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The Catwalk Dreams of Brazil’s Have-Nots PDF Print E-mail
Written by Gabe Ponce de León   
Wednesday, 29 December 2004 00:00

Isabela Hasselblad, model from RocinhaOn a cool Saturday morning in Rio de Janeiro,  Zé Luiz Summer, a 34-year-old Afro-Brazilian, leaves his home in Rocinha, Brazil’s largest favela (shantytown) and begins descending down the meandering alleyways of the favela

Rocinha—which means “little field” in Portuguese—sprawls along the northeastern fringe of São Conrado, a chic neighborhood of modern high-rises and million-dollar mansions.  The favela swells with over a hundred thousand inhabitants and boasts the moniker “the city within the city.” 

Like most Rio de Janeiro favelas, Rocinha is dominated by drug traffickers who police the streets and invest some of the spoils of the drug trade in community projects.  On Good Friday of this year, Rocinha was transformed into the very image of the crisis of civic order in Rio de Janeiro when a war between rival drug lords left dozens of people dead.
 
In his stylishly torn jeans and designer shirt, Zé Luiz would look at home in a café in Soho.  But amid the dilapidated trappings of the favela—where T-shirt, Bermuda and Havaianas flip flops often serve as all-purpose attire—he stands out just as the red-faced, paunched gringo does among the expertly-tanned and finely-sculpted bodies of Ipanema beach. 

But why can’t a designer shirt seem right on a resident of the favela?  This is the question to which Zé Luiz has dedicated much of the past decade and out of which the idea for a modeling school arose.

Zé Luiz traverses a highway via an overpass to São Conrado where he enters the Ayrton Senna da Silva high school.  Inside, he climbs three dingy flights of stairs to the rooftop, where a youth soccer tournament game is in progress.  He unlocks the door to a gym and enters; the floor of the room is padded with gymnastics mats and mirrors cover one wall and a horizontal wooden bar lines the opposite wall.

Zé Luis waits patiently in the empty gym for his pupils to arrive.  It is now half past nine, when class is scheduled to begin, but in accordance with the casual relationship the Carioca (native of Rio de Janeiro) has with time, it will be another hour or two before every would-be model has made an entrance.

Now the hour hand on the wall clock points to ten and almost that many students have trickled in.  They link hands in a circle in the middle of the room.  Zé Luiz switches on a boom box and an American pop tune fills the room. 

He joins his students in the circle as they walk counterclockwise in sync to the music, the human circle spinning like a wheel.  A few minutes pass and the students break the link but, remaining in single file, proceed to parade around the room, snaking and zigzagging, showcasing the trademark Brazilian flair and knack for improvisation.

The model train makes a few tours of the room and then disbands as the students line up along the western wall, facing the mirror on the opposite end of the room. Zé Luiz begins with a demonstration—he crosses the room, his hips jutting forward; his steps are deliberate, yet nimble. His posture is relaxed and his thumbs are hooked around his pockets. 

When he reaches the wall he stops, tilts back his head, partially closing his eyes and forming his lips into a slight pucker.  His graceful movements and supreme confidence reveal the fact that he once had a modeling career of his own.

Now it is the students’ turn.  Ana Karenine, a wiry 14 year-old takes off toward the mirrors.   Her legs criss-cross as she swoons forward on a wave of excitement, her body swaying gently.  She reaches the mirror, jerks her head left as her curly hair flies right. 

She tosses a seductive glance toward the mirror and, with her hands on her hips she spins, and heads back to where she started.  Zé Luiz nods, almost imperceptibly, his approval.

Next is Elizane Souza Leopoldino, whose artist name is Liz Leopoldo. Her cream-colored cheeks are fleshy and her jaw has a strong thrust that ends in a pointy chin—unconventional features that she hopes might be her passport to success. 

When she entered Dreams Models a year ago, she had not yet mastered walking in high heels—let alone strutting her stuff on a runway.  Now she walks with a confident air.  She wears black sandals whose straps wrap around her feet like spider legs, skin-tight black jeans that accentuate her formidable thighs, and a short sleeve shirt. 

But it is in her hips, where her true prowess resides; those powerful, Brazilian hips, whose titillating movements possess that coveted ability to freeze time, to command attention, to concomitantly intrigue and entice. 

Perhaps they were the reason she was selected by the designer George Moreira to model a bridal gown on the popular late-night talk show Programa do Jô (a Brazilian equivalent of David Letterman) last year in São Paulo. 

Liz admits that she was nervous, but she never had second thoughts about going through with the gig.  After all, the bright lights of the São Paulo studio are a long way from Vitorino Freire, the small agricultural city in the impoverished northeastern state of Maranhão, from where Liz emigrated in 1996 at the age of eleven.

With its incessant bustle and irreverent throngs of people, Liz recollects the culture shock—and even fear of Rocinha and Rio de Janeiro—she felt when she first arrived.  Over time, however, Liz came to consider Rocinha home and that same Rio hubbub now bubbles through her veins like her own blood.

*****

By a quarter past eleven, Zé Luiz’s flock has grown to twenty.  It seems that every time he takes his eyes off that imaginary catwalk, a new student has appeared, preening in front of a mirror, or chatting with another student. 

At the opposite end of the room, young footballers have drifted over from their soccer tournament and are now jostling for space in the doorway.  The disheveled bunch loiters around for a while, hissing and giggling from the sidelines.  Before long, they hustle back to the more important business of working out the holes in their game in time for the 2010 World Cup.

If you can make it in Rocinha, you can make it anywhere.  These young women are already inured to the hoots and howls that seem to follow attractive women in Rio de Janeiro.  Rozeres, a slender 20-year-old with a majestic forehead and oblong eyes, complains that “ninety-nine percent of men are up to no good.” 

For Rozeres, who migrated to Rio from the northeastern state of Paraíba when she was a baby, one of the principal problems with dating men in Rocinha is that a woman who is not cautious can find herself manchada, or stained.

Indeed, young women growing up in Rocinha navigate through a contradictory social space in which traditional values impose constraints on acceptable behavior, yet where promiscuity is prevalent and incidences of teenage pregnancy high. 

Joana, a precociously zaftig fourteen-year-old laments the fact that many girls from Rocinha—including one former Dream Models student—become pregnant before they are eighteen, and sometimes even at her age.  “This is not because of lack of awareness, it’s just carelessness,” Liz tells me.

“Sometimes girls get pregnant because they want the man to stay with them,” Michelle, a beautiful 16 year-old with large, hazel eyes, tells me. “I had a friend—a guy—who was twenty-one and he got his girlfriend, who was fifteen, pregnant.  When she told him that she was pregnant, he broke up with her.  Her father decided to go over there, to talk to some people about it.  The drug traffickers heard out the girl’s father and made the guy marry her.”

While incidences of teenage pregnancy are generally higher in favelas than on the asfalto (literally, the “asphalt” or the formal city) the majority of females in Rocinha—which has strong roots in the traditional Northeast from where most of its families emigrated—would be considered socially conservative by mainstream American standards. 

Evangelical Protestants are the fastest growing religious group in the community.  Not a single female student that I spoke to admitted to drinking alcohol or casually using drugs—though I was later informed that many of them sometimes take a surreptitious swig.

Indeed, there is a sharp double standard that exists between the sexes in Rocinha.  The majority of Dreams Models female students contend that women are now winning a greater space in Brazilian society, especially in the workplace. 

