of his investigations included LOCAL POLITICIANS Mandel Botafogo and Antonio Moraes. Amorim had previously received threats, and he was injured on 21 May when two men on a motorcycle fired shots at his car.



In a blow against impunity in Brazil, several men received lengthy jail sentences in 2005 for their role in the killing of journalists.


On 25 May, a court convicted local drug lord Elias Pereira da Silva in the 2002 murder of investigative reporter Tim Lopes and sentenced him to 28 years and six months in prison. In further trials, six other men were also found guilty in Lopes’s murder and handed down lengthy prison terms.



Brazilians were shocked by the brutal slaying of Lopes, an award-winning investigative reporter, in June 2002. The journalist had gone to Vila do Cruzeiro, one of Rio de Janeiro’s impoverished suburbs, or favelas, where he was investigating parties hosted by drug traffickers that involved drugs and the sexual exploitation of minors. According to two suspects arrested on 9 June, several men close to Pereira da Silva kidnapped Lopes in Vila do Cruzeiro around midnight on 2 June. After Lopes told them he worked for TV Globo, they took him to Pereira da Silva, who was in a nearby favela. The drug traffickers beat Lopes and shot him in the feet, then held a MOCK TRIAL and sentenced the journalist to DEATH. Pereira da Silva KILLED the reporter with a SWORD, and the body was then burned and buried.



In two trials, held on 31 May and 16 June, Célio Alves dos Santos and João Leite were sentenced to prison terms of 17 years and six months and 15 years and two months, respectively, for the 2002 murder of journalist Domingos Sávio Brandão Lima Júnior. The owner and publisher of the daily Folha do Estado in Cuiabá, Mato Grosso state, was shot at least five times in the chest as he was surveying the construction site of his newspaper’s new offices.


Throughout the year, the Brazilian Investigative Journalism Association (Associação Brasileira de Jornalismo Investigativo), the Inter American Press Association (IAPA), and the Lima-based Institute for Press and Society (Instituto Prensa y Sociedad), among others, REPORTED NUMEROUS PRESS FREEDOM VIOLATIONS AND ATTACKS AGAINST BRAZILIAN JOURNALISTS.



On 21 January, Lúcio Flávio Pinto, editor and publisher of a bi-monthly newspaper, Jornal Pessoal, was PHYSICALLY ATTACKED by Ronaldo Maiorana, a businessman and POLITICIAN, in the city of Belém, Pará state. Pinto was repeatedly punched and kicked by Maiorana and two bodyguards in a restaurant in Belém, where he was having lunch with some friends. Maiorana, director of the daily newspaper O Liberal and the television station TV Liberal, also threatened to kill him, Pinto said. Two days before the attack, Pinto had published an article in his bi-monthly, in which he reported on the Maiorana family’s media group and its alleged monopoly in Pará state. Pinto faces numerous criminal defamation and civil lawsuits for his critical reporting on a variety of issues, and he has received death threats in the past.



On 23 March, Maurício Melato Barth, editor and publisher of the bi-monthly newspaper Info-Bairros, was shot twice in the legs by two unidentified men in front of his home in Itapema, Santa Catarina state. The attack followed a series of articles published in his bi-monthly on CORRUPTION AMONG LOCAL POLITICIANS. Barth, who had previously received several anonymous death threats, faced months of recuperation before he could walk again. He and his family were FORCED TO GO INTO HIDING.



On 4 May, Judge Jeová Sardinha de Morais of the 7th Civil District of Goiânia, Goiás state, GRANTED AN INJUNCTION that ordered the withdrawal of all copies of the book, "Na Toca dos Leões" (In the Lions’ Den), from circulation in Brazil. The injunction was granted on behalf of former presidential candidate Ronaldo Caiado, who reportedly filed criminal and civil defamation complaints against the author of the book, freelance journalist Fernando Morais, and a civil complaint against the book’s publisher, Editora Planeta do Brasil.



Morais’s book, which was published in early April, tells the history of the advertising agency, W/Brasil, and quotes one of its main business partners as saying that Caiado, while running for president in 1989, told him that sterilising women could solve the problem of overpopulation in Brazil’s north-eastern region.