Yet they more often than not attest to coming from highly patriarchal households, where women of the family need to fight to maintain equal-footing with the men.  Some female students also complain that male relatives who are the same age are permitted to stay out late on weekends, while they must adhere to strict curfews. 

Even more vexing, however, is the encouragement adolescent males often receive from relatives to acquire sexual experience.  Those who are shy—or perhaps “late-bloomers”—might even generate concern regarding their sexual orientation.  Females, on the other hand, are almost invariably pressured to scrupulously preserve their chastity throughout their teenage years.

*****

After relocating to a large space downstairs, the catwalk exercise resumes as two females students begin walking in tandem across the room.  One is Jessica, a diminutive 12 year-old girl, who is attending class the first time today.  She has sharp features and beautiful clear eyes. 

There is a natural bounce in her gait and she carries herself with remarkable grace, though every so often she quizzically peeks to her right to the more experienced Rozeres, just to make sure that she is doing everything correctly.  Rozeres, with perfect technique, glides forward with spry steps and seductive hip sways.

“At first we all thought that we could become top models,” she tells me.  “Then we realized that it’s not so easy.  It’s really hard to break into this profession; most of the work we get is at benefits and things like that.”

But she goes on to acknowledge that even if economic benefits never do accrue to her, she has profited from the course in other ways.

“We came into Dreams Models with many flaws,” she confesses “that we have since worked out.  Now I can say that I can walk into any place and any kind of atmosphere, and hold my own.  I was very timid when I came in.”

This is no insignificant assertion when considering the economic and social exclusion that shrouds the favela.    Zé Luiz recollects the words of a television producer several years back to appear on a show—words that underscore the stigma that clings to the favelado—resident of a favela—in Brazil.  When he brought his students to this producer’s television studio he recalls that the producer could not believe they were from Rocinha.

“But they are so beautiful!” the producer exclaimed in disbelief.

 “People think that people from Rocinha have no manners, no culture,” according to Thaynara, a 16 year-old.  “But it’s not the place that makes the person, it’s the person that makes the person.”

In Rocinha, a prevalent belief is that prejudice against even extends to the job market.  For instance, in Rio de Janeiro it is commonplace for favelados to conceal where they live in job applications by providing false addresses to prospective employers. 

According to Ana Maria, a lanky 18-year-old, her cousin recently applied for similar positions at two different companies.  In one application she disclosed her real address whereas in the other she put down a false address in an affluent neighborhood.  She was offered the position only at the latter company.

*****

It is almost one o’clock and the class has all but disintegrated into pockets of conversations, as fashion magazines, or pictures of past runway shows circulate the periphery of the classroom.  There is a window that stretches the distance of the western wall.  On the left side of this window, the high-rises of São Conrado cut into the nebulous sky. 

Across the highway, on the right side of the window, Rocinha’s ruddy edifices are submerged in fog one minute, only to resurface the next.  This scene is uncannily framed by concrete arches from the external structure of the building, creating the impression of a bridge, from one side of the highway to the other. 

I realize that possibly no where else in Brazil is the gap between the country’s haves and have-nots so palpable, so symbolically visible, as in this spot where I now stand. 

Here I recognize the intrinsic divide between the stigmatized, degraded world of the morro (hillside slum) and the glistening cachet of the fashion universe.  Is it possible that in some space, at some point in time, these two worlds can actually converge?

Zé Luiz, who believes he has witnessed a marked improvement in the manner in which mainstream society interacts with the favela and vice-versa, thinks so.

“The rise of a new generation of Brazilian idols, soccer players and musicians, many of whom are poor or dark-skinned, contributed to creating a new social face of Brazil,” he tells me. 

Yet despite progress, he dolefully acknowledges that “of ten runway models, eight are white, one is dark-skinned, and one is black.”  Moreover, he is aware that few favelados meet the universal standard for height and weight for haute couture models.

According to Zé Luiz, an instinctive longing to be seen resides at the burning core of the human spirit.  In the subculture of fashion models, this drive is even more dominating. 

If Zé Luiz is correct then could it not follow that, coming from the favela—which sometimes does not even appear on the city map—this primordial instinct might not pulsate even stronger?  Could this be true not just for the aspiring model, but for the teenage drug-trafficker as well?

“Perhaps the real value of my project”, Zé Luiz tells me, “should be measured not necessarily in how many runway models it produces, but in how it elevates the self-esteem of the students.  I think it makes many of them more comfortable with themselves.”

Gabe Ponce de León is a photographer and writer from New York City.  He lived in Rocinha for over seven months.  He is on the board of directors of the Two Brothers Foundation, a non-profit based in Rocinha.  He can be reached for comments or questions at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

For more information about Dreams Models, Zé Luiz Summer can be contacted at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

Comments (192)Add Comment
Ze Luiz
written by Guest, December 29, 2004
I admire Ze Luiz and his efforts to "make something" of himself, while offering an escape to the moradores of Rocinha, unfortunatly salvation for Brasil's poor does not lie in his modeling school on the asphalt, but with better educational opportunites for Brasil's socialy disadvantaged women. Recently a local super market chain was hiring, they came under fire because all citizens with addresses in the favelawere not considered for the open positions. It is true however, that Brasilian women are quickley moving ahead of their male counterparts, especially in the sciences where I work. All labs are now nearly 75% women working in research and analisis, I would expect this to continue, as women take a more active role in social activites and politics, something Brasil will benefit greatly from.
Pathetic
written by Guest, December 29, 2004
This just goes to show how shallow the brazillians are and how jobs where looks, not brainpower, are seen as ways out of the misery.

Bazillian women are not more beautiful than women in so many other countries, but they think they are soooo goodlooking! I'm a man who has often been stunned by the extreme prejudice that I have been met with because of my (white) race in Brazil. I have never been in a country where a persons race means being met with such a strong prejudice.

Everybody thought that I was rich, a millionare ore something, people just wouldn't believe that I'm middleclass averege kind of guy. No, I.'m white so I must be extremely rich! It was a very bizarre experience.

For many of these third world countries I really can't see the way out. I mean people in Brazil only think about sex! Now, isn't there other things in life than sex?? Such an insane country! I was visiting Brazil a while ago but I had to return prematurely. I just couldn't stand it anymore.

The last straw was when I witnessed a caraccident. A woman was killed in front of me, she was splattered all over the place. The truck who hit the women just continued driving away from the place like nothing had happened. And people around the scene showed no signs of emotions, they just kapt walking by without any care in the world.The head of the dead women was turned in my direction and she looked me right in the eyes... I just couldn't take it anymore, I had to leave.

At least now I know how hell is like! Before I came to Brazil I thought that black skin was pretty; Now I think that white skin looks rather nice actually.

Brazil is doomed to be a third world country forever due to it's cruel, false, immoral and careless population.
Racist
written by Guest, December 29, 2004
Bulls**t
Calm down
written by Guest, December 29, 2004
Take some viagra my friend. The reason we think about sex is because we are so good at it...much better than whitebread up north. Perhaps it is because your women are so fat and ugly. Probably came here with your girlfriend and she stayed with a Brasilian man. To bad you wern't ran over man, I would not have stopped.
RE: Pathetic
written by Guest, December 29, 2004
Your lackluster use of the english language is matched only by your blindness. I am so embarassed to be an American when I hear people like you speaking out. What are you even doing reading this magazine? Go away feio gringo. The people of Brazil have shown me to be some of the most caring considerate and beautiful people of_the_world. Please return to the safety of your shopping mall and dial 9-1-1 if you feel afraid.