In April, sports commentator Jorge Kajuru was convicted of criminal defamation and sentenced to 18 months of overnight detention. Kajuru, whose real name is Jorge Reis da Costa, was ordered to stay at a prison dormitory in Goiânia every night, beginning 28 May. The criminal defamation lawsuit against Kajuru stemmed from allegations he made on air in January 2001 that TV Anhanguera, an affiliate of the television network Rede Globo, had won the rights to broadcast the Goiás state football championship because of its close relationship to the state government. Organizações Jaime Câmara, the media group that owns TV Anhanguera, and its president, Jaime Câmara Júnior, filed several criminal complaints against Kajuru. Judge Alvarino Egídio da Silva Primo of the 12th Criminal District of Goiânia found Kajuru guilty of criminal defamation in June 2003. Kajuru filed several appeals before the Goiás State Court of Justice and the Superior Court of Justice, but his conviction was upheld. In March 2005, the Goiás State Court of Justice ordered that the sentence be carried out.



On 15 May, a JUDGE PROHIBITED Rede Amazônica de Televisão, Rede Globo’s affiliate in Rondônia state, from broadcasting a report on LOCAL CORRUPTION. Minutes before the news programme, "Fantástico", was to air the report on alleged corruption among state legislators, justice officials arrived at Rede Amazônica de Televisão’s studios and served an INJUNCTION BANNING THE BROADCAST.



On 17 May, unidentified persons set fire to the house of journalist Sandra Miranda in Palmas, Tocantins state. According to Miranda, editor of the independent newspaper Primeira Página, the attack may have been connected to her reporting on CORRUPTION AMONG LOCAL POLITICIANS and military police officers.



On 1 September, Judge José Alonso Beltrame Júnior of the 10th Santos Civil Court in São Paulo state issued an ORDER PROHIBITING the newspaper A Tribuna from reporting on a court case involving the misappropriation of public funds. In August, A Tribuna had reported extensively on an investigation by the Special Audit Committee into the alleged embezzlement of funds by Sonia María Precioso de Moura, an official with the Santos Prefeitura.



On 8 September, unidentified attackers set fire to a building housing the newspaper Diário de Marília and two radio stations, Diário FM and Dirceu AM, in Marília, São Paulo state. According to a security guard, who was alone at the time, three hooded men forced their way into the building, threatened him with their guns, and set fire to the building, destroying nearly 80 per cent of the facilities. The editor-in-chief of Diário de Marília, José Ursilio de Souza, believed the attack was aimed at his newspaper in RETALIATION for its "critical editorial line towards LOCAL POLITICIANS."



In December, the New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) condemned a São Paulo court order prohibiting the daily Folha de S. Paulo from publishing reports about a criminal case. Folha de S. Paulo received the written order, signed by Federal District Court Judge Margarete Sacristan, on 9 December. The order, which was issued at the request of plaintiffs in the case, instructed the newspaper to stop publishing reports about a pending court case involving alleged corporate espionage in the battle over control of Brasil Telecom, a telecommunications company. CPJ called the order "THE LATEST EXAMPLE OF JUDICIAL CENSORSHIP IN BRAZIL."



You see my dear, these types of things simply DON'T happen in the U.S. You see, things like "freedom of speech", "freedom of the press", "the right to bear arms" are engrained into the american culture. You can rest assured that one of the most free, if not the most, presses in the WORLD resides in the U.S.A.

Now this is a true story, and not an untypical one at all in brazil.

Firstly, MANY media outlets in many states and municipalities throughout brazil are OWNED by local and state politicians.

In the state of Sergipe in 1998 the state ran energy company was privatized and sold to a company named Energipe for roughly 350 million dollars. Until this day 230 million dollars from that sale are "unaccounted for". This was national news in brazil and even the magazine Veja published an article about this and its governor at the time, Albano Franco. At that time, and even until today, Mr. Franco is owner of nearly every single state and local media publication and broadcast network. This story was NEVER broadcast or written about in the local or state media! And, those Veja magazines about this story.....NEVER MADE IT TO SERGIPE!! All editions of Veja magazine about that story bound for Sergipe were PURCHASED in Salvador, Bahia!! Wonder by whom??

Within the last year Veja also ran a story about vast accounting discrepancies in the construction of a resort in Bahia, Costa de Sauipe. A project that was supposed to cost less than 250 million dollars and was funded by federal pensions. This project ended up costing over ONE BILLION DOLLARS, once again, those Veja's, never made it to Salvador.

Freedom of the press in brazil....that's as ludicrous as saying "opportunity for all".