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bravo ponce
written by Guest, December 29, 2004
Very insightful Article. Having only a superficial knowledge of the current situations present within the favelas of Brazil, Ponce De Leon does a good job in illustrtaing some of the characteristics of life in Rochina. In todays modeling world, there are certainly some brazilian beauties. It is interesting to imagne theses supermodels careers possibly stemming from the project mentioned here, or perhaps one like it. More importantly, though the career and iterest of modeling obviously appears shallow to some - one guest in particular - the story does a fine job in showing how programs such as ze luis' help brood self esteem and confidence among a young age group fighting constant gender and class issues as well as poverty and the ongoing violence.
i can feel ya
written by Guest, December 29, 2004
I can understand what he is saying a bout race.....being white in brazil is a sign of social status and that can only lead to Brazilian's having a distorted world view. When Brazil drops these false notions of race only then can the lead from the pool of third world countries. Look at the advancement of the US where maintream society has come to accept people of all races and colors.
Feel this
written by Guest, December 29, 2004
Yea, let's look at the US my fellow American writes, where most blacks still live in poverty in America's largest cites. Why is it that the prison poulation in America is over 75% men of color? Ever heard of racial profiling? Yes my while friend, while you are busy saying, "Oh I am not a racists. some of my best friends are negros", black are dying at almost double the rate of whites from aids. Mainstream US is still a racist society, and only the progressive population understands the struggle of our brothers and sisters. This is pure bulls**t, by a white American, who lives in white neighborhoods, and will cross the street before he passes a black youth with dreads. He is the same chickens**t who has so much to say about Brazil in the previous posting, but has no clue as to what he is talking about. While I have nver been to Brazil, from what I understand people of Brazil posses a tolerent and progressive attitude, I am planning my own visit soon, and I am looking forward to seeing for myself. To my white countryman, bow before Condeleca and Colin...but for the rest of us, take of your white hood and show your skin head, you are really what America is all about.
ok what ever
written by Guest, December 30, 2004
first off I am black and only in America do black rule popular culture.....u are some what right however ...the US is still a little racist but i have been to Brazil
and it was almost like the US in 1950. i saw a plenty people of color but turn on the TV i maybe saw 1 or 2 blacks.....turn on the TV in a America.....most of the comercial have black or hip-hop in them......yes in America u have problems facing black....but America is the best Country for a black person to be in........
Brazil
written by Guest, December 30, 2004
I have visited Brazil from America several times.
I find Brazil and its people to be some of the most compasionate and friendly people I have ever met.
I have traveled all over the world and Brazil has many things that make it a great place to visit or live.
As long as people like Zé Luiz Summer have hope, anything is possible.
The people of Brazil are special. Stay the way you are. Help the poor and let's raise the standard of living for all through the many programs available.
Zé Luiz Summer -- you are so strong and show the way for others to follow.
Re: ok whatever
written by Guest, December 30, 2004
Only in U.S. blacks rule popular culture? You watch too much TV. In Brazil you see the influence of the African religion and customs on a daily basis. Have you ever heard of Iemanja, Ogum, Oxossi and other Afro-Brazilian deities? Good luck to find such manifestations of true black culture in the U.S. Have you ever seen capoeira? Another Afro-Brazilian art/fight form, and what about samba, carnaval e the African influenced cuisine you find throughout Brazil? In Brazil, Africa rules much more than other places in the world outside Africa itself. Check this out: If you want to see ancient African rituals, you need to go to Bahia because only there they have been preserved. You won't find them not even in Africa nowadays, due to European colonization. Wake up and realize that Brazil is above all African influenced. By the way, Brazil is America too: South America...
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written by Guest, December 30, 2004
Maybe the people in Brazil are caring and compassionate but they've certainly gotten used to the violence and the caos in their society , to the point of apathy and even denial . Most Brazilians don't really consider it their business as long as they're not involved in it (or as long as they profit from it , like police and corrupt politicians). While the majority of inmates in America may be black , you just can't bribe your way out of trouble in America as easy as you can in Brazil . The majority of Brazil's inmates are just poor. Funny too , that comment that says " we're good at sex" . I bet it was written by a guy. Brazilian women are good looking, kind and sexually repressed.It can be great to be a guy in that society but there's much more to good sex in my opinion.
\"Um pais de todos\"
written by Guest, December 30, 2004
Brasil new motto claims it's a Country for all races. Until all it's citizens and government officials accept reponsibility for their racists ways, this is only another motto like "Orden e Progresso" on the national flag ( neither saying are facts in Brasil and many citizens can't even read it. ). Brasil and many other countries, rich and poor alike have a long road ahead; by not providing and educating ALL citizens on the importance of education they loose a great pool of future generation of leaders and educators. Brasileans of all colors and from all regions are strong people with big hearts with a go get it attitude, Prez. Lula is a perfect example. They've so far survived old time slavery but yet not modern day slavery, military government, hyper inflation, corrupt local and federal leaders, unemployment, drug epidemics, crime, drought and extrime poverty to name a few.
We as Brasileans need to take responsibility to teach the childrens well, doesn't matter the color. Yes, there are a few Brasileans of dark color on TV, most of them are in sports, musicians and there is always a maide on the novelas, also one Minister of Culture in the present government but good luck finding a doctor or a lawyer.
Muito obrigado.
These are the facts
written by Guest, December 31, 2004
There is truth in all the above postings. First, I will concede to our American friend, that yes things are much better in the USA. It is a much stronger country, where citizens live in safety and security. In America everyone has a chance at a good education, and to make something of themselves. It is why so many of our fellow Brasilians leave and live in the US. The same is not true here in Brasil. I would also like to say that I have meet many American's here, and find them decent people, I would also say that most American's who come here find Brasilians as one poster says, very warm, and friendly people, who enjoy the company of our foreign friends, I am truly sorry the poster did not experience this. Still, our cultures are very different, we have many things to be ashamed of, and many to be proud of. I am ashamed that the poster acuratly potrayed our violence situation, he is absolutley correct, when he says that we have decided to live with it rather than deal with it, I am ashamed by our in actions in this regard. I am ashamed that our police and government officals are corrupt, yet I am proud of those that are not corrupt who take up arms against the criminals everday, many are killed, and their deaths are reported in the second or third pages of our newspaers, to me, these are heros, low payed young men trying to make a difference. I am ashamed of our poverty, and our inability or unwillingness to educate ALL our children, I am proud of Ze Louis in the story for trying to do something, even something small for his people, our American friend should not critisize his actions, it will take many small deeds like this to truly make a difference. I am ashamed of racism, as one poster points out, black culture IS part of our popular culture, but the things he mentions do not educate blacks, or provide jobs that will bring them into the mainstream, in fact they do the opposite, it is a way of "containing" our black brothers and sisters. Perhaps if Petrobras, TIM, INBEV, and Brahama poured the same amount of money into education than they do for Caranaval, it would make a difference, Carnaval does not make a difference, it just fills the government and commercial accounts, but does nothing for the poor people who lead it. Yes, we have a new black minister of health, Lula's team also has Pele and Gill, but as the poster pointed out, no black doctors, lawyers, and very few professionals. There are many things that I am proud of about Brasil, and I maintain great hope for my country. But we can not deny our probelms are huge, even if pointed out by foreigners.We must accept "Constructive" critisism for what it is, if we do not want the worlds critisims, then perhaps we should work harder to solve our problems. I love Brasil, this is my home, I was born here and I will die here, but if my children decide to leave, I will not try and stop them
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written by Guest, December 31, 2004
I've visited Salvador da Bahia,Brazil a couple of years ago and like a previous poster stated the African presence is so much more dynamic in Brazil than it is in the United States. Heck, I didn't even know what an Orixa was until I visited Bahia and had cowrie shell readings with a mae de santo. Also,there appears to be a lot more Black-On-Black love in Brazil verses the Black-On-Black crime here in the United States. Yes,Brazil does have it's problems but overall it's waaaaaaay better than living in the United States. I have many African American friends who have moved to Bahia after visiting for the first time and there is definitely a magical quality and feel to the whole state of Bahia. I too am planning to move to Bahia in the near future for it was in Bahia that I found out who I was as a descendant of Africa.
Really ?
written by Guest, December 31, 2004
Waaaayyyy better than living in the United States ? Better for who ? You must have enough money not to have to worry about working. Have you ever tried working in Brazil and paying your bills with your Brazilian salary ?
Have you ever had your life threatened because your are using some stupid fancy sunglasses and this kid with a gun in your face wouldn't care if he had to shoot you just to take them from you ?
And if it's so much better to live in Brazil how do you explain the fact that there are THOUSANDS of Brazilians leaving the country , abandoning friends and family just to live in a cold place like Boston and spend their time earning 8 dollars an hour ?
We're absolutely thrilled that you are going to find out who you are as a descendant of Africa , which is completely beyond the point by the way. The topic discussed above is not wether there is an African presence in Brazil , but what possibilities exist for an average black man born and raised in Brazil.The day you make a living as a black man working in Brazil with a trade you learned over there ,you'll be ready to post a significant opinion about that matter.
Lose the attitude
written by Guest, January 01, 2005
Hey Carioca guy: Why insult all white men because of one? Why does a man Brasilian think he is so gostoso?. Funny, my Brasilian wife thought it was all BS. You think a woman wants to listen to only your interests: sex, feutball, party.
Get off the beach and look for a library mulato. Brasilian women may rule the world but you men from Rio are simpletons.
How Much Better Do Black People Have It
written by Guest, January 01, 2005
I'm not blind to the problems of Brazil but I'm not blind to the problems here in America either. I am a 44 year old African American female working for slave wages myself. After working for the government for over 21 years I don't make that much more than $8.00 an hour myself and you say that African Americans have it so much better than Blacks in Brazil. Sure the white elite in Brazil sit in their million dollar mansions and talk about superior Brazilian racial democracy but so does their counterpart here in Brazil. The white American sits in his billion dollar mansion created by slave labor and the minimum wage jobs most African Amercians have in this country have and talk about how "progressive" this country is and how all Americans have equal access to education but have any of them ever been chained to the back of a truck and had their heads ripped off in the good ole United States. White Americans can't tell me diddly about how progressive the United States is and how bad Brazil is because they see the United States from their point of view. White Americans can talk about Brazil and it's problems all they want to but America needs to get their own sh*t together before they criticize Brazil. Our government needs to pay Black Americans their reparations and open up those prison doors like a previous poster says and let 75% of African American out of those toilets. Yeah America is so progressive that's why our government is over in Iraq dropping bombs to get some other countries oil. You white Americans make me sick you never get enough money and wiil kill your own mother to make another dime. Don't blame Brazil because they don't make money their God like white Americans do and have to worry themselves bald and can't have sex because their minds are on making another dime. I will gladly go to Brazil and deal with it's problems than deal with white Americans who don't know what life and living is about. Keep on living in your progressive America because this country is going DOWN. Iraq is going to win this terrorist war and all you racist white crackas will be jumping out of windows in gasoline underwear. How you like that?
Could not have said it better.
written by Guest, January 01, 2005
Come on down sister, you have it the nail on the head. Life here is not about chasing the almight whitey's $$$, it's about friends family, and pride. It's good to see an American sister say it, because I believe that you are an example of how most black American's feel, not the oreo who posted the intial commets.
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written by Guest, January 01, 2005
It's like I said, you really need to spend a year (or less) working in Brazil to understand what minimum wage is , what it means to be really poor. That's what I was trying to say : 8 bucks an hour is MONEY , you are rich compared to the average black Brazilian. You have no idea what it's like. It'll make you run back to the USA immediately and be greatful for what you have. Don't get me wrong though , I encourage you to go , especially when you have such a precise vision about Americas hopeless future.
And I didn't say the American government is making right choices , I'm just talking about what possibilities are available for the average black person in Brazil.
I'm not a white American telling you how progressive your country is.
Go ahead and open those prison doors , great idea. I'm pretty sure 75% of the inmates are innocent (as long as their black). The feeling I get is that racism in America comes from the blacks too.
Thanks For The Compliment!!!
written by Guest, January 01, 2005
Thanks for the comment cause that's the way I feel. White Americans and the United States don't need to be in these third world countries with their capitalist,white supremacist bulls**t. If these thirld world countries want to sit up and make love all day more power to them. It beats sitting around worrying yourself bald and working 24-7 365 days a year to make an extra dime. Some of these white Americans are getting what they deserve too. They've put all of their time and energy making another dime and some of the dot-coms company have gone kaput. This system that the white American has created has now become a noose around his neck and it's got him in it's vise like a boa constrictor. Nah,America don't need to be giving Brazil advice with all of the Viagara and anti-depressants these stressed,overworked,impotent,bald Americans take so that they can continue living in this country where money is God and takes precedence over human beings. If white people hate Brazil more power to them because Brazil doesn't need them. I and a group of my friends are trying to get African Americans to buy up all of the property in Bahia because we want a part of Brazil that is truly African and not peopled with white Americans who will spoil this Brazilian paradise with their capitalist,racist bulls**t propaganda. White Americans do Brazil a favor and please stay out of Brazil - they really don't want you over there and like the Brazilian poster said take Viaga,get your heads out of your butts and make more than money your God. Thank God I have a Brazilian fiance because these American men are cold,materalistic,capitalistic and can't get it up because they are worried about making an extra dime. I can see why a lot of women are into Brazilian men because I'd rather have a man that thinks about sex all the time than one that worships money and never get enough of it. White American men live on these corporate crappy jobs because they are too afraid to have a family life because they may lose another dime. Americans please stay out of Brazil because as overweight,stressed out and impotent as Americans are they don't need to be giving advice to Brazil and Brazil is wise not to take it. Brazilians keep on doing what you're doing - you're beautiful,have lots of hair,are sexy and good lovers. Always be that way and let white Americans chase the almighty dollar and continue jumping out of high-rise buildings in gasoline underwear because all they care about is money,money,money. Americas is a sick country so don't buy into the bulls**t these white devils are preaching. These devils are going to burn up in America because they're going to lose this terrorist war and when Bin Laden drops the big one I'll be making love in Brazil.
Living in Brazil
written by Guest, January 01, 2005
I will be retired when living in Brazil and because I am going to marry a Brazilian I will have some Brazilian citizenship. I'd rather clean backed up toilets in Brazil than to continue living in America with these blue-eyed devils who are going to end up getting everybody in this country killed because they can't stay their butts out of Iraq because they want more money,money,money. I've never been around people such as white Americans who never get enough money. Geez is a trillion dollas enough money for you or will you sacrifice your very soul to make a zillion. America is a sick,corrupt worped country and I basically hate everything about it. African Americans don't have crap in this country especially considering the nearly 500 years we have been living in it. Oh yeah you have a few Aunt Jemimas like Oprah Winfrey who is a billionaire because she is white woman in a Black woman's body but her experiences and money are not the norm for the average Black American. She lives in her ivory tower and continue to do so as long as she keeps letting white folks cry on her shoulder. America can take their capitalist bulls**t and shove it because I'm moving to Brazil. This little bit of bulls**t money African Americans make ain't crap compared to what White Americans make.
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written by Guest, January 01, 2005
It's like I said you guys have absolutely no experience living there. You probably visited or maybe you have a Brazilian friend and you love talking s**t about your country while you live in it.
Maybe be should go by statistics ? How many Brazilians left heir country to live in the USA , compared to how many Americans left the USA to live in Brazil ? What's the ratio ? 1000 Brazilians prefer to leave for each American that prefers to leave ? Oh , one more thing : If it was easier for Brazilians to get a visa and come and live in the US , this place would be completely filled and overcrowded with Brazilians. Maybe that would make you happy ? Funny too , how you can generalise the white man and just call him a white devil , and put everyone in this category. You're a racist here and you'll be racist in Brazil too. Do me a favor and you stay out of Brazil. Just because the property is cheap (and you can afford it with your American dollars), doesn't mean they need you over there. What exactly is your contribution to Brazilian society ?
Mind Your Own Business!!
written by Guest, January 01, 2005
Mind your own business. America is for white people. I don't know about how many Brazilians come to the U.S. but I saw a hell of a lot of white Americans in Brazil who had gotten tired of the capitalist,racist,white supremacist bulls**t that this country is about. White people have created this system and not the system is turning around and kicking them in the butt so they don't need to be advising Brazil on diddly. When America can get it's bulls**t together than they can give advice to others. Also,look at your statistics and you will see that most Viagara and anti-depressants are prescribed for Americans moreso than other countries. White Americans can tell me what the fug they want to about this fugging country and I'm not buying it. My butt will sit in Brazil and whites can stay the fug out of Brazil since they hate Brazil so much with all of the n****rs that they have other there.
Reasons Why Brazilians Move to America
written by Guest, January 01, 2005
Because of unfair white supremacist bulls**t. Everybody knows that the blue-eyed devil has been raping and plundering third world countries for years so residents of those countries have to come to this country to make a living. The white man does not play fair because money is his God and might makes right. I doubt if Brazilians want to come to this country to look at ugly,fat,impotent,unhappy,money-grubbing Americans.
There is no white Brasil
written by Guest, January 01, 2005
The culture is based on black culture, and even Brasilans who look white have African blood, most people recoginze this. We need black American's to imigrate here, we need educated African American's, of people of African heritage from anywhere for that matter, it will help Brasil into the mainstream. So all black American's especially strong black females who want to make a difference, in a country founded on your culture, by all means, leave the US oppresion we have a place for you...I am a white "looking" Brasilan.
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written by Guest, January 01, 2005
That's what I mean , you don't know how many. But anyone who's lived in both countries (and had to stand in line to get a visa at the American embassy in Brazil) knows that you can't even compate the numbers of Brazilians who'd love to come and live over here.
I'm sure your numbers about anti depressants and viagra are correct though and I'm sure it has to do with Americans being overworked. Yes , because it takes a lot of work to maintain a nation where you can rely on police , the economy , etc , you know ? And I got some news for you too. Brazil is for white people at least as much as America is (I'd say more though). Black people are all over Bahia , that is true , but they don't have nearly as many chances to have a decent life as they'd have in the US. If you couldn't make it in America , good luck making it in Brazil. But yeah , you'll be cool over there for a while . You'll be the cool guy with money in the middle of thousands of poor blacks, untill you run out of American dollars. I just don't think that "your butt sitting over there" will help make anything better , for Brazil , for the fight against racism or for America.
Guest is right
written by Guest, January 01, 2005
Guest above is right. I can´t count how many Gringos I´ve met in Brasil who came because of spun up stories from Brasilians, or just plain ignorance, believing that they´ve moved to some sort of Shang ra la, and then all of a sudden WHAMO - they´ve been brained by a big bat of Brasilian reality. s**t wages, high crime, corruption, even FAMILY in brasil will f**k you over for a few bucks.