I have to Agree
written by Guest, July 09, 2006
With the above poster. There is limited freedom of the press in Brazil, with most newspapers covering local fluff and celebrities. Hard hitting articles are few and only come to light if one powerful side or the other sees a benefit. The larger cities have some leeway, but in the North writting about landowners or the land reform movement is serious stuff and led to murders of journalists, same in attempts to inform Brazil (the world) on the rape and destruction of the Amazon.
Can I dare because I am a Brazilian?
written by Guest, July 09, 2006
I did not mention that the press is more free in Brazil than in the US but did you already forget the Judith Miller case, the Times correspondent that had a major, big enormous influence in the imperialistic American ideology toward the Iraq invasion? And also how the The New York Times coverage on Iraq and its alleged stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction helped lead the country to war? It was equally disgusting to see how the times made a party and a triumph of democracy out of her imprisonment. And the journalist that routinely faked articles? I am not to be blamed because some Americans said that they felt better acquainted with the American government actions since they started to live abroad. Anti americanism is not a benefit of marxists, communists, leftists, the whole world sees the stupidities of your government.

Luis Fernando Verissimo: Traçando New York, 1980. (Sketching New York)

Chapter: Independency

Familiarity generates despise, someone said. And said well. Who admires the American press –the freest and, therefore, the best of the world- should not be familiar with it. He will be disappointed. But not disillusioned. Firstly because the superiority of press in these lands compared to any other, in regards of technic and aggressiveness, is not an illusion. Secondly, because certainly anyone else believes for real in an independent press. In totalitarian countries, press serves the state and in the democratic countries, inverted commas to each one’s taste, it serves to the interest of groups and classes. I am not shocking anyone I believe (…).

(…)The greatest deception is cause by “New York Times” because, after all, it is the highest standard of objective journalism in the world. One should read “New York Times” jointly with the last “Village Voice” beside it, opened in Alexandre c**kburn column. c**kburn has amused himself with the “Times” expert in Middle East that predicted the armed forces from Iran would not resist 3 days of war and since then have tried to explain not only how the Iranian planes get off the ground but also arrive in Bagda and also why the Iraqis haven’t yet occupied Teera. c**kburn also reveals that the recent series of articles from the “Times” specialist regarding weaponry about the American arsenal deficiency and that has served as munition to those who wish strengthen the war industry, must be read with some caution: the man of the “Times” is well known as being used by the Pentagon and the government hawks, group he consorts with, to disseminate stories of their interest. The Times correspondent in Middle East already knows that an article over the Israeli atrocities against Palestinians will hardly receive the same highlight in the newspaper as an Palestinian atrocity. None of the New Yorker daily even mentioned the proved corruption cases from the republican candidate of that region of the state, Alphonse D’Amato, the Maluf of Long Island, that “Voice” revealed. “The Post” that is only compared to the cheapness and superficiality sensationalism of the worst London tabloids, headlined its support to the Reagan candidature in first page. (…)

About the rape of Amazon, Amazon is partially own by American companies that explores its rich minerals since the 60s.

re: I have to agree agree agree
written by Guest, July 09, 2006
And i also agree with the above 3 posters...stay the course!......When you kick in the door of a rotten structure..the whole building falls down !!!!...
re: I have to agree agree agree
written by Guest, July 09, 2006
And i also agree with the above 3 posters...stay the course!......When you kick in the door of a rotten structure..the whole building falls down !!!!...
FUNNY....ONE OF THE FORUM MEMBER !
written by Guest, July 09, 2006


THE MEMBER WRITING ALL THE TIME : IGNORANT AND INCOMPETENT, IS CERTAINLY THE ONE WHO JUST REPEAT HIMSELF AS BEING THE LEAST COMPETENT AND THE MOST IDIOT !

He simply cannot write more than these few words.
Not much education and even less brains !

Is his name LOZEIDA !!!!
Thus not surprising.

It remains that that Brazil is a developing country contrary to the the USA. It remains that the USA is a younger country than Brazil but did not need mansy centuries like Brazil to become developed.
Thus what did they do right that Brazil did wrong ?

Simple !

It also remains that Brazil grew at 1,6 % during the last decade and at around 3,1 % in the last 4 years.
Nonetheless, Brazil has the LOWEST economic growth of ALL developing countries.
Thus what other countries do right and what does razil wrong ?
Simple.