These idiots above posting nonesense are in for a rude awakening when they arrive in Brasil. And yes that WHITE Blue EYed Devil calls the shots here too. Dumb Mofos..
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written by Guest, January 01, 2005
Brazil like the rest of the world is dominated by the US. American has bullied the world with her military and economic policies. Why do immigrants risk their lives to come to America? Because America has made it impossible to make a fair living in their country of origin.

Huge American multi-nationals buy large tracts of land all over the world displacing people and forcing them to immigrate to America or Europe. This has been going on ever since the white man has dominated the world for the past 600 years. Similar complaints of nonwhite immigration are heard from European whites. Europe and America has taken trillions of dollars of wealth from third world countries via slavery, colonialism and unfair trade agreements so where do they expect the people to go?

Why do you think the Iraqis are fighting so hard to get America out of their country? They do not want to be another statistic. They know that if they don't fight they will be slaves in their country forced to stand by while America pumps billions of dollars of oil out of their country.

President Lula himself stated that no country can get a fair trade agreement with the US. The US wants to keep every nonwhite country poor so that they can continue to exploit their poverty. President Aristide of Haiti was ousted by the CIA simply because he was building too many schools in Haiti and preparing to crack down on sweatshop operations. He was tired of the Haitian people being pimped by the US govt.

And as for black people in America being financially better off than their Brazilian counterparts. Not really. They are not significantly better off. Most African Americans still dominate the bottom of the economic ladder, that is if they are even able to get on it in the first place.

Prisons in America are just another money making institution that has nothing to do with rehabilitation or even incarcerating true criminals. Look at all of the crimes committed by the US govt everyday.

If Brazil, along with every other so-called third world country cannot afford to pay most of their citizens fair wages it's because of the unfair trade agreements created by the US that are designed to keep America the winner and every other country (except Western Europe and now China and Japan) the losers. Most presidents of other countries can barely afford to feed their own families much less their entire countries thanks to cruel callous economic policies designed by the US