It also remains that Brazil has the WORLD highest poverty rate when compared to their GDP per capita.

Thus, how can you be so bad ?

The only thing that works perfectly in Brazil are corruption, coprruption, corruption at every level of the society.

Lula has even made legal the vote buying schemes.

Great achievement and his only achievement !


What a shame, nothing will ever change for the better in Brazil !

You are always at the queue of the development growth. How will you fill the gap with the developed nations, while growing so slowly ???

I just remind you that ALL developing countries grew at least 50 % more than you did. China,India, Argentina (your competitors) grew at over TWICE your rate.

Simply stated, nothing to be proud of ! Stop finding excuses, the reality is in the comparative numbers !!!!!!
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written by Guest, July 09, 2006
quote:

"About the rape of Amazon, Amazon is partially own by American companies that explores its rich minerals since the 60s."

There are american companies in the amazon, BUT, the PROTECTION of the AMAZON is a problem that BRAZIL must tackle!

Afterall, if a brazilian company, or any foreign company opens its doors, buys land, in the United States, starts to BREAK LAWS, who is responsible for enforcing the law?? The host county of the company?? Kinda ludicrous to even have to discuss that point.
Can\'t compare
written by Guest, July 09, 2006
Judith Miller going to jail for a few months to protect her source (we later found out it was all bulls**t), pales in comparison with reporters being executed for reporting about the landless struggle or the deforestation by big business of the Amazon Basian. How about the three journalist that were killed reporting about modern day slavery in the gold mines? Brazils politicans getting a pass with no prison time. I'll tell you what, put a couple of powerful corrupt leades in a Rio prison for a year or two and the rest of them will wise up quickly. You simply can not compare freedom of the press in Brazil to that of the US or any other developed and civilized country.
LITTLE IMPOTENT ONES !!!
written by Guest, July 09, 2006
BRAZIL, VENEZUELA,BOLIVIA,CUBA...NOW REALLY LETS BE HONEST......AMERICANS COULD CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT COMES FROM THESE THIRD WORLD HELL HOLES.......LET THEM ROT IN THEIR OWN FILTH AND CORRUPTION....THEY ARE INSIGNIFICANT....THEY ARE MILITARILY IMPOTENT,ECONOMICALLY BANKRUPT,AND NOT EVEN TAKEN SERIOUSLY...........THEY ARE RUN BY DESPOTS, CRIMINALS, AND TRAFFICKERS.......WHO CARES!!!!....
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written by Guest, July 10, 2006
"BRAZIL, VENEZUELA,BOLIVIA,CUBA...NOW REALLY LETS BE HONEST......AMERICANS COULD CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT COMES FROM THESE THIRD WORLD HELL HOLES......"

You sure "did" in the "sixties".





re: can\'t compare
written by Guest, July 10, 2006
well, that's what you have bud, people try and equivalate a reporter going to jail for a matter of days, for protecting their source, a crime of contempt, to the murder, burning of homes, beatings, and threats of life, that is commonplace in brazilian journalism.

"the most dangerous country in the western hemisphere to practice journalism", that's a quote and conclusion by the IPI (International Press Institute).

So exactly what type of "news" do people in brazil think they're receiving? Full and detailed accounts when their very lives, and the lives of their families may be at stake for reporting the facts?

A LOT of things happen in brazil, and within states, regions, and cities, that the population there never knows about...thanks to the corrupt judiciary working hand-in-hand with the corrupt politicians.
Lies
written by yadda, July 11, 2006
There was no mensalão. Get it through your thick head! Jefferson lied!
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written by yadda, July 11, 2006
"Ives Gandra Martins's one-liner" is pseudo-logic and dimwitted drivel.
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written by guest, July 11, 2006
quote:

"There was no mensalão. Get it through your thick head! Jefferson lied! "

And that says it all....a very typical brazilian mindset. Seriously LOL!
Lord, you\'re dumb
written by Yadda, July 16, 2006
"And that says it all....a very typical brazilian mindset. Seriously LOL!"

LOL! I'm not brazilian, you jackass! What presumption. Lord, you're dumb.
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written by guest, July 17, 2006
Can you read?? OK, now how about comprehend??

I said brazilian "mindset", do you know what "mindset" means??

I didn't say you were brazilian numbnutz!

And talking about dumb, if your the ignorant idiot who posted mensalão is a farce you have serious problems. That would be like denying there is a war in iraq!
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written by Yadda, July 17, 2006
Prove the mensalão existed, moron. There was a commission that investigated it, and found it didn't.

You stated that I expressed a "typical brazilian mindset." So, yes, you did presume that I'm brazilian. Your words, you ignorant jackass. But, you have the typical mindset of an opinionated jackass who doesn't take responsibility for his own words or actions. You are a sad, frustrated moron, aren't you.

The mensalão was a lie told by a liar and believed by morons like you. It was not true. You never got any goods on Lula, who was and is an honest man. He'll be re-elected. Stop crying or go cry to your mother.
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written by guest, July 17, 2006
quote:

"Prove the mensalão existed, moron. There was a commission that investigated it, and found it didn't."

Yes, there was a commission that investigated it, and found CONCLUSIVE proof on at least 12 senators and congressmen that participated in mensalão....and guess what happened to their recommendations???

THROWN IN THE TRASH!!!

After that nearly every single member of the commission RESIGNED!! The entire investigation was a FARCE!!

Yet another example of brazilian IMPUNITY!
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written by guest, July 17, 2006
After the installation of the Investigation Commission the government allegedly tried to control the commission by installing allies Senator Delcídio Amaral (PT) as President and Deputy Osmar Serraglio (PMDB) as the key reporter.

Although the Congressional Commission of Investigation for the Post Office scandal subject was officially restricted to the investigation of irregularities in the Post Office administration, it began to investigate the expanding monthly payment claims because of the apparent connections between the cases.

An additional commission for the broader scandal was officially installed on July 20. Allies of the government occupy the key posts; the President of the CPI is the Senator Amir Lando and the reporter (responsible for writing the final report) the Deputy Ibrahim Abi-Ackel. Abi-Ackel was minister of justice in the government of João Baptista Figueiredo, and he was also accused of involvement in a corruption scandal.
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written by guest, July 17, 2006
The scandal's development
Throughout July and August, the scandal expanded in a complicated and baroque manner that some described as similar to a Brazilian soap opera (telenovela). In early July, an advisor to Congressional deputy and brother of Workers’ Party President José Genoíno, was seized at an airport with $100,000 in his underwear and additional funds in his luggage.



LMAO! Yeah, nothing illegal going on there!
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written by guest, July 17, 2006
It is also unclear if the scandal will lead to criminal trials against key figures like José Dirceu and Delúbio Soares. Some Brazilian commentators are speculating that the situation will "end up in pizza" ("terminar em pizza"), a culinary-inspired term for a situation where no one is punished.



TYPICAL....pais sem lei!
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written by guest, July 17, 2006
First joint preliminary CPI report
The Post Office and Vote Buying parliamentary commissions of investigation unanimously approved their first joint preliminary report on September 1, 2005.

The report accused 18 Brazilian deputies of involvement in the corruption scandal:

Carlos Rodrigues (PL-Rio de Janeiro)
José Janene (PP-Paraná)
Pedro Correia (PP-Pernambuco)
Pedro Henry (PP-Mato Grosso do Sul)
Sandro Mabel (PL-Goiás)
João Magno (PT-Minas Gerais)
João Paulo Cunha (PT-São Paulo)
José Borba (PMDB-Paraná)
Josias Gomes da Silva (PT-Bahia)
Paulo Rocha (PT-Bahia)
Professor Luizinho (PT-São Paulo)
Romeu Queiroz (PTB-Minas Gerais)
Vadão Gomes (PP-São Paulo)
Vanderval Santos (PL-São Paulo)
José Mentor (PT-São Paulo)
Roberto Brant (PFL-Minas Gerais)
José Dirceu (PT-São Paulo)
Roberto Jefferson (PTB-Rio de Janeiro)

In the report they are accused of misdeeds including illegal campaign finance activities, placing cronies in strategic positions in government enterprises and receiving kickbacks in return, and receiving cash payments in exchange for voting with the government in the Brazilian Congress.

In regard to the claims initially made by deputy Roberto Jefferson (PTB) the report states:

Everything he said that could be investigated was revealed to appear to be valid, including his own confessions.
Everything he said when compared to other testimonies showed a great degree of validity.


The report stated that several documents were identified and validated proving that large sums of money were withdrawn from agencies of the Rural Bank in Brasilia and Belo Horizonte, as well as from the bank accounts of the enterprises SMPB and DNA. According to the documents, the beneficiaries were federal deputies who received funds in person or through relatives, advisers, or individuals chosen by Marcos Valério.