Stay home
written by Guest, January 01, 2005
I'm an American who moved to Rio three years ago. I have a succesful business representing American and European companies, here and other Latin American countries. My kids attend the best schools here in Brasil, have one at Boston University. Boat and house in Angra, house in Cabo Frio, I can travel anywhere I want, whenever I want, and we enjoy a great life here in Brasil, and have a zillion friends and things to do. So stay your asses up there pumping gas, or cutting the whiteman's grass, that's fine with us here. While your kids a wearing dreads, listening to crap on the radio and smokin crap and creating "popular culture", mine will be here getting richer and richer. Perhaps you will all get lucky, and Jackson or Sharpton will get elected, even those two morans can do a better job than the piece of s**t in the White House now.
There Is No White In Brazil
written by Guest, January 01, 2005
This African American woman is coming over to Bahia,Brazil and with thousands more. Open up your eyes and you will see that there will be an influx of African American women ages 25-55 coming to Bahia on planes that will now fly direct from Miami to Bahia. Mr.Clarence Smith,the founder of Essence Magazine together with a Mr.Nascimento an Afro-Brazilian is trying to establish business and cultural opportunities between African Americans and Afro-Brazilians. We're about to do this!!! Let the naysayers who try to down Brazil keep doing it but there's a movement of African Americans who are about to start flooding Bahia like you wouldn't believe - educators,entertainers,computer operators,I'm talking big money African Americans. People can say what they will about Brazil and it's problems but there's still a LARGE sector of African Americans who choose to call Bahia home. I really don't listen to what White Americans say because years of dealing with them has taught me that they're never going to admit to any wrongdoing on their part. When the ball is batted into their court and they have to answer for the wrongdoings against third world countries they go ballistic and start going into denial. Keep playing games but the joke will be on you. My boyfriend is a so-called white Brazilian. His father is Italian-Portuguese and his is AFrican. He is very connected to his African roots and is helping me with my Portuguese. Like most Brazilian men he is beautiful,sexy and warm-hearted. I don't know what Brazil's people do to stay so beautiful but they need to keep doing it and tune the sick United States out.
Response to Stay Home
written by Guest, January 01, 2005
Preach the message. These posters sitting here talking s**t and trying to down Brazil are a lie and a fly. Brazil is still better than the United States I don't care what anybody says. The naysayers can keep doing like you said "pumping gas and cutting the white man's grass" but thank God there are people like yourself who have consciousness and who can see the light. Let these dumb blind sheep keep on living in America and getting poorer and poorer. Maybe a pair of gasoline underwear and jumping out of a high-rise building will open their eyes to the truth about America and it's capitalistic bull.
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written by Guest, January 01, 2005
To the two posts above , just make sure you keep making American dollars to live in Brazil and you'll be OK. And make sure you don't go around in Rio showing off your money like you do here on this website because you'll be robbed at gun point in a second and your kids will be kidnapped.
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written by Guest, January 01, 2005
Go to Brazil ! You will become rich , I guarantee you ! If you live in the US and you're going to Brazil , things can only get better ! It's aproven fact too. In fact , anywhere is better than living in the US , for real !!
More clear
written by Guest, January 01, 2005
Ahh. now I get it, the problem is that our American friend is not educated enough to understand economic principals, and is only able to think of himself not society. Yes, it is good that a couple of posters are comfortable living in Brasil by making American dollars, and we hope many more areand come in the future, because when these dollars are spent in Brasil it helps creat emore jobs and opportunites. We need more dollars spent here, so I hope you both can make zillons, and keep spending them here. This poster, who knows so little does not have the mental capacity, or vision to help himself, he is a slave to his CORUPT govenrment. Nor does he have the ballas to create something for himself. It's cool if you hate Brasil, we really don't give a s**t. Those who understand jeito know, we will always find a way to live our lives, without being with holden to the master, as you will be until the day you die, unfortunatly, so will your children.
That\'s right !
written by Guest, January 01, 2005
I think us Brazilians should consider selling part of the Amazon to American corporations. Better yet , we should trade land for i-pods and dvd players. After all , we're not going to benefit from land in the Amazon in our generation , are we ? But if we get a DVD player today , we can be watching American movies tonight. Bingo !! Here's some smart principal !
Sorry Bro. I don\'t get it
written by Guest, January 01, 2005
What benefit? We have f**ked the Amazon up beyond recovery, not America. The are actually trying to help us manage it better. And we did it so a few families can get rich by exporting soya and beef to not only the US but Europe, China, India and Russia, by clear cutting the forest and while our people starve. Yes we have done stupid deals especially mining deals with foreign companies. But iy is the Brasilan farmers and mining companies who still employees slaves and vigilanty murderers, not the foreign companies. I will burn my Japanese DVD, and toss my American movies, if you quit blaming America for our all of our woes, we are responsible for our actions and our countries actions, and frankly, we have f**ked it up pretty damn good.
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written by Guest, January 01, 2005
We're not responsible for our actions. It's the Americans fault. Read the posts above and you'll see that they started this whole argument by talking about the woman that got run over , etc , it's not my fault she got run over , you know ? Other posts have also shown that we only emigrate to America because the Americans have made it impossible for us to live here by imposing their trade laws on us, didn't you read that ? We're not even racists , they are. Everyone is equal in Brazil , read the posts above and you'll see that there's not even a really white race in Brazil.We truly love each other no matter what race or social status. Living in Brazil is better than living in America , even the Americans agree with that. Most of Brazils population lives just like that American guy , with beach houses & boats , that's very normal to any hard working Brazilian. Shame on whoever is trying to give us a bad image. We're about friends and family , helping people and having great sex all the time, worrying is not our past time , that's why we don't even need antidepressants.
Now , before you toss that dvd player and movies , why don't you give them to me ? I don't want your money , I just want to be cool !
Above poster
written by Guest, January 02, 2005
I apoligize, you are 100% right. I lve Brasil, and would never consider leaving. Thanks for your persepective, the gringos will never understand. That's OK...we do.
STOP I NEED HELP
written by Guest, January 02, 2005
Happy New Year Everybody. It is easy to talk and talk. I am a Brazilian with Canadian Citizenship and I am willing to work for $8 dollars hour in a Pharmaceutical Company in New Jersey. . I can work in the USA under TN 1 visa, which can be obtained in a matter of days, does not require proof that a qualified U.S. individual is not available to fill the job (labour certification) and may be renewed indefinitely.
My Education and Qualification are as follow:
EDUCATION AND TRAINING

• Pharmaceutical R&D Technology Post Diploma 2003 - 2004
Toronto Institute of Pharmaceutical Technology – Canada
• Industrial Pharmaceutical Technology Post Diploma 2001 - 2002
Faculty of Technology, Seneca College, Toronto
• Chemical Technology Diploma 1998 - 2001
Faculty of Technology, Seneca College, Toronto
• PhD in Science, Biochemistry Program 1988 - 1993
Centre Polytechnique, Parana University, Brazil
• B.S. in Pharmacy 1983 - 1986
University of Santa Catarina, Brazil.

WORKING EXPERIENCE

• Part Time Researcher, Division of Infection, Immunity, Injury & Repair, The Hospital for Sick Children, Depart. of Lab Medicine and Biochemistry. Summer 2004
• Analytical Chemist, Impopharma Inc., Concord, Ontario. 2003
• Teaching Assistant, Science and Physics Department,
Danfort Collegiate and Technical Institute. Toronto, Ontario 2001
• Research Assistant, Chemistry Department, York University, Toronto, Ontario 1997
• Researcher, Medical Bio-Chemistry Department, University of Rio de Janeiro. 1996
• Researcher, Chemistry Department, University of Mato Grosso do Sul, Brazil. 1996
• Head Biochemistry Dept.; Laboratory Ingrid Bergman, Curitiba, Parana, Brazil 1995
• Researcher, University of Wisconsin-Madison, W.I, U.S.A 1994-1995
• Researcher, University of Kentucky, Lexington, KY, U.S.A 1993-1994
• Researcher, Federal University of Parana, Curitiba, Brazil 1993
• Lab Technician, Uruguaiana Public Hospital, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil 1986-1987
• Lab Technician, Univ. Hospital, Federal University of Santa Catarina, Brazil. 1983-1986
• Lab Technician, Laboratory Medical Santa Luzia, Santa Catarina, Brazil 1983-1984
• Corporal Medical Assistant, Military Service, 3rd Army, Uruguaiana – Brazil 1981


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Thanks for any help.