The report affirmed that it was possible that some payments were made on a monthly basis and others more or less frequently. The presence of the scheme at all, however, was to deemed to be of greater importance than the timing of the payments.

The editors of the CPI report called the defense made by some parliamentarians that the funds were used to settle debts from electoral campaigns a "lame excuse".
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written by guest, July 17, 2006
Figures losing their posts as a result of the scandal

Mauricio Marinho, Post Office Chief, May 14
The director of the Post Office Administration, Antonio Osório Batista and his immediately assistant Fernando Godoy, May 16
Luiz Appolonio Neto, President of the IRB, May 21
The leadership of the Correios and of the IRB, June 7
The directors of electrical firms: Dimas Fabiano Toledo, Rodrigo Botelho Campos e José Roberto Cesaroni Cury, June 30
José Dirceu, Chief-of-Staff (analogous to British Cabinet Office), June 14
Roberto Jefferson, President of PTB, June 17
Silvio Pereira, Secretary-General of the PT, July 4
Delúbio Soares, Treasurer of PT, July 5
Glenio Guedes, Directory of the Conselho de Recursos do Sistema Financeiro, July 6
José Adalberto Vieira da Silva, Advister to the deputy José Nobre Guimarães, July 8
José Nobre Guimarães, Manager of the state directory of the PT-CE, July 9
José Genoino, President of the PT, July 9
Marcelo Sereno, Communication Secretary of the PT, July 9
Henrique Pizzolato, Director of marketing of the Banco do Brasil, July 10
Luiz Gushiken, Ministério da Comunicação e Gestão Estratégica was relegated downwards, July 12.
Luiz Gushiken was downgraded again. Left position as at Secretary of Communication to become an adviser to President Lula, July 21
Valdemar Costa Neto, Federal deputy and president of the PL, resigned his mandate, August 1
Marcio Lacerda, Executive Secretary in the Ministry of National Integrtaion, August 2
Manoel Severino, President of the Casa da Moeda do Brasil, tendered resignation, August 3
Danilo de Camargo, Coordinator of the Commission of Ethics in the PT, August 6
Juscelino Antonio Dourado, Cabinet chief of Finance Minister, September 1


22 Ministers, presidents and general secretarys of political parties, high up executives with banks, and congressmen themselves, RESIGNED or TERMINATED from their positions because of mensalão!!!!

It was all a big LIE huh numbnutz!!!


As I said, if you deny the existance of mensalão, one could equally deny the existance of the war in Iraq!

Truly boggles the mind of the ignorance of some......but I have to believe this is only a political maneuver on your part.....you can't be that thick.
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written by guest, July 17, 2006
I have a 10 page DETAILED timeline if you like?? After reading it it's truly incomprehensible how any human could make a statement like mensalão didn't exist....lmao.

The Neil Armstrong moonwalk was staged in hollywood, area 51 has a dead preserved alien and his crashed spaceship, 9-11 was perpetrated by the Bush administration, and mesalão didn't exist...... smilies/grin.gif
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written by guest, July 17, 2006
quote:

"You stated that I expressed a "typical brazilian mindset." So, yes, you did presume that I'm brazilian."

Get it right numbnuzt, I stated you had a "brazilian mindset", that doesn't necessarily mean you're brazilian, nor that I implied such!

If someone has an american "mindset", or is "americanized", that certainly doesn't mean he is american!
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written by guest, July 17, 2006
....and the ignorant idiot was enlightened and unable to open his mouth.


Oh the silence....


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written by a guest, July 18, 2006
Right. I'm sure you always accuse non-brazilians of having a "typical brazilian mindset." LOL! You ignorant, illiterate ass! LOL!
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written by a guest, July 18, 2006
. . . and the ignorant, illiterate ass remained unenlightened, and an opinionated jackass, just the same. LOL! smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif
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written by guest, July 18, 2006
and mensalão???? Figures you would avoid that alltogether!


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written by bruno b figueiro, August 25, 2006
A senadora Heloísa Helena é paga pau do hamas com comando vermelho!!!! Heloísa Helena vai queimar na bunda de José Sarney gayão,p-sol vai inferno gay.
Maldito dos pstu,pco,hamas,pmn,cornos,Itamar Franco gay(mineiro gay) e pcc,vão fu**!!!!

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