Antonio
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written by Guest, January 02, 2005
It's ok that the gringos don't understand , they don't live here (or maybe they do like that one that lives in his buble created by the American/European structure, while 80% of the Brazilian population doesn't even have enough to eat, in the favelas right next to him). But most of the gringos will watch a movie like City of God and think that it's pure fiction. Now we Brazilians watch that movie and act like it's pure fiction , while we know it's not. And that's worse. The first step towards change in Brazil will begin when Brazilians finally aknowledge that there's a BIG problem in our country. If we're not able to even do that, then things will really never change , like poster # two said : We're doomed to be a third world nation forever. By looking at the new generations of Brazilians you seriously have to ask yourself where this is going. The 10% of the population that is really filthy rich never works , they're just concerned about getting nice house,boats,imported cars,dvd players .etc. And the other 90% barely get a chance at education so there's not much they can do. The situation in Brazil is a scandal right now and the numbers need to be out in the public , so eveyone can see. I read somewhere that crime in Brazil kills as many people as the war in Iraq, and I believe it. And things will never change if you keep preaching a message about the lavish lifestyle of the 10% minority. Give me a break ! Now go back to your bulletproof car and your house guarded by watch dogs and armed security and enjoy your caviar locked inside your living room. Aren't you cool ? Just don't take it personal if you get shot outside , OK ? There's other people out there besides you and their situation is a disaster. And it's not just a few , it is 90% of the population.
Purveyor of young fleshy girls
written by Guest, January 02, 2005
Now if you can train them to swallow cum instead of spitting it, you might just be on to something there.
Imitation Americans
written by Guest, January 02, 2005
The major problem I see with Brazil is that some white Brazilians in southern Brazil want to secede from Brazil and have their own country away from the blacks and browns of the Northeast. They want their own little blonde blue-eyed paradise away from nonwhite Brazilians. They are still trying to be some fake white American clones. They want to sever all ties with Brazilians who do not look like Xuxa clones.

They will destroy the beauty of Brazil. The Brazilian people are unique in the world. People come from America and Europe to gaze upon the beautiful black, tawny and tan Brazilian people. They don't want to come to Brazil and see some fake white people.

I am a black American and we flock to Salvador to be among African culture that is lacking in the states and to be among our beautiful brothers and sisters in Bahia. If Brazil lets the white Brazilians have their way Brazil will be just another second rate fake America with all of the huge racial and economic problems. Black Americans stand in solidarity with our brothers and sisters in Brazil because we know the tactics that are being used to destroy the nonwhite Brazilians cause they are the same ones being used against us.

Stay beautiful Brazil and don't let yourselves become a second rate fake White America.

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written by Guest, January 02, 2005
What happened purveyor ? Did I somehow upset you with a little bit of reality ? Or maybe your woman isn't giving you head at all ?
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written by Guest, January 02, 2005
Imitation Americans : I'm sorry if we don't have the exact saituation for you but apparently it's much worse where you come from. I don't think the beauty of Brazil will be destroyed by what you mentioned but if you have any suggestions to put more food on our table (which is a little more important right now) , we will appreciate them. May I suggest Africa if you're interested in African culture. Most Americans I saw that liked Brazil only came here in search of love(sex).
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written by Guest, January 02, 2005
Exactly ! Imitation Americans goes to Brazil to get laid. He heard there is easy sex in Brazil and goes to the south in the hopes of getting laid by a girl that looks like Giselle Bundchen (she's from the south originally) , but he gets none over there. I feel so sorry for you. Is reality about Brazil setting in yet ?
The best part is where he mentions that he wants to be amongst his beautiful "brothers and sisters" in Brazil. Why don't you hang out with your beautiful brothers and sisters in America ? We're just friendly and have good manners , despite the incredible low level of education we have to face. Now , because our skin tone looks the same you thik that this alone will make you my brother ?
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written by Guest, January 02, 2005
For all of you negative nay-sayers that sound like you are apparently from Brazil didn't you read my post where I said that there will be a large influx of African Amercians who will be coming to Salvador to enrich Afro-Brazilians financially while the Brazilians enrich us culturally? Didn't you read the article in Brazzil magazine that states that there will be a huge partnership between the founder of Essence Magazine Mr.Clarence Smith and Afro-Brazilian entrepreneur, Mr.Nascimento to start business and cultural tours for African Americans so that they can start investing in Salvador's Afro-Brazilian population?? Us,African Amerians are trying to help our poorer Afro-Brazilian brothers and sisters put "food on your table" but it will take time and the raising of vision and consciousness amongst African Americans that Salvador is a place that will be culturally and financially viable for Blacks in both Americans.No,these changes will not happen overnight and I'm not here to argue the United States verses Brazil. I have done my homework in researching Salvador and am at peace with my decision to make Salvador my home. I've made my decision and can live with it. I find Salvador,Bahia to be an incredible and beautiful place and I am happy that I have given myself the opportunity to travel there in Salvador in 2002. The African culture is very much alive and dynamic in Salvador,Bahia versus the United States and the presence of the ancestors is very powerful in Bahia as well. My friend's dad, a retired African American educator is now living in Bahia and is very much involved in Stephen Biko University and there are other African Americans who want to make Bahia their home and invest there as well. Maybe having the same skin doesn't make you and I brothers but I have met a lot of Afro-Brazilians in Salvador who did consider me their "sister" and welcomed,loved and embraced me. Ache!!
Apples & Oranges
written by Guest, January 02, 2005
It's pure nonesense to compare one country with the other. It's OK to admit that we would enjoy having the things Americans take for granite, like one poster says, food on the table, a GOOD education for our children, and a government who provides a social climate were there is enough to eat and good health care for even the disadvantged. Here, you are born on your own, one poster blames the US for taking advantage of third world poverty for their own advantage, this can not be denied. But another poster points out the true "evil", our rich elite who will stay in their locked down worlds of riches and come out only to catch the helicopter or Cessna to Angra. These riches are handed down from generation to generation, and are ill gotten by offshore accounts, money laundring, and the raping of our country. Did you know the middle class in our country is a family that makes R$ 5000 and month? Do the math, the dollar conversion. And then these are the people who give up another 50% in well hidden taxes! How about our banks, these are the societies that prey on us, with fees for service and high interest rates. Unless you are one of the Unibanco VIP Class, you are treated like dog s**t, not by America. Our current so called "leftist" government has been intoxicated by the power and become a memeber of the elite, and wishes to do so for another 4 years, as Mr. Lula, has forgotten us to campain for an election that is 2 years away! So what can be done...nothing, keeping us in a perception of "happiness" by giving us cheap beer, drugs, samba and soap opreas, prevents the masses from revolting. One poster says we are "optimistic" I argue we are without hope. And to the Black American wishing to immigrate to Bahia and create an African shagrila...it's never going to happen. Those who live here know this, you can dream all you want, but unless you have the power, the connections, the avenue, which Black's will never have in Brasil, yes, even uppity, revolutionary American blacks, your "plan" is going nowhere. So go ahead and start building your own idenity here, the same thing will happen to you that happened to Sem Terra in the interior, you will be met by well armed men in hoods, who will sho0t you...and your children. This is the reality in Brasil...does it sound familiar...ask your grandmother or grandfather, they probably remember. It's called racism, and Brasil is one of the most racist country's in the modern world. And if you are so interested in seeing whitemen in gasoline underwear, then wait until you try and create your own nation here, you will find your people buried in shallow graves, or thrown in with with the buring tires. If you feel that I am exagarting, I would advise you to have a return ticket, and haul ass to the airport when the van full of masked men arrives to introduce themselves.
Choose to Make Salvador da Bahia,Brazil
written by Guest, January 02, 2005
I am not going to sit here and argue the point about which country is better Brazil or the United States because I've done my homework and in my opinion, I still choose to make Salvador da Bahia,Brazil my hone. I'm not saying that Bahia is the answer for EVERY Black person but it is for me. I have made peace with my decision to make Salvador,Bahia my home and if I have to face masked men in a van or be buried in a shallow grave than so be it.I prefer the above than to continue living in the United States and being a slave to a white,corrupt government. Yemanja be praised that I gave myself the opportunity to travel to Bahia and it has made me a "bigger" person. I will always have good memories of my trip to Bahia because Brazil is a beautiful and incredible country and the atmosphere is always alive in Brazil. Love is in the air - anyone can feel it.
Neither is America
written by Guest, January 02, 2005
Many Brazilian people tend to believe that America is an economic shangri-la. Well let me snatch those blinders off. As a black American I know that Bahia is no racial paradise or problem free Nirvana. I am well aware of that but let's look at the flip side of the coin.

There are many black Americans struggling to put food on their tables also and walking the streets of America's largest cities with blankets over their heads because they cannot afford a place to live. You see America will hire anybody, even an illegal alien, before they hire a black person. Every ethnic and racial group has a prosperous economic center but black Americans. There are a few black businesses, but just a few.

Many Brazilians act like money grows on trees in America and that the streets are paved with gold. Well they are if you are a white Brazilian or do not appear to have any black ancestry. Illegal immigrants pour into America every day and are welcomed with open arms because the white employer would rather hire anything, even a dead rat, than a black American. I have white Brazilian friends who are MUCH better off than I am and some of them are here illegally yet because they are white they can enjoy the economic benefits few black Americans can.

Like previous posters have mentioned, Salvador has a beauty and charm America does not have. Most of us are well aware of the poverty and racism black brazilians experience but if they believe that America is an economic haven they are sadly mistaken. If you are not one of the few blacks who can make money off of sports prowess or entertainment you will be up sh'ts creek. You will have to compete in a racist job market where a white retarded person will take precedence over you in the hiring policy. If you are a black male prepare yourself to be arrested by a crooked cop where you will spend most of your youth locked up in a prison being raped by prison guards and other inmates. Yes you will be a part of the largest prison population in the entire world. Everybody knows about America's racist prison system hell bent on destroying the lives of black men. Even black athletes and entertainers aren't immune from being locked up or having to pay out big bucks every time a white female claims they raped them.

Yes we black Americans know that Brazil is not a racial democracy or a haven from racism for us but neither is America. At least in Brazil you have far more black folks who can absorb the kick in the collective black ass of racist white supremacy.

Yes some of us are blinded by the brilliant smiles, the sunshine and the beaches of Brazil but far too many Brazilians are blinded by the myths of fools gold in America and diamond studded streets where everyone lives in a 50 room mansion and drives 40 cars - well you do if you are WHITE.
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written by Guest, January 02, 2005
How many times do I have to tell you ? Love doesn't pay the bills , our government is as corrupt as yours and without the American dollar Brazil's not a place for you. You continue to as small minded and naive as you were before, Yemanja is totally overworked with you. You can say wathever you want about your low wages in America but it's obvious you have way too much time and money in your hands to focus your attention on some utopia in Bahia.
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written by Guest, January 02, 2005
I assume that you are a "white" Brazilian because obviously YOU are the one who has no ideal what it's like to be an African American living in America. I am disgusted with you and your small mind. Ifyou feel that America is such a nice place than bring your ass over here to the United States since you seem to love it so much. I hope for your sake that you are a "white" Brazilian and have been to America so that you can back up your claims about America being such a nice place to live and love paying the bills. Can't you read dammit? Don't you hear these posters on here talking about the Black men that are incarcerated in prison? Obviously love doesn't pay the damn bills or most Black men wouldn't be reduced to having to pay their bills by becoming involved in illegal criminal activity. You're right I do have too much time and money on my hands so why don't you give me your name and address and I will personally pay your way to America since you seem to love it so much. Tell me where to wire the money and I will see to it personally that you receive a one way ticket to the land of dreams,opportunities and job that helps put "food on the table".
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written by Guest, January 02, 2005
As previous posters have stated I hope some of you Brazilians who are complaining about Brazil and it's low wages and evils have ACTUALLY been to America. You keep comparing the wage levels in Brazil against America. So what if Americans generally make higher wages than Brazilians those wages are still low compared to what is needed to make it in America.

As a previous poster stated if you are a "white"Brazilian you will definitely experience the wealth of America even if you come here illegally. American employers would rather hire you over a black American who has been here for centuries. If you are a black Brazilian well I hope you bring a blanket with you because you will have to join the growing numbers of black Americans walking the streets of America's cities homeless because the govt and white employers would rather hire anybody but a black person.

If you look Haitian prepared to be rounded up and sent to Haiti by racist customs agents who do not want anymore blacks in America and are doing their best to get rid of the ones they already have here by starving them out or blowing their heads off with a policeman's bullet.
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written by Guest, January 02, 2005
I don't need to know what it's like to be a black American in America because I know what it's like to be a black in Brazil (America can't be worse , pure and simple). You are the one who doesn't know what it's like to be a black in Brazil and that's what we're talking about. Oh yes , there's not a single black man incarcerated in BraziI . By the way , you've no idea what a Brazilian jail is like, just watch that Brazilian movie Carandiru to get an idea. I assure you I can back up my claims . And I worry about you. I'm gonna do a little ritual over here with a black chicken and pray for you. If you want , send me a mailing address and I'll send you the chicken and the candles.
But seriously , I actually admire your faith in Brazil and I sincerely wish you good luck with your project. You're not a bad intentioned American ,I just think you're a little infatuated with Brazil's romanticism and it's understandable because most Americans have a total lack of passion. Just go to Brazil , with an open mind , little expectations and a return ticket. Good luck !
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written by Guest, January 02, 2005
One more thing , I have black Brazilian friends who came from a very low income home, and now live in America doing well for themselves. That's a fact (even though they had to do hard labor jobs in the beginning). So far (in over 10 years living in the US) , they've only considered Brazil as a place to go and visit their families.
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written by Guest, January 02, 2005
I'm not here to argue which is better being Black in America or being Black in Brazil. We African Americans don't want Black Brazilians to think that it is easier to be Black in America or that we don't work for low wages ourselves. America is a capitalistic society so you have to have your ish together over here especially if you're an African American because the cost of living especially where I live in California is sky-high. How do you think African Americans feel living in the wealthiest country in the world and having access to none of that wealth? Black Brazilians will soon find out once coming to America that they will be no better off financially than they are in Brazil. My stepfather has a PHd in chemistry and a great command of the English language yet he still found it difficult to find employment that would hire him and enable him to fully utilize all of his training and skills. The stress of being the only Black man in a totally white environment took such a toll on his body that he developed cancer and had to have radiation to remove it from his body. He is still suffering from the aftereffects of radiation treatments and spends his retirement in the hospitals. Are Black Brazilians aware of the high stress level,hypertension,high blood pressure,breast and prostrate cancer,drug addiction,suicide and depression that plagues the Black community here in America. When I travelled to Bahia I travelled with eleven other African Americans including my sister. We were thrilled with the black-on-black love that